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Before setting his house ablaze and killing himself and his two young sons, Josh Powell left a voicemail for family members saying he couldn't live without the boys and didn't want to go on anymore.
ABC News obtained what it says was a voicemail Powell left for his family members. In the recording played Tuesday on "Good Morning America," Powell also said he was calling to say goodbye and apologize.
“Hello, this is Josh. And I’m calling to say goodbye,” a shaking voice on the voicemail said. "I am not able to live without my sons, and I'm not able to go on anymore. I'm sorry to everyone I've hurt. Goodbye.”
The message was left 20 minutes before Powell killed himself and his boys, ABC reported.
But the double murder-suicide appeared to be in the works for longer than just those 20 minutes. In the days leading up to the fire, Powell had been donating his sons' books and toys, according to ABC.
The investigation and autopsy reports released late Monday show the acts of a violent man who meticulously planned his actions, culminating Sunday in Powell setting his house ablaze and taking a hatchet to his children's necks.
As authorities work to determine exactly why Powell committed the murders, investigators said they're no closer to answering the question they've had for two years.
"We still haven't identified or found where Susan Powell is," said West Valley, Utah, Police Chief Buzz Nielsen, who is in charge of the investigation into the young mother's disappearance.
For now, even with the longtime "person of interest" in the probe dead, police say the case remains open, though some mysteries may never be solved.
Just days before the horrific murder-suicide, in a motion seeking custody of his children filed with a Washington state court, Powell said he missed his wife, and would remain strong for the boys.
The sons of missing mom Susan Powell suffered neck and head injuries at the hands of their father, Josh Powell, before dying in the house he set on fire. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.
"A lesser person would fall under the intense scrutiny I am facing, but apparently my inherent resilience as a person makes it increasingly difficult for them to pursue their agendas," Powell wrote. "I am standing tall for my sons, but it deeply hurts to face such ridicule and abuse.
"I know my own heart is free of any guilt regardless of what people claim," he added.
Things changed dramatically when the judge ruled against him, ordering the children to remain with Susan Powell's parents for now.
On Sunday, Powell's boys came for a routine supervised visit. They ran ahead, the social worker falling behind. Powell then locked the door, used a hatchet on his kids, and lit the house on fire.
Ultimately, Powell and both boys died of smoke inhalation, Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office investigator Melissa Baker said Monday evening.
But they also suffered "chop injuries" that contributed to their deaths — 7-year-old Charles was struck on his neck and 5-year-old Braden had injuries to both his head and neck, Baker said.
Related: Officials: Powell children had head and neck wounds
Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said investigators found a hatchet that they believe was used on the boys.
"We recovered a hatchet — a small ax," he said. "It was right there with" the bodies.
Authorities also said Powell had made thorough plans well ahead of the murders.
"This was definitely a deliberate, planned-out event," Troyer said.
Powell had painted himself as a tortured man, ridiculed without reason in the disappearance of his wife, steadfastly insisting he was innocent until the end, authorities and family members said.
Susan Powell's parents, the boys' grandparents, had had custody of the kids before their death. They told NBC's TODAY Show on Tuesday that Powell felt "cornered."
"We felt [the boys] were safe as long as they were with us, but we were concerned about the visitation," Chuck Cox told NBC's Ann Curry. "We knew if he was cornered and felt like there was no way out, he was capable of this. We had made that known to police and all the law enforcement involved. They were aware of our concerns."
Added Judy Cox, "He didn't like us and he just wanted to get the kids away from us so much. And it really bothered him that the boys were showing so much affection to Chuck."
Authorities recovered two 5-gallon cans of gasoline inside the rented Washington home. Gasoline from one 5-gallon can was spread throughout the house and used as an accelerant in the huge blaze. The other can was found by the three bodies, Troyer said.
He said minutes before the fire, Powell sent emails to several people, including his lawyer, saying, "I'm sorry. Goodbye." To others, including his cousins and pastor, he sent longer emails, with instructions on where to find his money and how to shut off his utilities. In at least one email, he wrote that he couldn't live without his boys, Troyer said.
But, he said, "There's no indication about Susan in anything that we've found so far."
Nielsen said detectives want to question Powell's father, Steve Powell, about Susan's disappearance. He described Steve Powell as another "person of interest" but noted the elder Powell is "not in our sights" in terms of any potentially imminent arrest.
Steve Powell has been in jail on voyeurism and child porn charges since last fall after authorities found explicit images on his computers during a search of his home in the case of his missing daughter-in-law.
After his arrest, the state turned the boys over to Chuck and Judy Cox.
Steve Powell claimed on national television last year to have had a flirtatious or even sexual relationship with Susan — something her family has adamantly denied.
Josh Powell's account of the night his wife disappeared
Josh Powell claimed that the night his wife vanished in December 2009, he took the boys from their West Valley City home, about 10 miles outside Salt Lake City, on a midnight camping trip in freezing temperatures — a story her parents never believed. Authorities searched the area in the central Utah desert but came up empty.
Less than a month after the disappearance, Josh Powell moved the boys to his father's home in Puyallup, south of Seattle.
Sunday's tragedy left the Coxes devastated. They spoke to reporters Monday to give a glimpse of the lives the boys led.
They said the boys played happily and didn't want to visit their father when the time came for their weekly Sunday visit.
“They were having a good time and didn’t want to stop and see daddy,” Chuck Cox told KIRO TV in Seattle. “They seemed to be losing interest in going to see him. They liked it here.”
But Judy Cox said she talked them into going — and she now regrets it.
Chuck Cox said he didn't necessarily think there was any more the court could have done legally to protect his grandchildren. However, he said he didn't like that there was only one supervisor during their visits with their father.
"We suspected that if he had the boys in his control, with him, and he felt the police were closing in, he was capable (of hurting them)," Cox said. "We didn't like that there was only one supervisor. Frankly, she couldn't have stopped him if he wanted to do something."
The boys were emotionally distant when they first arrived at their grandparents' home, Charles Cox said, but recently they had become warmer. And that gave the grandparents hope that maybe someday they would be able to relate what happened to their mother.
"They were like little robots. If you asked them about mommy, they would run away," he said. But "in the last week, I could not sit down without them climbing up on my lap."
Chuck Cox said that the summer after his daughter disappeared, Braden drew a picture at day care of a van with three people in it, and told caregivers who asked him about it that it was a picture of his family going camping: "Mommy's in the trunk," the boy reportedly said.
On Tuesday, the Coxes, showing little emotion as they spoke of their deceased daughter and grandkids, told The TODAY Show, their faith was helping them to get through this.
"We know where our daughter is. We know she is not here on this earth ... and that she is safe, and we know that the boys are now back with their mother, and that gives us a lot of strength."
Nielsen said Utah authorities would continue with their investigation, and hoped to make an arrest in the Susan Powell case this year.
"On a criminal case of this nature, you've got one shot. You've got to make sure everything is done right," Nielsen said. "Our case is not closed."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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If there is a hell, this guy belongs in it, the evil sonofabitch. If he wanted to end his own life, why take the little boys with him? I think he wanted to punish the in-laws. Pure evil.
You just have to wonder if there was some way that those kids could have been saved.
Derek - I dont know, because I suppose he just as easily could have poured gasoline all over the inlaws house in the wee hours of the morning, and burned the kids and the grandparents up if he really wanted to.
I mean, he managed to kill and dispose of his wife, and no one has been able to find her or pin it on him.
I suspect this nutcase was capable of doing anything horrendous he put his mind too.
It's times like this, I wish we could put his parents in prison for raising such a rotten POS.
IMO, apples rarely fall far from the tree.
The only way they could have saved those children would have been to make the visitation at the local police station or children's services building. Not sure why, with the suspicion the police had regarding the father, the fact that the judge ordered him to go through psycho-sexual evaluations, the warnings that the mother's parents gave police, and the things the grandfather was accused of, that children's services would have allowed in-home visits, even with supervision.
Those two little boys were so beautiful. It is gut wrenching that they are gone, that it was done in such a hideous manner and by the hand of the very person who should have given his own life to protect them.
The social worker was spared thankfully but now she will have to live with this grief. Derek, I'm sure this poor woman will wonder for the rest of her life.
What turns human beings into heinous monsters???
This horrible situation brings back memories of the Ethan Stacy case. The trial should be coming up this spring.
I was really hoping that these children didn't suffer before they went. But, this just breaks my heart a lot more knowing that these kids last moments on earth, they had to see their fathers last act of betrayal..... These boys are with their mother now, and I know she is watching over them...
This Insane man will go down as a horrific monster in history............
Jessica, I'm not referring to the grandparents 'knowing he was capable of doing this.' Really, even if they were, exactly what could they have done?
But I think these cases demand attention, and to just chalk it up to a percentage of our society is fine for hindsight only. There need to be solutions going forward, and people should work on them.
You have no evidence that shows that the Grandmother was the reason the kids didn't want to visit their father. You are only making assumptions. And, you know what happens when you make assumptions?
Your anger towards women is loud and clear, and you sound just as dangerous as Powell. He chopped his kids with an axe and set them on fire - that is the TRUTH - and you go out of your way to blame the grandmother for what this man did? Are you defending the actions of a murderer?
See, this is why any testimony to a person's character should be considered very carefully. How many times have you heard, " I knew he/she could do this." Betting authorities were warned of his instability several times. Guilty until proven innocent might be the way to go.
you are ass hole frisky frauline you dont have any brains god gave a jack ass
Well, one thing for sure: Frisky Frauline hates women and I do not believe HE is a female (maybe he just wants to be, I don't know).
@Frisky Frauline - you're idiot... maybe statistically women are more likely to kill their children but that's only because they are statistically more likely to be the ones taking care of them! Men as a whole wouldn't get so much of a bad wrap if they actually did step up more for their own children... and besides that entire argument is moot - NOTHING excuses what this man did... NOTHING!!!
Since Frauline is the German word for women, I don't think she would hate women.
@Frisky Frauline - you're idiot... maybe statistically women are more likely to kill their children but that's only because they are statistically more likely to be the ones taking care of them! Men as a whole wouldn't get so much of a bad wrap if they actually did step up more for their own children... and besides that entire argument is moot - NOTHING excuses what this man did... NOTHING!!!
Frisky Frauline, MOST women are NOT like you describe! You are a very bitter person, and should get some counseling for that!
Frisky or whatever you call yourself, you sound like a POS and it is clear that you don't like women so STFU
I hope this creep, Josh is burning in hell and he burns for eternity, what a coward, selfish, evil person.
I agree 1000% with Jennifer Berube. Frisky Frauline is an Ahole!! You can't blame someone else for what another person does - where'd you learn that, Germany???
wow...this made me cry- i am so mad and sad at this situation. children are so innocent and sadly victimized too often. i hate that they had to suffer such a horrific death and at the hands of their father makes it that much worse. they are with the Lord now but never got to experience life on Earth.
Why do we keep suffering fools like this frisky frauline nutjob?
Ignore her and move along....nothing to see here, folks.
What a Piece of Sh*t Josh Powell's Defense attorney is. So many times he thwarted efforts at Law Enforcement interviewing the kids and preventing Josh from further talking with the authorities, even allowing him to move out of State which made investigating Susan's disappearance even harder. Now all of a sudden he's cooperating? Too late - - - there's more that you could've done! You saw this coming! You knew that your client was a lying sack-o-sh*t. You could've prevented this, even if ethics prevented you from doing so! You had your client for over 18 months and you mean to tell me that you weren't aware of his evil side? Bull-Sh*T!!!
Yes, Frisky, go get you some of "dat cownselling" because you are a very angry person!
This never would've never happened if the kids had guns.
Fumler - you are not allowed to pray. You are a pathetic, sorry form of carbon matter who obviously has an alternate agenda to promote on here. Tell me genius...why were the children Parasites as you so describe? You haven't made any point on here except exposing us all to your stupidity and patheticness! Someone oughta abort you if you haven't breeded yet!
I agree, I don't believe Frisky Frauline is a woman either but a man posing as either what he hates, wishes he were, or hates BECAUSE that's what he wishes he were! (Isn't it funny how that was the one point 'she' never responded to?!?) We all need to ignore that person and let him/her stew in his/her own juices!
And Fumler, let me ask this; can a fetus in the first trimester of development live outside the mother's body? No. Can an 8-year-old child? Of course! Hence the difference between abortion and murder. And before you go throwing stones about that, how many children that otherwise would have been aborted are YOU willing to adopt? If you're not willing to do that, then STFU!!!
Frisky: The article clearly states that the grandmother talked the boys into visiting with their father, so where are you finding any evidence that she was bad mouthing him to these boys? You're speculating based on your own bias. Do you think as a 5- or 7-year-old child that you would want to visit with a man who drove you to a camp with your "mommy in the trunk?" Kids of their age are quite capable of making their own judgment calls on their level of comfortability with another person.
Well FRISKY... Quit trolling this article isnt about a woman killing her kids its about a DAD murdering his 2 little boys and being selfish! Quit bringing up things that dont pertain to the article... Josh Powell is a COWARD
This whole thing is screwed up and wrong, however, before the stronger evidence we seemingly have now emerged, I do have to wonder why any judge would take away the kids for the grandfather being arrested. If a judge would say anything at all, it would be to the grandfather, as part of his case, "stay away from any children". Another judge should not make that part of their case.
Again, I am in no way justifying what this scum did, but based on the hard evidence they had at the time, I do have to question the judge's order at that time.
Wrong grandfather. The one in prison was the paternal grandfather. The kids were staying at the maternal grandparents.
Fumler you are one messed up individual.
Ken, his defense attorney did his job that he is required to do by law. The defense attorney didn't "allow" Josh to move out of the state. He was free to do that because he had not been charged with a crime. It does not matter what the defense attorney knew or not, he is prevented, not only by ethics, but legally.
What a piece of garbage! If he was wanting to die, why didn't he just take himself. Why kill those poor little boys. Burn in hell Josh.
That man was most likely a pedophile (who was raised by one), and thought it was a vaild lifestyle and couldn't allow his wife to interfere, which is why he murdered her; yes, I know authorities haven't found her body as yet. Next, he disabled his sons using a hatchet (how sick was that?) and caused the house to explode and burn. I also hope the police do DNA and dental identification to make sure he didn't leave some other man to die in his place, while he escaped out the back. He left messages to make people believe he was going to kill himself, while it is wrong, but I do hope he is dead.
Frisky Frauline-
Seriously, the kids saw their dad put their mother in the trunk and dump her body. If you are going to make assumptions I can sure do the same thing- we can assume he became a psychopath because of his own childhood abuse at the hands of his father who obviously is a pedophile, we can assume that his need of a psycho-sexual evaluation points towards his own deviant tendencies that probably were taken out on his own sons and we can also assume they were abused at the hands of their paternal grandfather while they were staying with him and their dad. These are some pretty basic assumptions, you can also throw in the possibility they witnessed their mother's murder and basically, you have two traumatized little boys who had no need to be turned against their dad they were probably terrified enough by him. I think the maternal grandmother is pretty blameless here, and even if she was attempting to turn them against him, if you felt your grandchild could possibly be chopped up and burned by their father who you know killed your daughter WOULDN'T you try to persuade them not to want to see him? I think what you are hearing is this poor women's pain as she works through the last few minutes with her grandbabies and she blames herself for allowing them to go into that situation even though it is isn't her fault, when we cope we all can't help but dwell on what we could have done differently.
Fumler, please get psychiatric help. These children where 7 years old and a five years old. You want abortion illegal? How many unwanted children have you adopted? I bet none. SO shut up until you do!
Seriously Frisky?? His own father was a pedophile and a voyeur!! You don't think that's a red flag?!
You are nothing more than a misogynistic pig. Seek help.
Frisky, why the attack on blondeness??? Her post was spot on. Josh's father is currently incarcerated for child porn. It's pretty obvious there is a great deal of dysfunction within this family. Even if you disagree, you can still project a measure of respect.
blondeness, there is another poster on page three who also has the same thoughts that you do regarding the body.
Okay here's what I think happened... Susan threatened to leave him and take the kids so he killed her, the state tried to take the kids, and he killed them. It's a wonder the in-laws survived.
There has to be a special place in Hell for this guy....seriously....there is no way whatsoever that there is not a deeper darker, lava filled spot below hell that plays elevator music and Oprah continuously.
I still say that someone should have accompanied the childrent o visit the home if there was a concern that that man would do anything to harm those children.
Actually, there is no evidence that the kids didn't want to visit their dad and plenty of evidence that the grandmother is lying. Why did they run from the car to the door if they weren't eager to see their dad?
It truely seems to me that there was an awful lot of HATE on both sides of this family!and the dear,god love them boys were right in the middle of it.Its so sad that those who call themselfs god frearing people can't see what they do to childern when a family has so much hate in thier heart.God bless and keep you all.
Yeah I think Frisky has some "mommy" issues himself.. maybe he is a Norman Bates type....
It is a COH violation to attack another Viner. Fraulein merely told the truth about the statistics. Like Fraulein, I have also been accused of "not really being a woman" because I expose the lies of feminism. The feminists don't speak for all women and they certainly don't speak for me. There ARE inequities in family court although it works both way--women can also be victimized. The judges rush through their cases, barely have time to speed read the caseworker's reports, and often have no idea what they are doing. Children are the ultimate victms of family court.
Frisky Frauline, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Thanks.
Ken Johnson-306874, you are suspended for a day.
Comment # 1.2 deleted. Abortion derail from Fumler, who is suspended for a day for violating rule # 4 of the Code of Honor.
Stay on topic.
Your logic is based on a serious misconception. There is NO shortage of people wanting to adopt newborns of any race, even babies born with a disability or illness. The only newborns in foster care are either there because the parents have not lost their parental rights or else they are in foster-to-adopt homes and the adoption has yet to be finalized. The only other exception I know of is when the baby is part of a sibling group and they won't separate them.
Presumably if a woman doesn't want to keep her child, she gives it up at birth or shortly thereafter. So it's deliberately misleading to bring up older "unwanted" children. There is simply no such thing as an unwanted baby. People are standing in line to adopt.
Frauline has been personally attacked in post after post. Do you plan to do anything about THAT, or do only Viners on the Left have any rights?
I have to agree, agree with her/him, or not, Frisky Frauline was easily attacked even more, but no one else was punished. Pretty hypocritical.
That's like someone speeding being mad that someone else speeding didn't get pulled over.
The questions is, did you break the rule? Yes. Did you happen to get caught? Yes. Stop worrying about someone else, and worry about yourself. Or send an email instead of posting some immature, and worse, post.
FYI, I've had my fair share of banning and I'm not shouting down from a pedestal. Just get over it and move on. Long term, the repeat offenders will get banned for good (you watch, now I'll end up violating my last warning.... :P)
Well, it looks like Sally made a proper decision, especially considering the response, unless one of you would like to defend that misogynistic attack on Sally.
Taking the low road always takes longer, and is a whole lot less satisfying in the end. I'll leave it at that.
kissmyasssallysue banned, re-reg of currently suspended Frisky Frauline, also banned.
Hell is too good for this cowardly POS.
POS is an understatement!! Cowardly doesn't cut it either... I don't think there are words to describe this type of evil and atrocity.
Its not enough that those sweet little boys had to die by fire and smoke inhalation, this sub-human hacked at them first??
What has this world come to?
So so so so sad.
Well, this is only MY opinion, so please don't all attack. Seems that the more that we are taking God out of our lives, the more evil is taking over. But like I said, that's just my opinion, and observation.
Robyn--AMEN to that I believe 100% what you stated.......the societaty influence youg people to BAN prayers in school ,........who have ever thought about 16 years old stand up for removal of the plackue that stand there for century s .WHO IS GOING TO CALL WHEN SHE IS PAIN AND SUFFERING ........OOOO GOD.
Evil has always existed, the big difference is that now it is on the news 24/7...look back in history for examples of alot of evil behavior, some of it in the name of God...don't get me wrong, I believe in God, but having God in your life and living a life that is "good" is a personal way of living, regardless of whether the government or society promote religion...I know people who are outwardly very religious, but personally do not live by the tenents of their religion, and I know 2 people who are atheists, but are law-abiding, moral people...this guy was sick or evil or both, and it seems like his father was as well...personally I think his father was alot more involved in the disappearance and deaths than we know right now..
I'm an atheist. When I'm in pain and suffering, I don't call on anyone. I look at what I can do to affect the situation, and accept what I cannot change. Please don't equate the narcissism/sociopathy exhibited by Josh Powell and his father with a lack of religion. Plenty of violence is committed by people who practice a religious faith, and certainly there is no shortage of priests, pastors and rabbis who think children are their personal sexual playthings.
You really have to wonder what could have been done to save these kids.
Sorry to say, but my feeling is the judge who ordered the psycho-sexual eval of Josh should have denied visitation until such eval was concluded.
The judge should have anticipated that Josh might feel cornered and feel if he did the eval they'd find out he was "sick" and if he didn't do it, then visitation would be cancelled. It was a lose-lose for Josh. He was so odd and robotic acting when he spoke - inappropriately in my opinion, almost as if in a daze.
May those little boys rest in peace.
why do you keep saying the same thing you dip sh*t.
Self centeredness at its finest: its all about him, not whats best for the children. He can't live without the children so he makes sure that no one else can enjoy them and that the children can't go on without him. After all, he is the center of the universe, don't you know...
I am so sick to death of this attitude. If someone wants to kill themselves, okay, but let's not play this game of "you can't go on without me." It is pure bull pucky.
it's the hallmark of a sociopath.
and frankly, we seem to like sociopaths in this country
(not all of them kill to get what they want, many just destroy lives to get what they want)
You are right Jessica and sadly MANY of our elected officials fit the bill.
What a F**king coward the guy was. May the children rest in peace.
This literally takes my breath away and my heart aches... aches for these boys. I can't imagine their pain. You almost wish it would have been quick for them, painless. Damn. The sad thing is that within the confines of the law, I don't know what could have been done to prevent this.
What a damn coward!!
A hatchet? A freakin' hatchet? Seriously? This guy was a mess. If he loved his kids he would have let them live. I can't imagine anyone taking a hatchet to their kids...especially since one would have to witness it. As sick as this sounds, carbon monoxide would have been better. The last thing those poor kids saw was an act of brutality. Sad.
seriously. a hatchet? what an a hole. if he loved his kids at all he would've used a butcher knife at least. sheesh.
He made the statement, I want my boys with me. WRONG those innocent boys are in GOD'S arms now, Powell is burning in Hell.
where does free will and gods mysterious plan stop and start? they had supervisors there. he locked them out,
Amen to that.
The problem here is the state Child Protective Services. They give biological parents every chance. These little boys would still be alive today if it wasn't for CPS. Those poor grandparents. First their daughter is murdered and now their precious grandsons by the person. This definitely could have been avoided. Time for liberal state agencies to really put the children first, and make sure they are safe and stop giving chances to those who have already proven they do not deserve parental rights.
dat, that state laws dictate what CPS can and cannot do. Because people demand that the state stay out of their business, out of their family's lives, and especially those of the extreme right demand that the government should have no say in their personal lives contributes to laws that hamper CPS from doing what is in the best interests of the children. It's not entirely the fault of CPS; it's the laws that are written because the laws tend to favor parental rights. Why? Because people don't think that the government has the right to "interfere" with their lives.
Well.. the extreme right don't mind telling people who they can marry and if you have the right to not have a child. Or even get pregnant if most have their way. So.. they are involved where they want to be.
The only abuse I have ever seen in the courts has been dished out by conservative judges. Most judges are conservative because they are all about the money. The idea that most state agencies are "liberal" is a load of crap. Money talks in the courts just as it does everywhere else.
@"dat" what an ignorant comment. Controlling women is a "conservative" value. It's what conservatives are all about. "Josh" shares your values.
This is a horrible tragedy, but regarding the issue of CPS involvement, there is a reason they have limitations to how much they can get involved. There are plenty of stories we read about families that get broken up wrongfully by CPS pursuing parents who actually turn out to be innocent, but only after months of investigation. The bigger issue with this case is that there was a murder investigation underway, the father was the prime suspect, numerous people were voicing concerns about how dangerous he could be, and the Judge ordered a psych on him. As someone else commented, with all of that put together, they should have suspended visitation pending the psych evaluation, and they should have got an injunction to prevent him from leaving the state being that he was a prime suspect. I totally understand the limitations that CPS has, and why they're here, but why didn't the legal system override all of this and step in more effectively?
I suspect he didn't need propellant for the fire, because I think Hell opened up for him when he took the hatchet to his sons. What an evil SOB. Crapheads like him give real men a bad name...
No @!$%#!!! That guy was the one and only suspect in the case of his missing wife, why would they even think of letting that maniac have visitation with his kids??? I'm so sick of hearing about tragedies that could have been avoided!!!
CPS is bound by the law. It's also usually understaffed and underfunded. So basically better laws and better funding - liberals, dat, would love to give more money to these arms of our government, but it's the conservatives who scream about funding and protecting the right of parents to raise their children as they see fit (because apparently biological ties trump a child's rights). And on the rare occasions that CPS goes too far and gets overzealous, it makes headlines and everyone screams about how CPS destroys families. Those cases, I reiterate, are very rare. In the vast majority of cases, CPS does not go far enough. I've had relatives working in school systems, and i"ve seen firsthand how educators' and child services workers' hands can get tied by the myriad rules and quirks of each state's particular system.
The only person who is at fault in this case is the deranged father. Every precaution was taken with those kids that is allowed by law, and he still managed to murder them. It is the father's fault - no one else's. Let's keep the blame where it belongs.
JrzWrld, I worked for CPS for 3 years and I assure you it isn't rare for CPS to remove children for no good reason. And no, it doesn't usually make the news because they can hide behind confidentiality laws. It's actually a daily occurrence. Many of the caseworkers are very messed up people with neurotic agendas of their own. I'm talking about people who scream at parents on the phone and otherwise behave in ways that would get them fired in any private sector job. Most judges just rubber stamp whatever they want since the judges themselves have no idea what they are doing most of the time. Moreover, there are huge federal subsidies for every child adopted out, so they have an incentive to take kids who have NOT been abused or neglected because they are much more adoptable. Genuinely abused kids tend to be messed up so they are far less adoptable.
Kids have been taken because their parents took them to McDonalds too much. Kids have been taken because they were NOT taken to McDonalds. Teens have been taken because their parents wouldn't allow them to hang out at the mall (I saw this with my own eyes.) They've been taken for being left home alone for a short time when they were 12, even though this is perfectly legal in that jurisdiction. They've been taken because they happened to show up when the famiily had just moved and there were still boxes in the living room. Autistic kids have been taken because they showed up at school without socks, even though such kids often refuse to wear socks and just take them off on the school bus or before entering the building. You have no idea, none, what is really going on.
Yeah, those wonderful grandparents, that didn't tell the police the truth about their daughters marriage when she was first discovered missing, instead, they made excuses for him.
Or that poor Aunt, that was estranged from her own family and yet didn't speak up to the fact that Josh's dad was a pedophile.
Or maybe that poor judge, who had to follow the law and deliver the kids to the house where they died at their father's hands.
Or maybe those poor police WHO DID NOT EVEN WATCH JOSH THE DAY AFTER HIS BS STORY (OF A MIDNITE CAMPING TRIP, FORGETTING THE DAY OF THE WEEK when none of them showed up where they were supposed to be Monday morning, 18 HOUR CAMPING TRIP, NEW BED COMFORTOR, wind-burned hands, lawyering up, refusing to talk to the police) ALL THE WHILE letting him RENT A CAR and LOG 100's of miles on it the day after her disappearance and didn't even follow HIM!
Or the grandmother who talked the kids into going to see their dad, but now "regrets it", even given all the information she had about Josh and Susan's marriage.
ALL THESE POOR PEOPLE! Let's give them a BIG PITY party! AWWWWWWWWWWW
If he can murder his 2 innocent sons like that I can bet he murdered his wife too
Lana, I've never doubted that for a second. Taking toddlers to make smoors at midnight during a blizzard. One of the children showed us vividly what happened to Susan, he drew 3 people in a car and "Mommy's in the trunk". Josh is one of the most evil killers I know. If he couldn't "control", then he killed. Just pure evil walking the earth....oh, wait....he's not walking anymore, he's in HELL.
LanaD, I agree with you. This man didn't just suddenly kill his kids with no past behavior like this. He's killed before. I believe he did kill his wife and after taking that first step, it was easier to kill again. In his sick mind he probably felt justified. Who knows the mind of a killer or a sick person. We are rational people. I think this entire incident is extremely sad. It just breaks my heart the manner in which those children were killed. That they were killed at all is terrible. When I read what he did, I audibly yelled out. I'm just so bothered by this. Everytime I think about this I just shake my head. So senseless.
Luckily the law isn't based on hunches. I certainly hope they don't stop looking for the wife. For all we know she could have been kidnapped and is being held prisoner by some pervert. Unlikely? Of course, but what if it was you or a loved one?
Person of interest
But police are not interested enough
To keep an eye on.
Sure. they will assign someone for three years to watch. Are you that simple? Maybe you think the government should assign someone to everyone that might be suspicious 24/7. He has never been convicted of anything.
Maybe you never heard of the fact that EVIDENCE is needed to actually accuse and convict. They had neither. How long would you consider reasonable to hold someone's kids from them? By your reasoning you would have hundreds watching everyone. If he was determined to kill them, the visitation ruling wasn't going to stop him. didn't he have a car? you think a violation of the visitation ruling was going to stop him from going to the Grandparent's and killing them. the kids showed no indication of fear of their father as they showed when they ran into the house.
Really easy to Monday morning quarterback.
R. Scalzo, some know alot more facts. Josh sent up so many flags and many of us knew, for a LONG time, he's a sociopath. He's done interviews on national television and even with a lawyer, an average dumbass could see that this was INEVITABLE.
I'm sorry the facts don't mesh with your opinion there.
I'm not placing blame on the social worker but I want to know why she didn't call the cops when he either forced her out of the house or refused to let her enter (I've seen both reported) instead of her supervisor. He apparently had enough time to use a hatchet on those poor kids and start a fire; she had enough time to go the authorities. He was in violation of a court order, after all, right?
I wondered too.
I dont understand how the kids got out of the car, ran ahead and got in the door - then he blocked her?
I doubt that. I think he just let them in and locked the door behind himself...at which point she called the supervisor...and then smelled the gas...and then realized, oh @!$%# I screwed up...and called the cops.
I dont think she really could have changed the outcome, other than I think if she had been allowed in with the boys...he'd just have killed her too.
In some ways, perhaps she's very lucky she was lazy that day on protocol?
She did what she was supposed to. It sucks.. but you don't call the police in her situation at that first moment. You call your superviser. That is how it is set up. Just like the coach at Pen... he told his superviser instead of calling police. Like they said... he did what he was supposed to. Only in his case... he saw allot more.. But also.. I bet she was surprised. It wasn't the first time he had this visitation, and all had gone well the times before. When in shock, your mind goes to protocal first.
Smell gas? FIRE FIRE FIRE..your mind goes to protocol? REALLY..mine would go to 911!
The timeline on all of this with the investigative facts don't add up, previous posters ARE RIGHT.
Though I do get that she was just doing her job and this WAS the fault of the GRANDPARENTS, the judge, the police who didn't follow Josh when he SHOWED THEM RIGHT WHERE THE BODY OF HIS WIFE WAS WHEN HE RENTED THE CAR.......etc...
Gee, I guess now that the socia worker's 911 calls have been released, you all feel pretty stupid for saying what you said?
damn.....frying in hell is too good for this guy.
wow
I am so pissed that I am looking to rent an asbestos suit so I can visit Hell and personally kick his a$$. There is no place in Hell deep enough, dark enough or hot enough for him or anyone else who would harm a child like this.
I don't really think of myself as soft but reading about sh*t like this makes me want to puke.
It's hard to believe that there are people so evil, they can look at their innocent boys and chop their necks with a hatchet. It is truly the devil at work.
This evil, evil man killed Susan (for control), put her in his trunk, told the kids they were going camping in a blizzard. Susan's remains were never found but I think one day they will. As for Josh, enjoy an eternity of hell. I also think Josh's dad is also a very, very, very sick man. He wasn't upset when told of Josh and the boys deaths. There's not much in his head except unrealizm.
When you feel it in your gut......These horror stories...the things a human being can do....you think you've heard the worse and then something like this happens....This guy is Satan!!
Satan whispers evil thoughts in ones ear and plants the seed. Once planted the Imps of Hell waters and waters until it grows into a mature act. Josh's statement that he could not take it anymore is the evidence of what was to follow. No one could save the boys from the grim reaper except Josh.
yeah, call him a coward, a killer, abuser, sex predator etc, throw the posse on him, and he deserves no pity for what he did to his kids, but for a second, look at things from his standpoint.
What if police later on find out that someone else was responsible for his wife's disapperance ? Who is guilty then ? It would be the biased courts, law enforcement and blood thirst society. I do not believe for a second that this guy did something to his wife. They have him located in one particular area during the disapperance, and recovered no bodies. After years of investigation, it would be very easy for someone to plant a fake situation in one of the boys heads, happens all the time. They are around social workers lots who work closely with police. No proof of this guy's wrongdoing. The real tragedy is that if they find out someone else was responsible, do u guys seriously think the cops will reveal that- that would be 3 deaths on the hands of the courts and law enforcement. Ain't gonna happen. This guy was pushed wrongly over and over again, attacked in every way, until he lost it. Poor boys.
This is exactly the way I feel, Fabian.There is no proof of anything except mob behavior here. What if Powell's father did it and even he didn't know? What if he went camping that night because he was just upset about something, or had a fight with his wife, she stormed out and so did he with the kids only she was never seen again?
What will all these bloodthirsty people posting here feel if that comes out as the truth? All I see if mob mentality at its finest. And, for the record, none of you get to say who goes to hell, even if there is one which I doubt. Only God would. None of you are God from what I can tell, so you should save your blasphemous judgement if you're the religious type, and look at yourselves. You know, what Jesus actually said for you to do. Something about a beam in your eye....
WHAT???? Fabian I don't care what scenario you dream up for this case, there is absolutely no reason on earth to murder two innocent children. If he couldn't stand the insinuations in the press etc. then go jump off a bridge but you don't murder your own children.
soxfan, i made it very clear (of course) that there is no pity or excuse for killing 2 innocent children. My point is the system, the biased anti male, anti father, overzealous law enforcement action, and the courts had a vendetta that they were going to, one way or another make life miserable for this guy. That's 2 years of mental daily torture. It took a toll on this guy and he did the unimaginable. Until society becomes completely impartial and we get rid of this trend of reverse gender bias and favouritism by the courts, there will be more Josh Powells, sadly. I also find it appauling that the today show would ask the grandparents about the kids' mindset on that day. Of course they will say something bad about the father (the grandparents). They were foes. We're becoming blood thirst like the taliban. what ever happen to impartiality and fairness in western society ? This was the same blood thirst manner in which the reasoning for the Iraq war was developed. How about facts and justice ?
I have to agree with soxfan here.
We will probably never know the entire truth to this tragic story but monster dad murdering his own children like this almost screams that he murdered his wife. He had no mercy for his own family.
He did at least stop the social worker from entering but considering how he blew up his own home, was there any consideration at all for any other innocent people??? Anything could have happened here.
You have no idea, soxfan, what you would be capable of given the situation this guy was in. None of us really do, we can only guess. And remember suicide is generally not just about the person, but the mess they leave behind. It's punishment. I'm sure in this case, the punishment was aimed directly at the Cox's. he couldn't live without his kids and, dammit, no one else was going to have them either. And, frankly, something in my gut tells me they actually were poisoning the kids minds. Honestly what 2 or 4 year old suddenly "remembers" mommy being in the trunk? If so there would be DNA evidence all over it.
So we can say "you don't do this". But none of us really know what evil we're capable of given the situation. And no one really knows what the truth is here. So I'm very sad for the whole situation, especially for the kids who were innocent bystanders of an adult drama in many dimensions. But I will not judge because I don't know where the truth is.
lol. yur a mess. he hacked the 2 kids with an axe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. what more goddamned proof do u need?
There is a saying that saying a lie a 100 times doesn't create a truth. However, that is exactly what happens in a child's mind. from personal experience, if my wife and i don't want our kids touching something around the house, we say "it has doggy poop on it"...u say that about 50-100 times, and no matter how attractive that object is, the kids believe it and stay away. Kids' minds can be manipulated in the worse way by ruthless vengeful people, and i totally believe that is exactly what the grandparents did in this case. Look at their body language on TV. They are not so much sad about the loss of their grandkids, rather they know that they gambled by trying to push the father as much as possible to break him, and it backfired right on their face. They are the ones who are trully dead internally now. Seriously Anne Curry...did u just ask their grandparents "do u think Josh did this because one of the kids were starting to recall...?" are u kidding ? is this seriously thought out, reasoned out, fair journalism ? a 2 year old ? really ?
What does "reverse gender bias mean?" Wouldn't it be just gender bias? And, this was not a case of gender bias, because the mother is dead, and the father is a person of interest.
Fabian, just because you manipulate your children by telling them things have dog poop on it, does not mean other people do it. Stop trying to push this act off on the Grandparents, this murdering bastard is solely responsible.
Fabian, you're correct on that point - repeating a lie will not make it the truth. I've said it here myself. But please stop for a minute...there is no trace of Susan anywhere. The man was being watched, his visits with the boys supervised. Considering how he planned this out, I'd venture to say that he wanted to make sure that there was no trace of the children or himself left and this was the only way he could see to do it. You make a good point, that if someone is hounded and accused, there is no telling what a person might do in this situation but wouldn't you think that a rational person would try to do everything that they could to prove their innocence??? Even if they couldn't, why take those children and do it in such a violent manner???
Fabian - how do they have him pinpointed? He traveled over a hundred miles after that camping trip and they never even tracked him!?!? Doesn't really take a genius to figure out that he most likely killed her and that is why there was a fan blowing on a wet spot on the carpet when the cops seized the house and why he would drag two sleeping boys out in a blizzard to go roast marshmallows on a camp fire after midnight. And why did the youngest boy draw a picture in preschool of him, his dad and brother riding in the van with his mother riding in the trunk?? A kid would not just make that sh*t up?? It's time we quit letting these sociopathic, narcissistic people get by with killing their children!!! Here's a thought if you don't want your children there are plenty of good people in the world that would be wonderful parents. We welcome you killers (Casey Anthony) to kill yourselves but by all means spare the children. What kind of person could use a hatchet on his sons heads and necks???...the same kind that would murder his wife and dispose of her body!! Josh Powell was a freakin' coward!!!!!
NO woman leaving her family (by her own decision) would leave without her, purse or cellphone or photos of her children. I'll never believe she left that home of her own accord!
how could they allow visits of any kind for this guy? sooo sad that their Mother was killed n like...hello! what a red flag....I thought SS were trained to recognize bad parenting let alone someone like this??
FYI, men don't take their kids camping in the middle of winter in a mini van on the night their wife dissapeared. Sorry, that's not a coincidence.
This guy was a killer as he just proved it. The POS should have killed himself a long time ago.
I can't imagine anyone taking the side of this guy!?!?!? I don't care how much he was pushed or questioned about his wife's disappearance...if he was innocent he wouldn't have cared how much they questioned him. That bull@!$%# story about taking his kids out camping, at midinght, in the snow..seriously?!!? The fact that he murdered those two little boys the way he did just shows what a sick monster he was. There is a special place in hell for evil like him.
FrequentFly, I understand your point. There is really now way of actually knowing if he did kill his wife. He also could have been under a lot of pressure from the investigation. However, he said just a few days before the murder/suicide that "A lesser person would fall under the intense scrutiny I am facing, but apparently my inherent resilience as a person makes it increasingly difficult for them to pursue their agendas," "I am standing tall for my sons...".
You don't go from the strong character of what he seemed to be in court to axing your kids in just a few days. If he wanted the mess, wasn't the fire enough? Did he have to injure them first? If it was just suicidal thinking and he wanted to be with his boys, why do something so horrendous as giving axe wounds to the kids? They didn't even die from that! These questions continue to circle in my head. All I keep thinking is if you were trying to take your kids with you and you loved them, wouldn't you find the easiest way for them to go? The least painful and quickest way? Axe/knife wounds don't kill instantly. He had to have been deeply disturbed for a long time. Members of his own family (not just his inlaws) have even stated they felt his was guilty. We can't know for sure that he killed his wife or what he was thinking, but to me it shows even more that he was capable and wasn't the man he was pretending to be. Even if he didn't kill Susan Powell.
The legal system may have some flaws, but in this case, weren't they right to feel weary of Josh Powell? All he did was prove them right, that he was unfit to be their parent. And though I will never know for sure, it only seemed to prove his guilt for knowing what happened to or killing Susan Powell.
We are campers and have taken our kids camping since they were 2 months old. However, I would have NEVER allowed my husband to take the kids ANY place at that time of night or in that kind of weather!!!! He was a great dad but common sense prevails. Josh REFUSED to co operate with any law officers from the start. His story had holes in it from day one. Being a person of interest is defined by law and the law is pretty tight about protecting his "rights" as a person of interest. Josh instigated confrontations with the grandparents every chance he got, and would "whine" to the press about be harrassed. I live up here and have watched this "show" since his wife disappeared and he showed up in Puyallup. This case will go on but if a man can murder/torture his small boys, he can sure as hell kill his wife. Actions speak louder than words. If the grandparents loved these boys, I am sure they tread lightly about the mother's death with the boys. At least, I hope they did. I know for a fact, small children get memories all screwed up. I had 2 kids and 4 grandkids to back that up. I am dealing with a severe problem with one of them and have NO idea how to approach the subject or problem so leave it to the councelors. I don't want to keep "reminding" that person or keep "bringing it up" I talk to the mom and let her handle it. If the child bring up anything, I just listen and tell them they did nothing wrong. That is being a loving relative. Ya all have your views but the blame is squarely on Josh. Don't blame CPS (who I have NO use for). The case worker found she was locked out, turned to walk away and make a call. If she had been closer she may have been killed, also. You can't blame the grandparents as it was court ordered and the HAD to send to boys over there. So, all of you put the blame where it goes....on Josh, one real POS
Lacie, he wanted those children dead. He made sure that there would be no chance for escape or rescue. He showed no mercy to his own flesh and blood. If he was so determined to take their young lives, there are less painful methods. He was a monster. The only good thing I can say about all of this is that he's gone. If only he would have taken his own life and left those innocent boys out of it.
@ B Young- u make a good point about him being unaccounted for, for many miles. However, people have been asked to stand trial based on circumstancial evidence before, and convicted. The attorney general would not do that for good reason- they have absolutely nothing on him.
raddave- you are writing more out of anger than reason, but gender bias exists even if the female is missing. regular traditional bias = men favored. reverse bias = the other way. If u and your significant other call the cops at the same time on domestic violence, with equal accusations, who do u think gets a guaranteed handcuff ? If u don't think its not the guy, you are naiive, my friend.
@Shelly - U show a good reason why the jury system is questionable. Many of us who make up the jury, go in to deliberations with our personal biases created prior to being selected. You have cops trying to frame u, which is nothing new...why would he incriminate himself when he's innocent ? I'm more on the side of the kids than any other characters. Society and court bias cost these innocent kids their lives. Stop putting blame on this guy entirely, because unfortunately, there have been others just like him and more after him. Fix the problem, not the created monster.
I can't even stand to look at this photo. These two sweet little boys run into their home happy to see their father and he does this to them. What a sick twisted MONSTER. He is just where he deserves to be, in HELL! My only question is, why did this Judge allow him to have any type of visitation with these boys? In my eyes he's just as much at fault. If you're under investigation for possibly murdering someone would it make any sense at all to allow someone to have their children around them, supervised or not? It would be over my dead body that I would allow my children around someone I knew was being investigated for MURDER!!!!!!!!!
Fabian,
The only hole in your story... if he was truly just a poor man who was pushed over the edge, it would have been more common for him to kill his children in a "humane" manner, not chopping them up with a hatchet. This suggests that he was angry with them... maybe for starting to talk. If he is capable of killing his children in such a manner, he is more than capable for killing their mother.
Your scenario is possible, but highly unlikely considering how the children were killed.
Did i miss something...I thought he was supposed to have "supervised" visits with the children? I read that he locked the social worker out of the house after the kids went inside. Did he or she call the police? I realize he would have found a way sooner or later to complete his mission, but maybe at least the children could have been saved if the social worker did all he or she could have. Maybe I don't have all the information.
sorry, new to this, looks like i posted in the wrong spot...
chefaz-1319563 Just a thought, most comments i have read so far state about " hell and heaven " and if people believe in what they are stating, and if this individual like wise did, Could it be that he thought that anything was better then " here " and was prepared to do that horrendous act, in a way that in his twisted mind was a relief, thinking that either heaven OR hell was better then what they had here.
Hence why the teaching of " eternal life " in either place can be twisted in many consideration, like the suicide bombers that believe that they are going to " heaven ", So indoctrination, does indeed play a part in all of this. Add to that what one hears every day that " abortions and euthanasia is OK, " and this could very well be the end.
Indeed a sory state for Humanity " not knowing the way out"
Hey Eagle, good to see you. These are some very important points that you're presenting and you could very well be right on the money with this. What ever his thoughts or beliefs or feelings, they had to be terribly skewed and distorted to harm the boys like this. The horror of what those poor babies must have went through is unfathomable.
That small sentence says so very, very much. GOD Bless you, my friend.
Fabian From Canada, CLEARLY, you have NOT followed the details on this case. Your posts are ridiculous. Quit insulting everyone's intelligence.
The system failed once again to protect two innocent children. PERIOD.
No dad killed them he failed his boys, the system was a part of it. Dont move the blame from the piece of @!$%# his dad was
It's just touching (not) that he couldn't live without the boys, but I'm pretty sure they could have lived just fine without him.
while those two innocent boys are in heaven (along with their mother) I hope this monster is suffering in the worst part of hades ...
What I don't get is he wanted to die with his boys so they could be together, but doesn't he get that he is in Hell while the boys are in heaven? He will never see them. He should have just done himself in and let the boys , who he claimed to love, grow up with family who could take care of them and love them. It is just sickening.
@ SeattleKaren..
Maybe that is his special Hell...he gets to watch his children being happily reunited with his wife over and over again for all of eternity. I'm pretty sure that would cause him excruciating pain...all three of the people that he removed from this planet living happily TOGETHER for all eternity in Heaven while he burns for all eternity in Hell having to watch them.
How can this get any worse.... My heat break's for them all
My heart is just broken. This is beyond tragic.....
If someone is suspected of murder, why can't visitations be made in a more neutral place if at all?
I have an answer to your neutral place question. Anyone suspected of murder should NOT have any visitation or custody rights.
correct joyce...all judges should look at this case and make better decisions about visitation. i am sure that the judge and caseworkers feel terrible about this, but it could have been avoided.
Because they are only suspected, they are not guilty. And, from what I have read on this case, the father was only a "person of interest" which means they don't even have enough evidence to name him a suspect. I know you don't like it, because of the deaths of the children. But, the 14th Amendment still applies.
I can't believe he had visitation rights!!!!
No doubt he killed his wife too!!!
Somebody else said this before...I have to agree....
He is not with his kids...He is i HELL!!!
jdoo, he had visitation rights because no one can be denied their rights without due process. This is guaranteed under the Constitution.
Sorry but the Family Court can rule anything they want as they are under a different standard that is they are supposed to rule "in the best interest of the children" until there is an a hearing where evidence is provided. It is more complicated than you can imagine unless you have been through it. So the correct way would have been to have supervised parenting time take place in a neutral place until the hearing. Oh and just stop trying to find a way to make this Josh a victim..please..he was a narsisitic pychopath and there ain't no way round it every action before and during his hideous acts proves it.
This is just so heartbreaking. Those poor babies.
I think that placing blame on the social worker is unfair. She was doing her job - supervising the court-ordered visit. How is one woman to stand against a homicidal maniac? I believe if blame is to be assigned, first and foremost, that monster is responsible for his own actions. He would not have been able to get to the children, however, if the courts that were responsible for protecting them had done their job. When a person - mother, father, grandparent, whatever - is suspected of being violent, as was the case here, under no circumstances - none - should they be allowed to have opportunity to commit further violence against innocent children. Sorry, but so-called parental rights need to take a back seat here. There should be no higher priority than protection of the children. The boys had started to talk about the night of their mother's disappearance, implicating Daddy. I mean really - what more do you need to know? The judge who ordered the visitation has blood on his/her hands.
God speed little men. I did not know you, but I will not forget you.
Sara...sad part here is that he did not lose custody of the boys due to his potential violent manner...he lost custody because his father had child pornography on his home computer and they suspected Josh of dabbling in child pornography himself which is why they wanted him evaluated. They had let those boys live with him all this time even though they suspected him of killing Susan. How sad is that?? But it is the law, and lately our laws seem to be really bad at protecting innocent children from their own narcissistic sociopathic parents!! Too bad he didn't spare the children and take his pedophile father with him instead!! Only one good thing came of this...we do not have to pay to shelter, feed and clothe the piece of sh*t coward for the rest of his pathetic life!!
@jessica1170, read your comment again and think about it. you think his parents really had something to do with it? you are a product of your environment but seriously his parents didnt raise him to murder his wife and kids. thats just ludicrous
I agree!!!
Pantywaist judge!!!!
Alex, his dad's CURRENTLY in jail for having pornography on his computer. You're missing some facts here.