9-year-old suspended after 'groin grab' at Catholic school fundraiser

A 9-year-old boy was suspended from a Catholic school after mimicking a Michael Jackson "groin grab" during a performance of "Billie Jean" at a fundraiser, a Minnesota newspaper reported.

The Winona Daily News reported on its website that Lenny Boberg's mother, Mindy, said the principal at St. Stanislaus in Winona objected to her son reaching toward his groin to imitate Jackson's dance move during the performance on Thursday night.

Principal Pat Bowlin told the Daily News that he would meet with the family on Monday, but he declined further comment.

The Daily News reported that Bowlin sent an email Thursday night to all Winona Area Catholic Schools’ faculty, staff and families apologizing for "one act that was clearly inappropriate."

Boberg said Lenny had performed similar Jackson dance routines the past two years at the St. Stanislaus event and that his performance this year had been approved at rehearsal by the WACS’ Parent-Teacher-Partnership.

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Comment author avatardapjetExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

It's amazing parents let their kids practice this with their approval......then perform it in front of an audience.

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#1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST

Yes because we all know its the sign of the devil!

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#1.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:23 PM EST

It's more amazing you think that is important.

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#1.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:24 PM EST

Kids imitate Michael Jackson's moves all the time. Considering the kid was only 9 years old, it is doubtful he meant it in any inappropriate way. He probably saw it on T.V and thought it would be cool to do in public. Suspending him, makes it a much bigger issue than what it is.

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#1.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST

Where do they come up with this stuff? How many kids got suspended from school last week in the USA? Is this news? I think it's telling that MSN is picking out a Catholic school.

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#1.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:48 PM EST

Boberg said Lenny had performed similar Jackson dance routines the past two years at the St. Stanislaus event and that his performance this year had been approved at rehearsal by the WACS’ Parent-Teacher-Partnership.

Then this is stupid.

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#1.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST

Eight pound, six ounce, perfectly formed Baby Jesus surely shuddered in his straw at this affront to Catholicism!

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#1.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST

Greenwood, the Catholic Church does a good enough job making headlines on their own.

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#1.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:21 PM EST

What strikes me here is that nearly 80% of black men desert their children either prior to birth or no later than their third birthday. This a problem. Yet here we are discussing a 9 year old for mimicking a grotch grab by MJ when I think what the crime was, was a person running the show who allowed a 9 year old to sing "Billie Jean is not my lover, the kid not my son". A song about denying the fatherhood of a child. THAT is the real crime I think. And whoever approved that song should be suspended, not the 9 year old kid.

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#1.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST

I don't understand why things like this always seem to become an issue. When parents send their kids to a religious school, they do so knowing it is a conservative atmosphere. I would presume that's why they are sending them there in the first place. So then why do they get so upset when the rules are actually enforced? If you want your child to be able to do this kind of stuff, send them to a non-religious, public school where it isn't a big deal. I teach at a public school, and believe me, crotch-grabbing is the least of my worries.

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#1.9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST

'Up the Down Staircase,' Jessica?

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#1.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST

What strikes me Robert is that you don't know what the heck you are tallking about. Where did you get that stat from on black men? Secondly that song is about 25yrs old, and am I sure know one is thinking about the lyrics in the manner that you are suggesting. Get off your soap box, the kid is just fan of Michael Jackson and was mimicking his moves. You folks need to lighten up a bit and not over analyze everything. I have seen kids perform this for years and never have I heard or seen anyone complain about the crotch grabbing.

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#1.11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST

Michael Jackson was inappropriate if not disgusting on many levels. It appears to be a family trait. However, he and his music are out there. It behooves parents to level with their kids and explain why Jackson was vulgar. If possible cover his pedophilia and suicide as well.

Kids aren't stupid. They deserve the truth.

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#1.12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:42 PM EST

People he's 9 years old, give me and him a break. I am so sick of the behavior police. Why don't you people get a life and leave little kids alone. Everyone has seen this move over a million times, Jiminey Xmas!!!!!

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#1.13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:46 PM EST

I do NOT understand how anyone can approve of their 9 year old doing a dance movement like the "groin grab". I do not think it is sinful, just not age appropriate; but then, I do not understand the term "common sense", because it seems to be anything but common.

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#1.14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST

What strikes me here is that nearly 80% of black men desert their children

No. That is nonsense and you know it. Did you make that statistic up on the spot? Plus, the article didn't even mention the kids race which means you are making an assumption based on a stereotype. Last I checked, Michael Jacksons music was enjoyed by people of all races.

Janis- I agree with you. This move, (and many others) was made popular by Michael Jackson over 20 years ago. This is not something new or original. He was copying a move that has been around for 20 years. Give him a warning and move on.

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#1.15 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST

come on now, grabbing the crouch in public is distasteful & absurd; Show Some Respect ......

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#1.16 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:53 PM EST

The thing is Janis, we're talking about a 9-yr-old boy vs perhaps a teenager or older. I agree the boy's parents are partially to blame because they let him carry on with that perhaps knowing full well he would get in trouble with school officials. I can't understand why they let him get away with it during rehearsals though and then lowered the boom on him because he actually did it during the school program unless they were hoping the parents would talk to him about that part of his act and tell him to knock it off.

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#1.17 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:01 PM EST

I wonder if any of these whining azz people ever complain about the sports kids slapping one another on the azz or grabbing their crotch during a school game?

Gee, what next? If a man scratches his crotch in public in front of someone it will now be considered a crime.

GTFU America. I'm sure most kids have already seen MJ videos of grabbing his crotch over and over. Whoopie-effen-do.

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#1.18 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:04 PM EST

So you don't mind if your son does his dance in front Grandma?

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#1.19 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST

hmm...now if they'd suspend the priests as fast as they suspended that kid...hmmm....

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#1.20 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST

MSNBC must be getting pretty desperate to keep posting stories like these!

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#1.21 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:51 PM EST

I suppose we can be thankful the kid didn't emulate an American president holding a cigar!

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#1.22 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST

Catholics. Taking the fun out of school since the Middle Ages...

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#1.23 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:07 PM EST

Didn't God create groins?

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#1.24 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:16 PM EST

One thing wasn't clear to me from the article. Did the kid actually do the groin grab during rehearsal, or was it a spur of the moment thing? He could have been dared by his friends to do it.

Nine-year-olds are much more precocious about things having to do with sex, vulgarity, etc. than many people realize. My grandson just turned 9 in January. Last week he told me he knows what f__— is. (He spelled it out. He wouldn't dare say it -- at home, at least.) He also gets upset because I constantly call him on it when he uses the expression "What the ...". I've told him no one knows whether he means "What the heck!" or many other words, some of which are not acceptable in his home or in any polite company. Guess that's why he had to tell me he knew what the "f-word" was.

Parents need to teach and monitor their kids, but there is no way to protect them from picking up the things their peers say and think is cool. The best we can do is set a good example and be clear about what is or is not acceptable and why.

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#1.25 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST

Janice: I think that IS the problem. Parents DO just leave their kids alone when they should be monitoring and teaching them.

So he imitated MJ before...doing the moonwalk perhaps? If some see no difference between that and crotch grabbing, they need an anatomy lesson. Religion has little to do with it, it's a matter of simple decency, and being taught self respect. Entertainers aren't the best guides for setting examples of what's acceptable behavior for children.

It's too bad that public schools are so stifled, that they can say or do little to nothing to discipline for fear of being sued or arrested.

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#1.26 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:19 PM EST

So its okay for a priest to grab a 9 year old's crotch but its not okay for him to do it to himself?

I think he got suspended for his own protection.

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#1.27 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:54 PM EST

EROCK17 ...Perhaps the boy was suspended by a Principal protecting himself? ... You're likely ROCK solid on ...

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#1.28 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:38 PM EST

That's what happens when a kid imitates something a nasty individual did. Hopefully this kid will learn a lesson here.

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#1.29 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:01 AM EST

Ya know, the real issue here isn't the religion, child's race, age, or who came up with the move. The real issue is that someone or some group, that was apparently assigned to approve or disapprove the acts, told this kid it was okay to grab his crotch and the principal, who,I would assume, asked the individual or group to check things out, decided, after the fact, that the kid was wrong. Folks, the kid wasn't wrong! He did what he was told he could do and now he has been punished for it and that's just plain wrong.

If I were the individual or part of the group approving acts, I would have suggested he grab his belt. Yes, I do believe the move was inappropriate for a 9 year old, but, apparently, some folks didn't and that's their fault, not the boy's. The principal should have chewed the adults out, not suspend the child!

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#1.30 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:27 AM EST

@ The Company

He may have been referring to the government statistic that 72 percent of black children are born to unmarried mothers. Not necessarily fatherless.

I believe the statistic for black fathers not being around their children was 25.3 percent last time I checked in the U.S. It's probably roughly the same for all other races in the U.S. though.

Oh, in case you're wondering, my source for the "72 percent" statistic was from Newsone.com.

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#1.31 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:56 AM EST

@Robert, that's quite a claim. Please post your link to that information. While over 71% of black children are raised in single-parent homes, to claim that almost 80% of black men abandon their children is quite a leap (or lie). I've been involved in quite a few programs to help single women struggling to raise their children, and I can tell you that most of them do have their fathers involved on some level. As a matter of fact, I found myself wishing, sometimes, that a few of these fathers would not be involved with their kids (just my personal opinion), and I've seen a lot of stats on the subject, but I have NEVER head this one. So please post your resource.

    #1.32 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST

    What strikes me here is that nearly 80% of black men desert their children

    Did you know that 38.683% of statistics are made up on the spot

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    #1.33 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:15 PM EST

    @gcataldo

    nice.

      #1.34 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:07 AM EST
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      Comment author avatarWeThePeepsNetExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      I think the priests were mad they didn't do that move on him first.

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      #2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST

      ...and the thread is won on the second post! Good show!

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      #2.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST
      Comment author avatarHell no-568603Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      For PeteMT. For a second i thought you were referring to Michael Jackson and yet you didn't criticize MJ, that BTW, even blacks knew, know he was a pedophile. Something tells me that you might have a similar skeleton in your closet or should I say: Skeletons? My choice is the latter, am I warm? Or burning? FYI, every thing depends on who is watching the show. I saw one Christian brother from a religious order hit a student, real hard in his face because he was laughing in the middle of a sacrament. Not all priests react the same way to the same incident. Like with everybody, we all don't have the same degree of tolerance.

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      #2.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

      WeThePeepsNet

      I think the priests were mad they didn't do that move on him first.

      lmao here, just don't tell any priest about it.

      lol

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      #2.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:15 PM EST

      If Michael Jackson was a pedophille he would have fit in just fine down at the catholic church,then maybe the compotetion would have been to much for him,I do not know anyother group with as many pedophilles as the catholic church.

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      #2.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:20 PM EST

      Hell no 568603, your comment is by far one of the stupidest things I have seen posted on here, and there are a LOT of dumb posts, or maybe it's YOU that has the skeleton in YOUR closet? What was that you were saying about slapping little boys?

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      #2.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:47 PM EST

      @Hell no-568603

      You win the award for most idiotic post of the day.

      even blacks knew, know he was a pedophile

      Funny, the blacks in the jury didn't think so, neither did the Hispanics, nor the whites. Your point?

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      #2.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:13 PM EST

      peteMT

      "...and the thread is won on the second post! Good show!"

      Actually, the second and many more posts were collapsed by the board gods that feel they should censor what everyone here reads.

      Jackson was a perve and everyone knows it. He paid 20 million to silence the first accusation against him. Idiots freed him on the second, just like they did with OJ.

      However, a 9 year old boy getting suspended for what his parents allowed him to see. Maybe they should suspend the parents from being parents.

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      #2.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST

      @Bob-3374873

      A lot of the children were told to say that MJ molested them. None of the allegations stood in court because they were baseless, and couldn't be proven.

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      #2.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:36 AM EST

      Check the time stamps Bob. Seems Peeps was the same time as the first post. Possibly seconds later. Baco's below is the same as well.

        #2.10 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:47 AM EST

        keith ;; i would have won that talent show ... got those moves like jagger...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfImnUDoes

          #2.11 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:02 AM EST

          That was my very first thought WeThePeeps.

            #2.12 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:35 AM EST

            It is a good thing the kid didn't do a one on one audition alone with any of the priests.

              #2.13 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:00 AM EST

              The so called "jokes" regarding the Priests, have long ago ceased to be funny or clever. I often wonder if those who must constantly be bringing that up are, in fact, "turned on" by dwelling on it. Just imagining/picturing it, talking about it, dwelling on it gets their hearts racing, or affecting another body part???? I'm not defending those guilty priests or condoning what they did, but it just makes me wonder why some posters want to keep "going there".

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              #2.14 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:15 AM EST

              Perhaps the jokes regarding priests will stop when the catholic church starts doing something to own up to the problem, apologizes for previous errors, and also does everything it can to prevent it from happening again by maybe sending the guilty to jail instead of onward to abuse again.

              The catholic church's handling of these multiple situations is unforgivable. The jokes are not the problem here, and such situations warrant ridicule in every form.

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              #2.15 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:41 AM EST

              Boy, oh boy, this forum looks and sounds like a retards' convention. First of all, I'm not here to explain every thing blacks do or don't do. Blacks allow others blacks to go free, not because they think they are innocent, no siree, they letm them go free because to them is Miller time or if you prefer payback time. Don't tello me you guys and gals already forgot how whites allowed other white criminals go free and they were guilty as sin. The list is too long to publish here, but if you leave your bias, hidden agendas at your keyboards, you would understand more and jump to conclussions less. When I say black knew he is, was, I'm referring to the black comedians that bring it up any time the subject of pedophile comes to their minds. As for being stupid, well, pea brains, here I feel Einstein. Just imagine, those with a hidden agenda already forgot the pictures of naked children found in MJ's possession or the 30 million paid by MJ to the Philippine boy for keeping his mouth shut. As for that other retard, hypocritical to the nth degree, with worse skeletons in his closet, the statistics about pedophile in the catholic church are 2.7% when in other religions is over 3% and in the general population is way over 7% and let's not talk about incest, because those statistics in West Virginia hit the roof. Actually, it was that super coward of Wyoming that refer to them as the ground zero of incest. The only difference between the catholice and church and other churches is that lawyers go after the money and money, not morality, morality lynchers is what drives those morality chasers. But is hear your pain, there is nothing better to denigrate others, a la Newt Gingrich, when I'm 1000% sure that people here are worse than 1000 priests. Actually the term to describe those "children", "victims" that seem never to say no, continue going over and over like the energyzer bunny and only quit going when lawyers show them a retirement rainbow in the horizon. And up until now, I don't care how old, including children, they are, btu I know of no one that would not like to have millions in their bank accounts, except of course that infant in the Capital One commercial, because according to the graph, he is the only one that doesn't want more money, the rest of the world disagrees with him. But don't be too hard on him, I'm guessing he is a he, he doesn't even know his own sex, so it's understandable that he doesn't want more money.

                #2.16 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:57 PM EST
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                School Rules ?

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                Reply#3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST

                he should have went with this instead...they would have liked him a lot...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw

                  #3.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:58 AM EST

                  ...-2057059

                  Where have you been? The Church has done MORE than just apologize. The guilty priests have been defrocked, booted out, and some ARE currently in prison. Others awaiting trial. The Church has also paid millions and millions to families affected, and have provided psychological care for the (former) boys and their families, among other services. I realize that doesn't make for good joke material, and as I said, it's no longer clever or funny...especially when so many don't know what they're talking about. You and the others need to catch up.

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                  #3.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 7:43 PM EST

                  "The Church"? So sad, it's just not like that; not a "proper" noun anymore. Sounds like you are a supporter, my condolences.

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                  #3.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:54 AM EST

                  dan-2848707

                  THAT'S the most profound statement you can make? Why should I CARE what you think? I don't give a rat's patoot which "case" you choose. Get a life...

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                  #3.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 8:01 AM EST

                  Aggie,

                  It is truly sad that you approve of the catholic church's handling of these situations.

                  Sure some of the priests have had to pay for their crimes, but only after the church ignored the problem and moved them around a few times where they abused children again. Probably should have sent them to jail the first time, or do you disagree?

                  The catholic church was forced (and PRed) to do the good things you say they did to resolve the situation.

                  A vatican member even blamed the children at one point for tempting the priests. I don't remember any public apologies for the practice of ignoring known abusers, and sending them out to abuse again... and again... and again. The abuse was a problem, but not THE problem. The catholic church's handling of the known abuse was criminal, and unforgivable. If there is a hell, you will surely find the relocators, relocatees, and all those silent but knowledgeable regarding the situation there.

                  That's where I've been and remain. Where the hell are you?

                    #3.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:32 PM EST
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                    Comment author avatarpatrick demarcoExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    Emulating Jackson's nut grab is not an endearing action for a 9 year old. Mindy, if you are so worried about it, send him to public school where he can grab his nuts and have his pants down to his thighs all day. I'm sure he will be able to talk street a lot better in public school too.

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                    Reply#4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:21 PM EST

                    Wow, your post manifests a couple of Deadly Sins there, patrick... ire and pride to name two, not to mention using 'street' yourself...

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                    #4.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:38 PM EST

                    Well at least in a public school, he probably wouldn't have to worry about his teacher asking him to do it over and over again, until he was in a frothy gaze.

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                    #4.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:46 PM EST

                    Actually - Patrick's description is exactly what goes on in Public Schools every day. Parents threaten lawsuits if their "thugs" aren't allowed to do what Patrick describes.

                    In one county play - the student performers did the "groin grab" in front of middle and high school kids - they were told not to do so by Teachers and Administrators. Parents of the audience were upset - parents of the perverts on stage though it was perfectly OK.

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                    #4.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:49 PM EST

                    Patrick, same mentality when Elvis gyrated his hips and was cut off mid-waist on tv. Oh the shame of it all, the 'cult' uprising!! >.<

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                    #4.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST

                    In Catholic school, you grab your nuts and get suspended. In public school, you Tebow and get suspended. Not sure which is more ridiculous.

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                    #4.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:28 PM EST

                    the only thing wrong with the tebow thing was they were blocking the hallway while switching classes... i beleive if they stood off to the side it would of been ok.

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                    #4.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:51 PM EST

                    So..........99% of all grown men grab and scratch their crotches all the time in public and this is ok. One little 9 year old boy mimics a move by Michael Jackson and he gets suspended from school. The final analysis....Boys, you can't touch "it" in public until you are an adult.

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                    #4.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:42 AM EST

                    It is not okay, no matter the age of the person performing the act. It must only be in your realm of friends and family that 99% of grown men make this display because the people I know and associate with don't do it.

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                    #4.8 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:08 AM EST

                    I think the larger point is it is a private school and if you don't like how they administer rules you speak with them in private. You don't go straight to the press. If you want your son to be able to administer to his privates then pick another school. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQNidNeit34

                    These school stories always tell one side because the school has to maintain privacy for both parties. You get the raging parents side and the schools appear draconian, especially with the public schools. They can't really say much because a civil rights lawsuit is usually coming.

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                    #4.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:17 AM EST
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                    Comment author avatari saw itExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    What's wrong? Don't wanna temp those Priests? A dance, is a dance is a dance. Big damned deal...weirdos!

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                    Reply#5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:21 PM EST

                    You're right. The church staff idiots are just hung up over their own personal sexual conflicts.

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                    #5.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:43 PM EST

                    So for all of you Catholic haters - bashing an entire religion is ok as you are doing here, but trying to enforce rules and expect children to behave with some sense of decency is wrong. Yes there were some pedophile priests, but the question posed in a previous post asking where do you find more pedophiles than priests? How about in the public school system. It happened when i was in school and is still happening, and they didn't and still don't do much different than the church did. Teachers were and still are allowed to resign and move on. So..... don't act like it is just a Catholic problem. It permeates our society and far to may people look the other way.

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                    #5.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:06 PM EST

                    yes, it does permeate all over; HOWEVER, priests should have been held to a higher standard. My grandmother was excommunicated for getting a divorce from an abusive husband. Pope Leo sold indulgences because he used all the churchs' money on parties, including cakes where little boys would pop out. when there is so much abuse of children, a child being rude shouldn't be such a hysterical issue to the point he gets suspended AND it's on the news. let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

                    • 3 votes
                    #5.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST

                    i saw it and Bryan Rickard, it is parents, liberals, and members of our society that are bringing any type of morals and what is or wrong for our country. It is pretty sad and pathetic that any person could approve of a nine year old grabbing his private areas. Any one who thinks it is ok should be seeing a psychiatrist.

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                    #5.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:27 AM EST

                    People get more and more liberal and society suffers a moral collapse, the reason people pay to send their kids to private school is to get away from this, If someone doesn't want to accept the standards go to a public school and let your kids run around with their trousers below their butts, and maybe your daughter can get a reality show like teen mom, or Snooky,or even make their own friky video for U Tube, the problem is these actions become a part of the child when they grow up. the things MJ did in comparison to whats going on today are mild in comparison to what you can find out their today, that just goes to show you how things snowball, and how sickness spreads, I'm all for stopping it but I think it should have stopped along time ago. and to add a point in regards to some post about catholic schools Penn State is not one of them, and public schools are loaded with perverts more than you think! its our whole society that is sick, I wonder why? where do you draw the line it has to be somewhere.

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                    #5.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:21 AM EST

                    It has nothing to do with liberals. I am a liberal and think that the school is in the right here. First, it is a Catholic school, not a public school, and what they say goes. Secondly, it is completely inappropriate for a nine year old to behave like that at a school function. I agree with your comment, that class needs to be brought back into our childrens lives. I dont see it as being immoral, but it was it very poor taste and disrespectful.

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                    #5.6 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:21 AM EST

                    Suspension seems to me unwarranted. The 9 year old boy should be advised that a 'groin grab' is NOT appropriate behavior, even while performing. At 9, I'm sure he doesn't fully understand why it is objectionable. The adults who approved the act should understand, however. I think a suspension for something that had been approved is overeaction. An apology to those who attended is warranted. Meeting with the boy and his parents is warranted. Meeting with the adults who approved it is MANDATORY!

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                    #5.7 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:50 AM EST

                    The kid grabbing his groin is the least of this schl's problems. The ppl who write the tuition checks aren't any brighter than the students.

                    What brain-dead parents in charge of this show approved the SONG?

                    Billie Jean's/Not my lover/She's just a girl/Says that I am the one/But the kid/Is not my son

                    Are these appropriate lyrics for a 9 yo to be singing/dancing to? Sex, teenage pregnancy, & pinning fatherhood on some chump. At a Catholic schl. How did this slip past the parents approving the acts?

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                    #5.8 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 11:50 PM EST
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                    Thou shall not grab thy crotch! So sayeth the mystical man.

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                    Reply#6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:22 PM EST

                    The priest must have been on the Hofstra football team.

                      #6.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:06 PM EST
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                      If a "groin grab" dance move is the worst thing he does as a person, he's doing pretty well. Seriously, people. We have so much more to worry about in this world of ours - hunger, war, environmental issues - the list goes on and on. Put just a fraction of the energy caring about this issue to those issues and we'd be doing much better as a society!

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                      Reply#7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:23 PM EST
                      Comment author avatarPatriotic American-1097125Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                      The kid was 9 years old you catholic school a..hole. Organized religion sucks when you are just a bunch of mindless people following some preacher/priest. The greatest group of sinners are you religious folks.

                      • 21 votes
                      Reply#8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:24 PM EST

                      your absolutely right Patriotic American... hell, we should probably just let him fondle himself on stage shouldn't we? damn uptight religious a-holes anyhow! O.o

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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                      Comment author avatarleroy brownExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                      You gotta be kidding. For a pedophile cult, the catholic church certainly is judgemental! Shield priests and try to cover for them when they RAPE children, but suspend a 9 year old for a MJ dance? The catholic church is the very epitome of hypocrisy.

                      • 30 votes
                      Reply#9 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:26 PM EST
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                      Comment author avatarproamerica-1148973Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                      Groin grab at 9 ......Pedophile junkie at 25.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST

                      Dancing leads to pedophilia?

                      So, because the kid grabbed his OWN crotch, that makes him a pedophile? That is as stupid as charging teenagers taking pictures of themselves with producing child porn.

                      • 22 votes
                      #10.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:49 PM EST

                      I think Pro was just taking a humorous jab at MJ.

                        #10.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST

                        I didn't know you were confessing, pro. >.<

                        • 4 votes
                        #10.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:53 PM EST

                        Is it the groin grabbing or the fact he is surrounded by priests that will make him a pedophile?

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                        For Taziar. Actually, teenagers taking pictures of themselves and sexting them to others is considered child porn. Here read this: "Because numerous teens have been charged with sexting or possession of child pornography as a result of their school or the police searching their cell phones, know your rights about this issue and when the police can read your text messages." Or how about this other: "

                        In 2007, a Florida state court prosecuted a sixteen-year-old girl, A.H., for electronically sending nude pictures of herself to her seventeen-year-old boyfriend."

                        The court charged A.H. and her boyfriend with producing, directing, and promoting child pornography. Under Florida’s child pornography laws, A.H. faces a severe prison sentence and may be required to register as a sex offender for the remainder of her life if convicted." I thought I would let you know, because it's obvious that the law and you don't see eye to eye. This new morality witch hunt is going too far, but people are too stupid to do something about it. America, home of hypocrisy to the nth degree calls a minor a sexual predator and she has to bear that innocent prank for life, while war crimes and the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent children by this "Christian and democratic" nation go unpunished. If this isn't hypocrisy to the nth degree, the hypocrisy doesn't exist.

                        • 6 votes
                        #10.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:40 PM EST

                        Hell no you are only partially correct, while the florida law makes sending nude images of underage children a crime, there is no stipulation as to the age of the person transmitting the images...its not very likely they will fully prosecute her for sexting,...but they will likely make an example of her....there are plenty of reasons why a child should not send nude images on thier cell,...horror stories like the one where a man posed as a teenage girl and coned several teenage boys into sending nude images to him then he used those to blackmail them into having sex with him....fortunately he got busted,...as "fun" as this technology might seem to some,..its fraught with potential hazzards, and can ruin your life with one push of the send button....

                        as for this article,...the groin grab is inapropriate for a nine year old performing in front of an audience of catholic parents,...who ever gave the performance a pass should be repramanded...they only suspended the boy, its not a life sentence for gods sakes...if he got caught smoking or swaring or any number of other offensive things he would get suspended as well, rules are rules....he'll get over it.

                        • 5 votes
                        #10.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST
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                        Cast the first stone!!

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST

                        I took a nap then woke up and read this. I panicked and quickly read the date. Ok, it is 2012 not 1912, phew.

                        Fundraiser, 9 year old, no one took a moment to review what he was going to do before he did it on stage.

                        You don't punish a child for adult stupidity.

                        • 24 votes
                        Reply#12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST

                        Oh pin yun, A little research would show that the people who witnessed his rehearsals did not see him do the groin grab. He knew it would not be permitted.

                        This is a Catholic school, and they have their rules. If you don't like them, don't go there.

                        • 15 votes
                        #12.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:36 PM EST

                        It certainly is inappropriate for a 9 year old to do this, assuming that he did this during rehearsal, you are right about not punishing the child. The parents are the ones that should be shot.

                        • 6 votes
                        #12.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:40 PM EST

                        parents being shot for a 9 yr old expressing/imitating art? If that's the case, better line up a hell of a lot of priests while you're at it, jrl, maybe it will all even out then?

                        • 6 votes
                        #12.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:55 PM EST

                        With ya on that ohhpinnyunn. If they approved his dance then they shouldn't turn around and punish him for it. That only teaches the kid that its ok to lie or change things to suit yourself when you feel like it and not be fair. Whomever approved his rehearsal was asleep at the wheel and is now not being held responsible for their lack of attention. Great lesson to teach a 9 year old.

                        • 6 votes
                        #12.4 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST

                        Fantomdog - To say that anything this Jackson person did was in any way art is stretching the imagination beyond the credible.

                        • 4 votes
                        #12.5 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:29 PM EST

                        "parents being shot for a 9 yr old expressing/imitating art?" the crotch grab is not art...lol...it was offensive when MJ did it, and its offensive when a 9 year old mimics it....this so called dance move is nothing more than someone motioning the viewer to perform oral sex on him....thats where the crotch grab came from...its no better than flipping the bird or making mock masturbation movements....anyone who thinks that is art has the mind of slug.

                        • 7 votes
                        #12.6 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:38 PM EST

                        phantomdog--you seriously call Michael Jackson imitation art?

                        • 4 votes
                        #12.7 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:43 PM EST

                        Janet Jackson had a dance approved by the NFL for a Super Bowl halftime show. I guarantee it didn't involve a boob during rehearsal. I'm pretty sure the kid didn't grab his crotch when he presented his performance, either.

                        • 3 votes
                        #12.8 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:06 AM EST

                        oksoimgay, Jean, Drew, maybe you didn't get it, so I'll draw you a picture. YOU want to kill someone over a 9 yr old's gesture? I can tell intelligent thinking went out the window with your immature responses.

                          #12.9 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:59 AM EST

                          While I can think of alot of reasons people should be shot this isn't one of them.

                            #12.10 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:38 AM EST

                            Fantomdog - you apparently can not dissect your own comments and correlate the responses. One more time...."To say that anything this Jackson person did was in any way art is stretching the imagination beyond the credible." "intelligent thinking went out the window with your immature responses" seems to be your forte'.

                              #12.11 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:51 AM EST

                              well when you do M> J> you gotta check and see if you didnt forget to pack

                              then you show everybody that its still there

                              all he was doing is imitating what is shown a hundred times a day on tv he didnt make up the move just to show off

                                #12.12 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 11:20 AM EST

                                Years ago I saw a woman slapping the hands of a small child two years old or so. She was nearly hysterical because the boy had discovered something on his body. Her reaction was to be mortified and over-react. The CHURCH has conquered various peoples all over the world for millennia and part of the destruction of these various cultures is the indoctrination into belief systems about sex which I believe are very unhealthy and ultimately lead to people feeling very conflicted about their sexuality. The negativity of original sin appears to be evolving so it's not as brutally interpeted and enforced as it once was but I still find the concept to be repulsive as it maligns a natural aspect of ourselves. So, I I have learned a little here and a little there, I know the CHURCH has done many wonderful things for many people however their own blind ethnocentrically motivated obliteration of numerous cultures in the name of God is unforgivable, you won't see me attending mass any time soon. This fanfare is ridiculous, just as catholic priests murdering innocents in the name of God for more ages than our country has been formed was ridiculous. Know from wence you come from and learn from past mistakes so you don't revisit them. May we all find peace and God bless us all.

                                  #12.13 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:03 AM EST
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                                  as michael jackson would say as doing so...A woohooo oh uh yea *spin*

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST

                                  Nothing good will come from the comments about a boy grabbing his crotch at a Catholic school.

                                  • 7 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST

                                  To Nymike, why not? This is a great opportunity to discuss how silly this church is and how it winks at really terrible behavior and makes an example out of a 9 year old. Should the kid have done this, no. He was imitating something he thought was cool. I suspect you never did anything wrong as kid. Perhaps you had a church official with you a lot. HMMMMM

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #14.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:11 AM EST

                                  NYMike, I think that's great! You didn't say too much, as a lot of the posts do. Make the reader think a little. There are so many things that you could say. I mean hell, I don't even know which side of the argument your'e on. It made me laugh!!!

                                    #14.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:11 AM EST

                                    I suspect you never did anything wrong as kid.

                                    I suspect you read too much into a simple obvious comment while adding wild speculation about someone you know nothing about.

                                    Of course I did wrong as a child. All of us did. That's not what my statement was about though, was it?

                                    There is no secret undertone to my comment. People have views on the church and what it has done to children in the past. To post an article like this will not only bring out the "fondling" comment en mass, it will also bring out posters like you that try to be clever.

                                    bad guy, I am taking no side. Just pointing out the fact that this article opens up the flood gates for comments related to men touching boys.

                                      #14.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:19 AM EST
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                                      It seems the parents were ok with this, so Principal Bowlin should be disiplining them not the 9 year old whose parents obviously thought it was cute.

                                      • 8 votes
                                      Reply#15 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST

                                      I agree with you. At that age most inappropriate anger is sanctioned in the home. I have a 4 year old nephew whose father (yes, my brother) thinks it is cute to bring him to Hooters and tells him to grab the waitresses behinds as they lean over with the food. The boy does it, not knowing why he is doing it, but all the guys laugh and the poor waitress doesn't know how to react, because he is only a baby. But in 10 years that baby is still going to think that is funny because that was what he was taught. Unfortunately as a teenager it will be considered assault.

                                      I'm not a prude. I don't care how adults act in private or while out having a good time as long as it is all consentual. But I think parents are responsible for keeping children acting like children, not mimicking adult behaviors because it is cute.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #15.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 6:33 AM EST
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                                      Before now to this kid it was nothing more than a dance move. If it was seen in rehearsals why was there a problem . If it was to some offensive then explain to the young boy why , and try to be more seletive next time . Dont just suspend him your there to TEACH . Do your jobs and TEACH. this is your opprotunity . The whole problem is that teachers now are taught to be sheep like everyone else. The parents tell the kids they dont have to listen to anyone but them. But the parents dont tell them anything . And the teachers are left in the middle with their hands tied. I dont belive in hitting anothers child , but if i were a teacher the kids would know how loud i can be , but again you cant yell at little Billy.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#16 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:31 PM EST

                                      Silly little Billy

                                        #16.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:35 PM EST

                                        Mike... Theres no reason to yell at little Billy but, talking is productive, try it sometime with your students...

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #16.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:24 PM EST

                                        You are a teacher if you have any contact with children at all. They are taught more by aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings, people that they see just in everyday life than at school.

                                          #16.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:48 AM EST
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                                          ...better to grab it before the priest does.

                                          It could have been worst. A wardrobe malfunction or...

                                          A simulated sex move with some dry humping..."DANCE MOVE" of course.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#17 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:32 PM EST
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                                          Utterly Appalling. Reminds me of my altar boy days. lol

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#18 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST

                                          Kindly explain your comment.

                                            #18.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST
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                                              Reply#19 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST

                                              Seems a bit hysterical. When 9 year-olds guard the soccer goal during a free kick, aren't they encouraged to use a similar gesture to protect themselves?

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#20 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST

                                              yeah but you don't go.. "EEEEEEEEE-HEEEEEEE!!!"

                                              while doing it.

                                              • 7 votes
                                              #20.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:39 PM EST

                                              You would if you got hit by a soccer ball there. >.<

                                              • 10 votes
                                              #20.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:57 PM EST

                                              Fantomdog, fell out of my seat on that one! Perfect!

                                                #20.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:36 PM EST

                                                protecting yourself and grabbing yourself for an attempt to get a few laughs are two totally different situations

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #20.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 2:51 AM EST

                                                Being ignorant and repulsive is acceptable in sports, not everyday life.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #20.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST
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                                                I feel it's an inappropriate move for any 9 year old in private or public school. Some parents should try being parents instead of friends. Teaching proper public behavior is always in the childs best interest.

                                                • 19 votes
                                                Reply#21 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:34 PM EST

                                                Judging from the number of people defending his move on this thread, do you suppose they go around grabbing their crotches in public just to see what reaction they get?

                                                • 4 votes
                                                #21.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:35 PM EST

                                                Just Me, I'm sure you've never done 'anything' to draw attention to yourself or to get a reaction. smh

                                                  #21.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 1:08 AM EST

                                                  ya..why do anything in a performance, at a charity fund raiser, to draw attention, to the performer...ya...stupid performers should just stand still with heads in a bucket of sand and let some church music play...and no lights...lights are a sin...

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #21.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:52 AM EST

                                                  Why did they let a 9 year old perform to billie jean in the first place? So he cant grab his crotch but he can sing about lovers and the paternity of a baby? lol

                                                    #21.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:41 AM EST
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                                                    This is the problem, there are actually people who don't see anything wrong with this. At 9 years of age. Kind of inappropriate don't you think.

                                                    • 10 votes
                                                    Reply#22 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:35 PM EST

                                                    No more inappropriate than having 9 yr old girls dressed up with makeup and clothes to look older for those child pageants, eh?

                                                    • 18 votes
                                                    #22.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST

                                                    Or teaching 3-4 year old "majorettes" how to sashay their hips, then wonder why you have so many teenage rapes later. Visit a Caribbean Carnival sometime and watch their kids' parades. From the youngest "majorettes" on up in age, they all know how to swivel their hips, but they sure don't know how to twirl that baton.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #22.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:35 PM EST

                                                    That is just it, since there are more people that don't see anything wrong with it, it must be just that. There is nothing at all wrong with it. Get a little laugh out of it.

                                                    It is inappropriate that that we are even hearing about this on the news. I think the principal made a disgrace for himself instead or he is just trying to hide something else. I would take that kid out of Catholic school and put him into a Public school.

                                                    You can't hold the world back from kids in Catholic schools, they do need to "Live and Learn" and not just "Live" by the ridiculous rules of the Catholic schools.

                                                      #22.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                                                      The "ridiculous rules" in Catholic schools teach discipline. Something the public schools lack a lot of. Because of their discipline, the kids also learn faster. The public schools always seem to be about a year behind the Catholic schools.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #22.4 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST

                                                      The catholic girls I knew in school were the wildest, hardest partying ones. And usualy their parents provided the alcohol.

                                                        #22.5 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:58 AM EST
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                                                        Schools are WAY too suspend-happy these days. I'm tired of reading articles about a 7-year old being suspended because he made a fake gun out of a slice of bread at lunch, or a 10-year old being suspended because he said his teacher was cute.

                                                        • 9 votes
                                                        Reply#23 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:36 PM EST

                                                        totally agree Ryan!

                                                        • 3 votes
                                                        #23.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST
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                                                        WTH is wrong with people? Why are you defending this? I don't want anyone telling me what to do with my body or deciding what's appropriate behavior in my bedroom but I am an ADULT! Why do you think it's ok for a 9 year old child to grab his crotch in public? Come on now, this is clearly inappropriate anywhere let alone on a stage at a school function. Why would anyone think a young boy should be emulating adult behaviour that really isn't even appropriate for an adult to do in public. Honestly if you're that focused on your genitalia find somewhere private to play with it. No problem with masterbation I just don't think it should be a public matter.

                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        Reply#24 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST

                                                        He was dancing, not masturbating. Kinds always emulate adults, that is how they develop. Sometimes they emulate things that are inappropriate if seen through the eyes of an adult, but when understood from the perspective of a child, still innocent.

                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        #24.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:47 PM EST

                                                        Taziar, kids also need to be taught what's socially acceptable behavior and what isn't. Grabbing one's crotch in public is NOT socially acceptable behavior. So when a kid does something like this the behavior needs to be corrected, preferably by the parents, but if he does it at a school performance then the school has every right to step in.

                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        #24.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST

                                                        In teacherese, they missed a "teachable moment" here. Low key, not a bigee, explain that it isn't done in polite society. Then, get on with life.

                                                        • 7 votes
                                                        #24.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:25 PM EST
                                                        Comment author avatarTom McCallvia Facebook

                                                        Right on big ed, my sentiments exactly.

                                                          #24.4 - Wed Feb 8, 2012 5:03 PM EST
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                                                          proamerica-1148973

                                                          " ......Pedophile junkie at 25."

                                                          He may inevitably become a priest, but how do you know he'll have a drug problem?

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          Reply#25 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:38 PM EST

                                                          Why did Michael Jackson grab his crotch anyway? Was he checking to make sure it was still there? Michael Jackson never was a good role model! He was a little mixed up and he's not a good example to follow! Billie Jean is an adult themed song not for children to be singing! A child needs to be brought up in a proper environment not in an anything goes atmosphere! At least he didn't do a Jim Morrison and whip it out!

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #25.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST
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