Maybe he'll get his own show on FOX as the real life version of Homer Simpson

Intelligence. You won't see him posting here.

So what super powers did he receive after his dunk in the radio active pool?

So far, the only new ability is he has is wife is not bothered by him turning on the night light when he makes that occasional middle of the night trip to the bath room.

Can't say it was the kids who forgot to flush either... just turn off the light, see if the water glows.

Talk about a major klutz. Leans over to pick up a flashlight and manages to fall into a pool of mildly radioactive water. The fact that he was wearing a life jacket at the time suggests to me that this may not be the first time this has happened. In any case, he got a lower dose of radiation than someone who has a couple of x-rays done at the hospital, so he will not suffer any ill effects. They have an excellent safety record at the plant and I am sure that the low dose he received was in part because the other workers reacted quickly and got him out and into a decontamination shower before he received much of a dose. I drive past the San Onofre plant on a regular basis (at least once a month) and have never had any concerns about the plant. I only live about 12 miles away as the crow flies, so if anything major ever went wrong I would probably know about it pretty quickly

@farmkid1

maybe the boys are a nite light now ???

What was the name of that Chevy Chase movie in which he got dosed with that radioactive goop....

@ docholliday...hello...the rods aren't in the pool, they're in the containment vessel.

DocHolliday --

He didn't fall into a "pool full of Nuclear rods". He fell into a "pool more than 20 feet deep that holds water that circulates through the reactor core." There's a big difference.

He received about 1.25 times the amount of radiation one is exposed to during a chest xray. He was back to work the same day. Not all accidents at nuclear plants are catastrophic.

Doc: the water is just plain water,it's not heated or anything. Wouldn't make much sense to superheat cooling fluid,would it?

Talk about a spin within a spin within a spin.....

Guy falls 20 feet into radioactive pool and lives to glow again.... LOL

If he went back to work after that fall it was because he was in shock, embarassed at his supposed clumsiness, and in a adrenaline high from having fallen 20 feet and lived....LOL

Anyone believe that he was not more impacted than these folks are stating? Was he sealed in a hazmat suit? Was he wearing a mask etc? Hope there was no tear in the suit if he was wearing one, and luckily he could swim.

Probably happened during the daytime.... wait until he starts to glow at night ... or if he should father any children after this incident... the kids should be checked for being able to glow at will or when they cry. LOL

Anyhoo, and untowards will no doubt show up years from now anyway..... perhaps this was how evolution started... with a little accident...LOL

New species in the making.... LOL No doubt scientists will be monitoring him and his family for ever.... LOL

Remember during the gusher in the gulf we were told that only about 1000 barrels of oil was being spilled then it went up to 5000 when it was obvious that it was a heck of a lot more than what was stated. Look how many thousands and thousands of barrels a day was noted later. I think I will wait for the revised radiation exposure count.... LOL

Peace.... maths count....

Rowan Moon:

I think the Chevy Chase movie was called Modern Problems...or something like that. Says the guy in the wheel chair after beating Chevy Chase at basketball, I hope you don't mind that I'm stupin' your wife.

About the article:

The water is no more irradiated than it is! For what that water is doing that seems pretty dang good as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you all for setting DocHolliday straight. I needed to hear you do that, just as much as he needed it. Thanks!

Doh...

People pay good money to visit Radium hot springs, they should bill him for the prividge.

hey BZ. it was a 20 foot deep pool, he didnt fall 20 feet. now for you to add LOL to the end of all your bold type statements after not even understanding the article in the first place is LOL.

@BZe1: There are a ton of problems with your post, but I'm just going to point out the biggest one - you could be quoting Einstein, and I still wouldn't be able to take you seriously, thanks to all those "LOL"s you felt you had to throw in there.

EDIT: Seems soarsis beat me to it... LOL. :P

Talk about a spin within a spin within a spin.....

Guy falls 20 feet into radioactive pool and lives to glow again.... LOL

BZe1

whew hoo, BZe1 keep 'em coming. Is that a drum-cymbal crash I hear? No doubt this will provide fodder for late night talk show hosts for weeks to come.

...and The Toxic Avenger is born!

Doc...so..because YOU are really, really ignorant of what goes on at a nuclear energy facility that means something doesn't add up?

And BZE...don't you EVER imply that you speak on the side of "science" or "maths" again. NONE of what you posted was even remotely scientifica, mathematical, or even intellgient.

First off, for some of you a remedial course in reading comprehension might help you out a bit. He did not fall 20 feet into a pool of radioactive water. He fell into a pool of radioactive water that is 20 feet deep. Big difference. He wasn't wearing a life jacket because the EPA says he has to. He is wearing one because either his boss said so or it is a OSHA rule and regulation. Whether it actually saved his life or not would depend on his ability to simply tread water and swim. It's not like he was knocked unconscious or anything seeing he went back to work the same day.

@JS

You and I live about equal distances from SONGS. Let me tell you a little about their safety record and retaliation against their employees. They both suck . The plant is run by So. Cal. Edison (SCE). They have been under a microscope here lately for all kinds of safety violations for the last several years. The NRC keeps having open public forums at the doubletree hotel in Dana Point and I have been to most of them. Some of the issues in the past deal with things such as a main emergency generator out of fuel, personnel safety equipment violations and faulty sensor equipment as well as faulty public warning alarms and sirens.

There was foreman who reported a safety concern and they removed him from his position. Since they did that, he went to one of the forums at the doubletree, sat in the front row and when the public forum started he waited his turn and then told the whole room how he had been punished for his reporting a safety concern to the NRC rep onsite like he was suppose to under law. About a week later I see this guy on the local news and the story is how he was just suspended without pay from his job on some trumped up charge by SCE. He was being supported by a large group of his co workers who also were speaking out against SCE. Some of them were later retaliated against by SCE. Those lawsuits and court cases are still winding themselves through our legal system and I am quite sure SCE is spending a lot of money just trying to delay and stall for more time, for more time, for more time.....

Now don't get me wrong as I am all for nuclear energy as long as every precaution and safety measure is applied to its full extent. I don't want to rely on whether the wind is blowing or if the sun is out in order to be able to turn on the lights when I get home from work. But I don't want to glow in the dark either. I want Nuke power and I want it done at the maximum safest level it can be done. But SCE doesn't see it that way. They rather cut corners in the area of safety to save a few bucks. They are notorious for using the bare minimum requirements. Every time there is an incident it takes days for the public to find out. How is that going to help you or I in case an actual public safety incident happens there? I spent 20 years in the Navy and served aboard several Nuke powered vessels. The Navy has a flawless record working with nuke power and I want the civil nuke industry to be run like them and or by them.

Right now none of the reactors at SONGS are up and running. Unit 3 is down for outage work by Westinghouse and Areeva is there to refuel reactor #2. This was a scheduled maintenance. Unit 2 just got shut down this week because there is a leak in the steam generation system where it is pumping about 50 gallons of water per day from the primary system into the secondary system. This system is only about 2 years old as they replaced it and the turbine back then. Areeva did the work. The piping and tubing were made in Japan and knowing how cheap SCE is they had the lowest bidder do it. It seems the metal is inferior as the tubing wall thickness is 20% decayed, gone, vanished! Would love to know who signed off on the metal tubing quality.

SCE can't be trusted. Last year they replaced the electrical meters with these new digital ones and the nicest little old widow in my neighborhood who I help look after had a bill come in for over $600.00. She called to complain and they basically told her to pay or have her power cut off. She was told that there was no way the meter was faulty and that she must have used it all up and that her old meter may have been faulty and she was getting away with using more electricity than she was paying for. She lives alone and is 88 years old. How much electricity can she possibly use? I know for a fact her whole house is lit with CFL bulbs because I put most of them in for her. I also know for a fact that her average monthly electric bill is about 75 dollars as I and my wife took care of her bills for her when she was out of town for 3 months. The first bill we paid for her was $75 and the next was under $30. Enough to run her fridge and alarm clock I suppose.

Long story short, one of our other neighbors is a "nasty" (his description) lawyer. He got involved, called SCE, and insisted they come out, replace the meter on her house with the one on his house, have the police impound the suspected faulty meter and see what the results for the next billing period would be and face legal issues. SCE quickly declined, came out replaced her meter and forgave the $600 bill for a bill that was 50% of her last bill under the old meter. HMMMMM.

I'm surprised nobody else has said this. WHY WAS THIS EVEN A STORY?!

Homer Simpson needed his afternoon Energy Drink.

* D'OH! *

@BZe1

It never said how far he fell, just that the pool itself is 20-feet deep. He might have only fallen around 8 to 12 feet assuming there was a rail around the containment pool.

Well guys you got me. I should have stated he fell in a pool of low radiation level water that was 20 feet deep. My bad.... Sooo sorrwee. :(

Punished myself with a wet noodle slap across the fingers... both hands at, the same time.

Amazing that flotation devices allows one to fall into a pool of water and simply stay on top of the water. Great.... he didn't even sink first and then surfaced..... that is one firm water or perhaps it is so like jello, or rubber? Yeah, it was like rubber, he fell in and simply bounced on that soft yet firm surface.

Out of curiosity, so he fell over the edge into the pool that was 20 foot deep... was it head first or feet first? Never mind....

Seeing that he weighed no more than his floatation device he should be ok, 'cause he stayed on the surface, never breaking the surface of the water. Doubt he swallowed any water either, or any got in any orifice....

On the other hand who cares? He had minimal exposure to radiation anyway. Only as much as or less than a chest x-ray.... to his whole body.

No wonder he 'bounced' back so quickly......

No Dayglo award for this guy... He will just have to wait like everybody else for the next step in evolution.... :(

Such a lucky fellow.... :)

Alright...maths don't count.... scales don't either....questioning anything? Nah....Science? meh...

Better now, JK et al ?

Peace..... and glow.... :

Heads or tails...... :)

He'll be a hit at Rave parties!

Won't need a flashlight again.

He now has that ever-so youthful healthy glow.

Plus he can now count to "7" on each hand and foot.

What is the name of the three-eyed fish on that real early Simpson's episode?

Bet he keeps a nickname with the rest of his co-workers for the rest of his carreer and into retirement. Like, Mark Spitz or Michael Phelps. Maybe Greg Luganeous if his fall/dive was graceful and he made just a gay little splash.

maybe he will become a giant Amonzian creature. That's how the Clinton administration created The big beast, Janet Reno.

Beoweolf

Thank God for the EPA for the life preserver rule!...

I believe that would be (cal)OSHA or perhaps the NRC (they don't need their cooling water contaminated or blocked after all), not the EPA

Why have we not built a containment system for plants like this. After Japan it clearly looks like it needs it.

The worker was a lucky man. If he had fallen into any of the waste that is generated by nuclear power, he would be dead. This waste has to be totally isolated from everything in our environment for thousands of years. Anyone/corporation who guarantees they can do this, is a liar. Nuclear anything is just another example of money triumphing over common sense. I am glad to see some nations are honest enough to outlaw nuclear power. If we ever (doubtful) remove money from politics, hopefully America will also make nuclear plants illegal.

The official at Chernobyl and Three Mile Island also said a small incident had occured in the nuke power plant. Nothing to worry about. At Tsushima(sic), the PR people also dismissed or minimized any significant nuke damage until it was obvious two of the four plants had catastrophic meltdowns (China Syndrome). As for SONG, the SCE PR folks spin the same kind of lies to protect their multi-billion dollar investment.

In the 60s, the proponent of electricity from nuke plants said electricity would to be too cheap to even measure. The Atomic Energy Commission, the predecessor of ther NRC, and through the 'revolving door' the stooges of the nuke industries all said nuke power is safe. Some of their propaganda: Nuke waste is easily disposed of ; Any nuke accident would be contained within the fortified nuke building; Plutonium waste is so safe you can swallow a teaspoon of it per year without any harmful effect.

Several nuke accidents later, these lies exploded in their face.

The risk and liability of nuke plant are so great that not a single or multiple private insurance company in the world will insure a nuke plant. American nuke plants were built only after a Congressional act that placed all of the American people as the insurer with limited liability.

If the naive American people only knew........

Fat Cat, I can say as a Navy nuke, that alot of what you say is not only wrong, but just downright propaganda. TMI did not release much radiation at all. Nuclear power is infact safe, and I have NEVER, EVER heard that swallowing any Pu(any isotope) is safe, that being said, you receive doses of radiation all day, everyday.

One wonders why we have such a problem communicating. Doc Holiday comments about the guy falling into a pool of water that has radioactive rods in it. Doesn't seem to have read the article but likes to hear himself talk. Try going to http://docholliday2979123.newsvine.com/ and read some of his posts. It lets you see how some people just want to tear down and never offer any positive way that we can correct the problems we have in this country.

"I drive past the San Onofre plant on a regular basis (at least once a month) and have never had any concerns about the plant. I only live about 12 miles away as the crow flies, so if anything major ever went wrong I would probably know about it pretty quickly."

So what's the difference between this nuclear power plant built along the Pacific Ocan in an earthquake prone state and Japan? Hmm?

Sharkto~ Good question. Any answers from the Gallery???

OldThang,

The biggest difference is the location of the back-up generators. At San Onofre the are higher above the water. Without the back up generator, both plants are history.

Jim I know a navy man that would disagree with you as he is currently dying of cancer from the nuclear waste he was exposed to while in the navy. he was assured that what he was handling was safe and in no way dangerous turns out that was a lie.

Jungle jim

Also do not forget that the fukushima plant was its own grid. There was no way to run power from other plants to it when it was needed. Here in So Cal the SONGS plant is connected to the grid and can have power sent in on the same lines it sends it out. In esence, if the generators fail like in Japan then they can get electrical power straight in on the lines from one of the many gas powered plants located around So. Cal. including the one in Huntington Beach or the Tamarack plant in San Diego County. I also believe that they can get power from a power station on Camp Pendleton. So the risk of them not having power to run the cooling pumps in an emergency has been countered by about 3-4-5 plants within 50 miles.

Oh yeah, he's fine! Radiation equivalent to a chest xray....says the nuclear plant dr.

Radiation equivalent to a chest xray

That's why when he takes his shirt off you can see his ribs and heart

Can someone explain what happens to this water that surround these nuclear rods are disposed of or is disposed of?

Is this water turned into steam and eventually evaporates or simply gets topped up as needed?

So some of this radioactivity leeches into this water because it surrounds all these radioactive rods.... and the pool is 20 feet deep.... how much water was in the pool at the time? How concentrated was the radioactivity in the water at that time?

How long was the worker in this water before he was rescued? What sort of clothing was he wearing? Was he encased from head to toe in a barrier suit including with a closed breathing aparatus thus none of the water touched his skin or any portion of his anatomy?

Did he accidently - out of the shock and surprise of falling into the pool- ingest any of this 'low' level radioactive water? What is the effect of ingesting -accidently or otherwise- this low level radioactive water? How can the doctor or medical personnel who examined this man be a hundred percent sure that the level of his exposure was similar to a chest x-ray? Are the effects of repeatedly being exposed to low level radiation accumilate over time ie repeated exposure to same?

If he was in the water awaiting rescue could this be similar to several chest x-rays back to back to back within a short period of time?

Couldn't it still be stated that his exposure was similar to that of a chest x-ray, which could or would be true..... On the other hand it was not stated how long the worker was in the pool of water that circulated in the core resulting in low level radioactive water, nor any mention of the type of protective attire he was wearing - except for the life perserver jacket- at the time or if these could impact the amount of chest x-ray level radiation the worker was exposed to from the look of things. Of course I could be wrong and missed that part in the article.

No matter what this company can still state they have a glowing record..... :)

Peace... glow and grow....

BZe1. Get a grip. The guy is fine. Every glass of water you drink has some radiation in it, doesn't mean you are going to die.

No matter how many irrelevant questions you ask, the situation will not get any worse. If not for your sort of fear-mongering, this wouldn't even be news.

JB-2997838 So You do not think that minor accident in Nuclear plants should be " Newsworthy"?

BZe1

To answer your questions.

The water itself is not radioactive. It does contain radioactive particles within it. Think of it as tiny little rocks in the water. Over time this water does naturally evaporate. When this water evaporates it leaves behind these rocks just as if you boiled a pot full of salt water the salt stays behind. To further ensure that no radioactive gasses are entrained in the water that is being evaporated suction fans are located at the surface of the water that run through charcoal filters that remove any contaminates that could have built up. Any losses in pool water level are made up by adding more water. To further reduce the contaminates that are in the water the spent fuel pool water is continuously run through what are called Demineralizers which are in essence like huge Brita water filters that filter out the contaminates.

To understand this it is critical to know the difference between contamination and radiation. It can best be thought of as fire. The contamination is fire and radiation is the heat from that fire. If you reduce the contamination (fire) you reduce the amount of radiation (heat) generated. So the methods mentioned above are how spent fuel pools reduce the overall concentration of radioactive particles in the water. This reduces the overall radiation levels for the area and the actual contamination levels in the pool.

Furthermore, the amount of contamination in the pool in the last decade has been drastically reduced by the fuel rod designs which are designed not to leak any of the fuel they contain. The actual fuel material is not the rod itself but rather what the rod is filled with. The rod itself is nothing more than a hollow steel tube that is filled with a sand like material that contains pellets of nuclear fuel (uranium). As long as the rod is intact this material will not escape. In the past, some of these rods would rupture, known as leakers, and some of the material would leak into the pool. Most of which was filtered out by the above mentioned demineralizers. With advances in metalergy and better understanding of flow dynamics with in a nuclear reactor better rod designs have been made and rarely ever leak.

It is also important to note that this water does not travel through the reactor but rather a pool that contains the spent nuclear fuel.

As for his clothing, he was likely just wearing his work uniform (pants and shirt) along with the life preserver. After he fell in he was likely stripped of all his clothing and made to take a shower at a decontamination shower. After which he was monitored for any contamination left on his skin and further deconed until it was all gone. As for any he may have ingested he would have gotten to 'hug the pig' which is an extremely sensitive radiation detector that is a fairly big round thing that you hug for five minutes that can tell if there is any contamintion in your lungs, stomach, or other internal organs. This device is so sensitive it can detect if you ate a banana because of the potassium in bananas.

In determining his dose he recieved (amount of radiation) he was wearing his radiation badge that is on him all the time that measures his dose for the year and another device that is put on everytime you enter a radiation area. The readings from these devices in concert with the readings taken from his decontamination efforts and the 'pig' are calculated to determine his actual dose received, in this case 5 milliRem. For effects on the human body you could research any number of websites that would tell you there is no damage done. You get around 200 milliRem a year from the sun and naturally occuring isotopes just being on the Earth. More if you travel by plane since there is less atmosphere to shield the radiation.

The amount of water in these pools is in the tens of thousands of gallons and I can tell you straight of one inaccuracy in this article. The pool is well more than twenty feet deep. It should state he fell into water that was twenty feet deep until the top of the spent fuel. So the pool is actually the length of a control rod plus about twenty feet of water. As for as how far he actually fell is less than a foot. In the article it states that he was trying to recover a flashlight he dropped into the pool (which the flashlights used float or have a flotation device attached to them) so one can infer that the flashlight was within reach.

I hope this answers all your questions. As for the glowing part don't believe the hype nothing glows green... It glows blue!!! But just around rods that are freshly out of the core and only for a couple of inches around the fuel. It happens as the gamma radiation travels faster than the speed of light through the water but it quickly slows down and no longer grows. It is actually breath taking to see. For more on that google Cherenkov Radiation.

Thanks for reading.

If anyone believes anything a for profit energy giant has to say about their safety records and exposure their employees have to radiation I have in bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.......

Rich48a -

Wow! Thanks a lot for your detailed post. That was fascinating, and very educational.

Rich48a Excellent post, thank you but will it not be true to say that " natural " radiation is different to that from a Nulcear plant, since the one from the Nuclear plant in most part is " heavy " meaning from a source that does more damage to living cells?

@Eagle; Sorry, but just because radiation is emitted from a nuclear power plant versus does not make it "heavier" than from a natural source. It is the type of radioactive emission (alpha, beta, gamma, or neutron) and the energy of that emission that are the key to any physiological damage from a radiation exposure.

Nuclear power plants generate electricity by setting up a controlled chain reaction, which means that they are generating excess neutrons, with incident gamma emissions. These emissions are at energies that are characteristic for the type of fuel (uranium, plutonium, or others) that power the reactor. The neutrons react with other materials in the reactor core to generate heat, which boils the water to make steam to drive the turbines which generate the electricity from the plant. The steam is then cooled in a heat exchanger, and recirculated into the reactor is a completely closed loop. The cooling water is also recirculated through a completely separate heat exchanger system.

Let's assume, for the purpose of discussion, that the plant is fired by Uranium-235 (a fissionable isotope). The radioactive emissions from naturally occurring U-235 will be exactly the same as the U-235 in the plant. These radiations are well characterized, and can easily be shielded so that the radiation does NOT leave the boundaries of the containment vessel.

Do you ever fly in a commercial jet airplane? Did you know that every hour you spend at altitude in a commercial airliner, you get 0.5 mrem additional exposure to cosmic radiations (which are far more energetic than the gammas or neutrons released by a nuclear power plant)? So if you spend ten hours in an airplane (say a trans-oceanic flight from Detroit to Japan) you will receive exactly the same dose as this guy who fell in the cooling water pool? Does that terrify you? Why?

The average human living on the surface of the planet Earth receives about 350 millirems of radiation exposure every year. That's 70 times what the accident victim received. And most of what he received was beta radiation from the tiny amount of tritium generated by the absorption of neutrons by the water in the reactor! This is no big deal, even if he swallowed some!

This whole article is really another "mountain out of a molehill" scare job.

DCS-318822 Thank you for your comments, from them I however see you do not understand basic physics, there is " heavy " ( Intense radiation Bombardment) " Light Or low dose " (Radiation at a rate that the Body can normalise and eject) radiation indeed I recommend you spend some of the time you use to post inaccurate statements here, to do some reading on Facts, once again thank you.

Just as an example Plutonium 238 compare to 235

Rich4, thank you for your explaination. I do hope the worker was decontaminated as you stated. But unless one is there on site it is impossible to know how long the guy was in the pool, the level of radiation that was in the water etc, as many of these nuclear energy plants are well pass their use by date by even up to 20 odd years. Yet are still in use today, and some have even been given extentions to operate.

It is becoming harder and harder to believe these corporations etc these days.

Lets face facts, it was definately more than 1000 barrels of oil gushing into the Gulf as stated by BP, and even today there is question about the gusher in the gulf, where all the millions of gallions of oil and dispersant have gone etc and even if there isn't actual leaking ongoing.

So why should anyone be willing to believe these companies when they release info about accidents, and not take a wait and see attitude? It is not unusual to downplay risks, exposure and frankly data.

Regarding the 'glow' thing, most folks are joking, because back in the day of black and white movies, scifi movies, folks exposed to radiation etc was shown to 'glow'...LOL

Peace....

but will it not be true to say that " natural " radiation is different to that from a Nulcear plant, since the one from the Nuclear plant in most part is " heavy " meaning from a source that does more damage to living cells

no, the intensity of radiation is determined by the isotope emitting it, nothing more. it doesn't matter if the same isotope is produced in a reactor or refined from naturally occurring materials.

same isotope, same radiation for a given quantity regardless of source.

lol@ Dan welcome back, so tell me how much Plutonium 238 occurs in Nature? and how many Human beings are affected by the " Natural radiation ", then lets look up polonium ok?

Just as an example Plutonium 238 compare to 235

Pu235? no such animal (or isotope), however, Pu238 is used for thermoelectric generators, because the alpha particles that it generates are easily stopped by a piece of paper, and produces few neutrons or gamma rays

it also generates 570 watts of heat per kilogram, which makes it quite warm indeed

Depends if it was cooling water or cooled water.

So what was the point of this whole article, anyway?

Something to dash off on the keyboard before the the reporter took the hell off out the door on Friday afternoon.

He might develop super-stupidity!! that would be so kewl

too late...... lol

FBLonerider, exactlty what i was thinking =)

Ratranger.

For YOUR sake, you'd better hope that your god doesn't exist...

Have a nice day.

No... In the paragraph that was edited out by the liberal media it clearly stated this guy was a card-carrying member of the DNC!

End Obamunism!

Anyone but "Barack the Buffoon" in 2012!

Really, MadMac?

Can you post me a link to this "liberal media" you guys keep refering to?

I'm having trouble finding some. All I seem to run into is the Conservative Nattering eNablers (CNN) or Fox Newts.

Have a nice day.

liberal media = msnbc.com :-P

P.S. CNN & FOX News are so so... I much prefer accurate journalism from the likes of Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh!

Reported.

If you so dislike it here, why bother? Please, leave us.

MadMac... you are howlin.....man, howlin...LOL

Love, love, love .... your nuze source..... Limbaugh N Beck.... LOL Call em Limbeck

And now its time for the T'repcondino newz hour..... brought to you by the T'repconduo Limbeck.... Presenting the Limbeck Newz Minute...... Fauxd.....again......

What a hoot.....LOL

he had a life perserver (the life line in this case) and the small dose is about teh same as getting x-rayed, although I was expecting him to be fried. untill I read that he fell into a working pool with fresh warter poring in constantly.

Yep .... you fell on company time, but you were fired before you landed.

I know of a company that would have said something like, "He received a large dose of radiation, but he was wearing his gloves (consistent with our glove policy), so his hands were not injured.

Do you really think a company is going to tell the media that someone was exposed to a large dose of radiation?

Why wouldn't they fire this man that doesn't have all the lights on inside? What would have happened if he did a dumb thing like that and got too much irradiation? No one wants to be sued because some employee does an idiotic thing. And he would, and would probably set for qite a bit out of court if he's like most people.

Well...it is a nuclear POWER plant...so he probably has all the lights on inside now, they may be green, but they're on! lol!

Just like the Fukushima 'scare' eh? Here I was at Yokosuka naval base in Japan and my parents call me up in a panic, "Ah! Get out of there!" and I'm like, 'what?' Our aircraft carrier runs on nuclear power and you're freaking out about a power plant 200 km away? :P

You would rather her about the priest who "mishandled" all the young boys or the overdoses on drugs or the freak that shot up the college? Though sad for the person that fell in, seems it has a good ending. I'll take that.

What's your point hitchiker? I calls em like I sees em...I never plugged for fox, I don't advocate to anyone where they should get there news and views from. I too believe fox has bias from the other end of the spectrum...

Now quit trolling...I'm not taking the bait.

They are trying to say that Fox is not fair and balanced and that MSNBC is.

You are correct Gumball – this “guy falls into contaminated nuclear pool” non-story is just an excuse to attempt to revive some fearmongering about the tiny (<.05 gpm) steam generator tube leak that the plant had a few days ago.

If the media reported every minor mishap or equipment failure that happened at every coal, gas, hydro, oil, geothermal, or wind plant around the world they wouldn’t have any time to update us on the Kardashian wedding or Demi Moore’s huffing habits.

While I doubt there is some kind of conspiracy going on, this does seem to be shamelessly sensational reporting at best.

This story is worthy of a 3-paragraph clip in the local paper.

Yeah.

MSN just wanted to "stir up anti-nuclear sentiment." That's what it is.

I weep for your children.

gumballs2000 so? according to you " ignorance along with silence is the best policy?

How do you make that inference Eagle (other than logical fallicy?) Ignorance/silence of what? The routine and mundane? The headline of this article is "nuclear worker falls into reactor pool".

Based on the headline most readers probably had an expectation/reaction something like this:

This sounds serious... I know I like to think safety at nuclear plants is important. How can something that sounds so dangerously reckless happen? Who is running the show at these plants located near our cities? As I continue to read the article, there is no significant impact. A man fell into a pool, not of glowing radioactive soup, but water (thankfully). He received a dose about that of a chest xray. Chest xrays are pretty routine yawn.

However as one continues reading, (and here is where the agenda becomes evident in my mind Eagle) the article relates other safety concerns such as a gas leak, and some alarms that did not go off. Yet the article does not develop necessary additional context, particularly how does this plant compare to other plants around the nation with respect to safety incidents in scope/severity/frequency? How do they perform on inspections? Instead the reader is left with impression that things frequently go wrong at this plant...most people don't like the idea of things going wrong at a nuclear plant, including me. If there were truly any significant problems with incompetent management/poor safety culture/near disasters at the plant, it would be worthy of its own story instead of being vaguely implied and ill supported in this one...

That's my two cents...to each his/her own.

gumballs to be perfectly fair you know going in when you read something from msnbc or fox and many others that there is going to be a slant to the story. So why complain about something that you knew before you ever read the articale unless you have just recently realized this which I highly doubt.

gumballs2000 "the article relates other safety concerns such as a gas leak, and some alarms that did not go off. Yet the article does not develop necessary additional context, particularly how does this plant compare to other plants around the nation with respect to safety incidents in scope/severity/frequency? How do they perform on inspections? "

Ok so then you problems is not with reporting of accidents, but you want an encyclopedic report??

What they reported was accurate, the " arms length " minor accidents and sensors failures are accurate. so would not a short " report " and then some intelligence of readers if that then activates their wish to know more, and hence do an encyclopedic research not be a positive? Why do you make the reporting as a negative?

Eagle I think that he answered your question thoroughly and convincingly.

Kyle-3120596 Eagle I think that he answered your question thoroughly and convincingly.

#5.13 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:58 PM EST

Sory? what comment you talking about?

"Why do you make the reporting as a negative?"

I am not sure why you asked again since he answered it in post number 5.10

This is San Diego, California, not Tromaville, New Jersey

Go Toxi !!!!!!

The city of San Diego is still 45 50 miles south. The power plant sits just South of the San Diego county- Orange County line by about a mile. We locals call it "The Tomb of Dolly Parton". You will know what I mean when you see a pic of it.. 8)

What are you trying to do? Incite common sense??

MIKE NINE YOU MUST BE ONE OF THEM THERE "SCIENTISTS" OR ENGINE-EERS. I DON'T NEED YOUR FANCY SMART-TALK AND YOU CAN JUST TAKE YOUR BOOK LEARNIN' BACK TO THAT BIG DUMB SCHOOL-BUILDING OF YOURS.

(The above post was brought to you by Satire and should not be taken offensively by any human being.)

IT'S ABOUT TIME somebody explains the simple concept of heat transfer used at the power plant. What took you so long, Mike 9? Waiting for a consensus from Mikes 1-8? I crack me up. Once again.

"Homer Simpson NightLight" nyuk-nyuk.

Lol and I'm just asking questions off the wall here but this place has 3 cores and all 3 cores have been found faulty and shut down why? Before you bash me I am for nuclear power. But if if the oil companies that let a refinery burn to the ground before they shut down is any reference then were all damned.

I bet he makes one Heck of a Night Light

see comment #10

Because the reactor cavity pool has high efficiency filters. For the most part the water in the pool has very low activity. Im 100% certain this individual had 5 mrem before he fell in the pool. Falling in the pool for that short of time would not increase his overall dose, unless some water was ingested and they performed a whole body count and adjusted his annual dose accordingly. The average person in the USA receives 300-500 mrem annually from natural radiation sources, and.....if youre living as of this moment....YOU ARE RADIOACTIVE !!!! Look up Potassium-40 (K-40)

How about Carbon-14? There are tons of radioactive isotopes of common elements in nature.

Speaking of Carbon. Everybody should look up how much radiaoactive carbon is released directly into the atmosphere by coal burning plants. It is a little ironic that people look at a cooling tower and think that it is a bunch of radioactivity pouring out when it is actually just water from the lake/ocean that never comes close to touching anything radioactive. While the stacks at a coal plant spew carbon into the air and it isn't even required to be regulated.

Everybody should look up how much radiaoactive carbon is released directly into the atmosphere by coal burning plants

not as much as you would think at first thought, since all the original C14 decayed a couple hundred million of years ago, C14 decays to undetectable levels in under 100,000 years. the radioactive emissions from coal plants are from trace contamination of many other elements

And why shouldn't he get one? Better to be safe than sorry, and might I say he brought it on himself!

LOL !!! It takes an acute exposure of 100 REM (notice REM....not milliRem) for an individual to experience slight, temporary changes in blood chemistry.

lol I bet you'd panic if a random stranger told you that you would die in 1 hour and you'd be running around like a headless chicken for several hours before you notice the time.

This guy isn't smart enough t o do all that, I think, being as he fell in a pool of irradiated water.

You are fearing for the worst in a best-case scenario, but you are wise to recommend that he play it on the safe side and document anything unusual. Even your comment to avoid company-appointed doctors is prudent given the sorry state of ethics in this country.

Do you people ACTUALLY believe that a worker would be allowed to walk that close to water that was contaminated enough to kill a person?

If the water had that much radiation in it, you wouldn't have to fall into it to receive a lethal dose.

You get exposed to more radiation exposure living next to power lines and next to coal power plants than you do living next to a nuclear power plant.

More Radiation is released into the atmosphere by coal power plants than Nuclear power plants.

Now your facts.

Since when does having an accident constitute stupidity?

Accidents happen, whether you're smart or not. Lay off the dude.

Back to the jokes.

What are all the Conservatives talking about?

I thought ALL things nuclear were safe?

Next, they'll be arguing that Nuclear plants shouldn't be regulated when dumping toxic waste into rivers and oceans. But this guy is dumb because he had an accident..

Have a nice day.

nice strawmen, yap.

now , did you actually have an argument in there somewhere, or just a bunch of noise?

Shut yer yap

Why does not Obama shut down all the Nuclear power plants down right now/ Why does not Obama build up coal and oil power plants? Because if he did, the whole USA atmosphere would be like LA's smog.

Why does not Obama have the Chinese (anything made in US just cost to much, just ask D-Senate Reid from Nevada.) build us solar panel and wind mills to make up the difference? why? He knows it is so cost ineffective and that there is not enough available land build on.

Have you ever heard of Yucca Mountain. It was where all the nuclear waste was suppose to be dumped, one secured location. An old abandon salt mine, about a hundred miles from any living sole. Obama cancelled the idea. So now all nuclear waste now has to be keep near everyone in several unsecured location. Great going Obama.

eric, if we built 4th generation advanced breeder reactors and used fuel reprocessing, we could reuse 98% of what is currently considered "waste". that would give us several centuries of power without needing to mine a single ounce of uranium. the advanced breedrs are also "inherently safe" that is they can't melt down even in the event of the loss of all power for coolant recirculation (unlike fukishima and nearly every existing plant in the US today)

So Says Danwill, and now for the Scientific data to Prove that dogma, where is it dan?

Scientific American, December 2005

"smarter use of nuclear waste"

for one.

Is that one based on a running existing plant? Or is it a theoretical what might be, we assume it should be and maybe it may prove to be?

Eagle, it is based on running plants. Problem is they are all in France. The U.S. for some reason has blocked the reprocessing of Uranium. If you looked up the amount of coal or other resources used to make the same amount of electricity as Uranium it would surprise you. It takes a mile and a half long train of coal to match one days output of a nuclear power station. The nuclear fuel lasts about 18 months and even then only about a third of the fuel is replaced. So a single rod lasts about three years and that is without being able to reprocess it.

thirty years ago my uncle published a paper on breeder reactors (Phd nuclear engineering) he's out of the industry now and went on to designing space hardware, including Pu238 thermoelectric power plants for a couple of currently operational space probes

Rich48a I am sure that France will go the same way as Germany and UK, in the Nuclear power, it is Far too costly with none, of the " Pie in the Sky " cleaning and decontamination processes they dreamed will be with us now.

Look up the cost of the UK to clean up the mess left behind, with their minimal Nuclear capacity, over 70 BILLION Pounds and still counting, and the clean up just moves the contaminants from one location to another.

Oh, if only you were the first to say that I'd remember to laugh. Or if you were the second or the third...etc.

He WAS the safety inspector!

Smithers, release the hounds

I know it’s a long way from Alaska, but….

Only if he didn't pee in the pool.

Mr. Burns: Excellent!

The greatest danger to the man was from drowning. The amount of radiation he received was no worse than a chest X-ray. <YAWN> No big deal, gang.

Pretty sure the water got warmer around him as soon as he realized he wasn't dead - yet...

no, the guy actually asked for a BJ...thought it'd be atomic, baby

I think that what "Carl" was trying to say with the "California Liberal" statement was: He developed superhuman intellect.

Have a nice day.

You're fooling yourself. Their isn't liberals and conservatives anymore. Just The Rich and The Whiners. Its nice knowing who you are.