William -stupid people never take a holiday :)

I would have to agree with Katheryn Brandy. But on the other side of the coin, maybe the cops and the FBI should take a lot closer look at this clown. With his liberal use of duct tape, he might be a serial rapist or murderer. This guy, "Ain't right in the head."

@Steve & Veetach: Fight! Fight! Fight!

Please, a minute alone - just me and this cretin- I go a little HORSEPLAY I would like to perform on him. What a duchebag to even suggest something like this to his child.

Attacking another poster...I can see where Steve would take that leap....the internet is full of pedophiles that would certainly gratify themselves from seeing bondage pics of a child in a cage....Someone should check all the fathers recesses and computer files for some sick fetish.

I hear two guys picking on a girl..

steve and veetach your suspended for the day...

"It just doesn't look that funny when you see it in pictures"

Ya gotta have a lady judge! She'll laugh her ass off!

Does this guy, by any chance, work at Gitmo?

Perhaps the best justice here is... put the father and then the brother in the same dog cage.. and give them the same type of "horseplay". Sounds fair to me

Just a little horseplay??? WTF...

Yeah,*Its About Time* only this time (dad&son in cage) we're gonna really hook up the juice! Put 'em on Facebook. (This is sick and I actually didn't mean it).

Steve, the fact that you even thought of digressing in that manner is alarming. Really?

That being said, even if the parent thought it was a joke, he lacks any real judgement that a parent should possess in order to parent. He placed his child at risk, he terrorized her and allowed pictures to be taken so that she could be publicly humiliated. Yes she poured water on his head, but to lack the personal resources to handle it in a more mature manner shows he has no business being a parent.

I wonder what the mother of the children would say. Did anyone go to the Mother's cage and ask?

Jerri1 and Veetach47, the "whoever smelt it dealt it" defense. "Oh, you pointed out a potential problem! That means YOU are the one with the problem!" A transparent device to suppress expression of ideas. No, we don't know if this crime occurred because the father is a sexual sadist but it certainly could be possible.

Sorry.......but I tend to agree with Steve. A "normal" man, a father, would not even dream of exercising such control over his daughter. Anyone believes otherwise is sadly mistaken.

He gets his jollies from bondage and control. What comes next (if it hasn't already).?

This looks like dysfunction to me. Just because the father thinks it's funny doesn't mean it's harmless.

My older brothers learned to amuse themselves at my expense from my father before he left. They were especially cruel. Today I have no contact with them.

Making your kids the butt of the joke is humiliating and degrading. Would you treat an adult this way?

Bencas, I think it is easy to surmise what goes on in Steve's head...!

Anyway. This man's behavior is inexcusable. HORSEPLAY?! I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think being tied up with duct tape and locked in a cage counts as horsing around. Jerry-1, you definitely have a different interpretation than I do, as a former victim of abuse. Just because the son went along with it does NOT mean he had no fear of his father... Just as the daughter pouring water on her father's head did not mean that she was not afraid of him either. I have gone through some pretty horrible experiences, and the son could have gone along with it just to avoid the same treatment. And the daughter may have reacted on impulse (as children often do, especially when they have been cornered in such a way) to strike out at her father for putting her through that, not rationalizing that he would possibly do it again or maybe even something worse. The point is, when children are involved, certain behaviors can NOT take place. They are very impressionable and literal beings, and things like this can affect them for life. Talk about traumatizing experiences!

Horseplay. Sheesh.

A man accused of punishing his 12-year-old daughter by binding her hands and feet with duct tape and sticking her in a dog cage, then threatening to electrify the crate, was just engaging in "some horseplay" that "got out of control," his lawyer says.

This is not horseplay, this is child abuse. Remove the kid and animals from this home, because the next time, he just might go through with it.

This man needs to be locked up.

that dad sounds like a total douche, if I got wind that my husband did that to one of my kids or even one of my pets it would be an action he'd regret for a long time to come.

First off, many of you are repeating the word "horseplay". Keep in mind that explanation comes from the scumbags own attorney. Many of you are also attacking a poster here by claiming that because he has an opinion of what might have been the fathers motive, he must obviously be harboring such evil thoughts. Restraining a near teenage girl hand and foot and threatening her with severe harm can most definitely have sexual overtones, it's called rape. The mentality of some of you boggles the mind. The article has lots of incompletes. Investigators probably got a good deal of info from the kids, I highly doubt it was the father who admitted he threatened the girl with electrocution. Those of you here who claim this type of "play" is innocent or happened in your own families only suggests maybe your own family may be just as dysfunctional.

People bashing Steve and other commenters need to back off. Maybe it was just unbelievably stupid "horseplay", maybe not. If it was, then this guy's living proof that there isn't a cure for "stupid". But this type of "horseplay" with a twelve year old girl--whether his daughter or not--is so inappropriate on so many levels that it's staggering. Binding her with duct tape and confining her helpless in a cage, not once but twice? Photos? Involving his 13 year old son? Threatening her with torture by electrifying the cage? What part of this strikes any sane adult as "horseplay"? The psychosexual undertones are obvious, and would have been there even if the son had been the victim. And abused children often defend the abusing parent out of fear of losing their family, home, and security. That's how abusers get away with it, often for years. Hopefully, that's NOT the case here, but CPS definitely needs to monitor this family.

Ugh, if there is smoke, there is fire and I hope this poor girl was not further abused by this idiot....Reading about women/girls (yes boys, on rare occasion) being imprisoned after a myriad of circumstances just proves there is a war against humanity right now, especially girls and women. How did this unevolved man think he could get away with it??????...ladies teach yourselves and your daughters to be smart and wise. I am beginning to think men really are a failed genectic mess.....(not all of you fellas, there are SOME of you who are nice, kind, respectful, non-violent and non-controlling)....right? By the way, this guys attorney who is using the defense that it is "horseplay" should be giving the same treatment and we shall see if he thinks it is still "horseplay"....attorneys like this are bottom feeders...

What spaceship does this idiot's attorney live on? Tying up his 12 year old daughter, locking her in a cage, threatening her and his attorney calls it "horseplay that got out of hand"? Really?? I'm thinking BOTH attorney and client need to have their heads examined.

I hope someone with sense locks this guy up for a VERY LONG time.

'just engaging in "some horseplay" that "got out of control," '

When the father goes to jail, maybe 'Bubba' will show him some of HIS 'horseplay'.

I agree with Steve. Bondage, sadistic! Threatening a young girl with electricity. The son did let her out, but when the psycho dad told the son to go get the electric prod out of the garage, he should of slipped into the house and called 911 and told them that his sister was locked up in a dog cage and duct taped and his dad was going to electrocute her with the prod. He then could of said I have to go and get it for him, he is forcing me. Please hurry! Then they could of caught him with him threatening her. He would get a much longer sentence. Also taking those pictures, I hope the Prosecutor charges him with child porn. These would qualify for child porn pictures under S and M, bondage dog child fetish. I can't wait till Jesus comes back so we that love Him and Glorify Him won't have to be around such horrible horrible evil vile things anymore! I am praying for the girl and her brother. Where was the mother, couldn't she call 911? Horseplay, a joke? wow and a 50K bond. Some joke! It should be higher! Wish he would skip bond and Dog Chapman hunt him down, and treat him like the dog he is all the way to the pokey. no cigarette, no bottled water, no burrito. No calling mommy or whoever cares about him either!

Agdoc and H3321278 I couldn't agree with you more! If he would of done this to a woman that happen to show up at the door selling Avon, he would be in more deeper than ever before, but because this is his daughter, oh, it is horseplay (the attorney) that got out of hand. Maybe to pay his attorney's fees, the attorney will let him babysit his young teen girls or young teen grand kids. He loves kids and loves to play with them! Instead of monopoly or tossing a Frisbee outside, he likes to play bondage with duct tape and threaten electrocution in a dog cage! Yes, Law Enforcement need to get any computers in the house, his cell phones and check them for any involvement in crimes dealing with duct tape and get a court order to confiscate the duct tape!!!! Praying for the young girl and boy!

wow what a great dad, having kids of my own my horseplay is throwing a ball out in the yard, throwing water balloons, playing games. This guy is a f@#$^n idiot, he shouldn't have kids. even if my kids get in troubl I wouldn't think of duct taping them caging them and threating to electricouting them. The police should horseplay with this sick bastard and give him a taste of his own sickness. And Steve you have problems too!!

What a sorry excuse for a father and a human being. The emotional scarring this young girl will have to over come is unexcusable. The father is obviously a pathetic and sadistic individual that treated his daughter more like a piece of property to abuse. A daughter is suppose to feel safe and protected by their father.

Sadder still is her own brother being taught to thinking this behavior of his dad was acceptable. To the extent that the son took pictures of his sister and posted them on facebook, rather than helping her get out of this abusive act. Now there is one more little monster that will grow up thinking he too can treat others in this fashion.

And the defense attorney is a piece of work to claim this was nothing more than horseplay.

Years ago I dated a girl who as a teenager was molested by her father. I give Steve my vote. It would be better to be safe than sorry.

I understand that "horseplay" was the word used by the attorney but things like this are not acceptable under any possible view. I only hope this was the only time something like this took place but I doubt it. Not only is the father a sick sob but look at what he's teaching his son as to what is acceptable to do. He needs to be locked away and both him and the boy get medical help fast before the son starts acting like his father.

If this was "horseplay", you have to wonder what he does to punish his kids....

I wonder if his attorney would think it was just a joke if his daughter, the attorney's daughter was in the cage and this clown told him " I'm just playing a joke." Would his attorney go along with it or would he press charges ? My self, I think the father should be put in a cage, hands, feet and a piece of tape over his mouth so that nobody heard HIS TERRIFIED SCREEMS.

There is no "OFF" switch for stupid.

H3321278: Your first misrepresentation is that girls are abused more than boys. The ratio is about equal with some statistics showing boys abused at a slightly higher rate.

@H: (yes boys, on rare occasion)

Please justify this biased statement with facts.

@H: "I am beginning to think men really are a failed genectic mess..."

You sound like a feminist. I'm sure you are aware of the research by the Center for Disease Control, among many others, that found American women kill more of their own children than any other mothers in the industrialized world. Accordingly, maternal child abuse has risen at least 25% since 1985.

But as a feminist you choose to ignore and diminish that reality.

As a matter of fact, the really bad cases of child abuse are usually perpetrated by women, most often the child's mother. If not directly involved they allow and/ or encourage the abuse to occur. In this case it was the grandmother.

To paraphrase you: (not all of you [mothers are child abusers], there are SOME of you who are nice, kind, respectful, [non-murderous] non-violent and non-controlling)....right?

Feminists need to stop making blind assumptions that boys are "rarely" abused and that mothers are never primary abusers. The facts simply fly straight "in your face."

If you want to stop "violence against women & girls" you can start by acknowledging maternal violence against children... all children.

softdude for you if sex isn't part of the equation physical abuse and humiliation are perfectly allright. You need to go to a shrink you are as sick as this father.

I agree with lonereb. Softdude you either need a therapist or you enjoy making women mad. You are as sick as the Dad if you think that physical and mental humiliation is O.K. Men like you have small minds along with tiny "parts" if you know what I mean.

Steve I agree with you, this is not horseplay, it could be the father acting out on sexual play with his daughter. How is ducktaping someone considered horseplay? Maybe in the s & m world. It seems like he is grooming his daughter, imo. I often wonder about a lot of what I read on the computer where folks get too upset if folks use their mind instead of going with the mob mentality. How can horseplay be equal to cage, being tied up with ducktape and being threatened with electricity?

As to all those who went after Steve, he is entitled to his opinion. And if you don't see that what this father did was not right, I really wonder about the state of this country. There is something really wrong with the father.

BTW, do not compare me to Chris Hansen, I hate that guy. I don't see pedophiles on every corner, I just think that some situations like this one may be problematic than others. Most of these sort of crimes happen in the home with family members and not strangers.

@valhallaarwen: "Most of these sort of crimes happen in the home with family members and not strangers."

Excellent point, well taken. FYI most of Hansen's cases were thrown out of court as entrapment. The network was also sued as a result of the on-air suicide. The man didn't show up for the "Perverted Justice" sting so they hounded him from the front yard of his own home. He went out back and shot himself. They never found child pornography or any other indication that he actually molested a child. The majority of child molesters are too narcissistic to commit suicide.

My issue with many of these posts is the girl's brother is thrown in the same pot as the abusive father. There is no mention of his age. He may have posted the pictures on FB because his grandmother allowed the abuse. That may have been his last resort. There is also the assumption he will repeat the behavior. The majority of abused children, boys and girls, do not become abusers as adults.

Also many comments try to make this crime an example of "male oppression of women." Nothing could be further from the truth. Sexual abuse represents 30% or less of intrafamilial child abuse and is perpetrated by males in about 70% of the cases. The majority of child abuse is physical and is most often perpetrated by women, including caged confinement.

Google "child caged abuse" and you'll find most cases involve both parents and single women. The children are often step or foster children. This issue has nothing to do with "patriarchal oppression."

Rev. Spinmaker, thanks. I am aware of the problems with child abuse, and I am one (as a female) who demands equal punishment regardless of sex (male or female). I am not alarmed that more women are committing crimes, I believe they do more (in terms of child abuse) and I don't understand why folks don't believe a woman can do it. I am one who believes anyone is capable of committing crimes. I am not shocked when children go missing, I say check out the parents/guardians/primary care givers before the stranger/child molester angle. How many kids are killed/molested by parents? I

I hate Hansen because I often felt the cases were entrapment and have been told off about it. I also remember the ADA or DA in Texas whose house they went by and he killed himself. That really upset me because he didn't go by anyone's house so why did they have to go over there and televise it.

I do believe we have problems in this country with pedophiles, but honestly, parents need to do a better job of watching out what their kids do and educate them. That way, they won't end up a victim. On the other hand, a lot of young girls do lie about their age and end up in situations with folks who they shouldn't be with. I do not believe that everytime a child is missing (those who have face book pages who lie about their age and look older) are kidnapped. Sometimes they run away. I remember a story about a 13 yo who kept meeting older men that she looked for. One of them was charged with stat rape and she was told to stay off the computer and she did it again and again and the parents tried to stop her but they couldn't. I say put the heifer in juvie. Also let me point out if anyone tells me that a man should know what a child looks like, I have a niece who is 20 who looks 12, she is short and looks like a little girl but she is not. I hate to think that when she is married and pregnant what folks will think. She doesn't really wear makeup or wear heels.

Steve-1479456 may seem like he is just projecting things. But to anyone who even has a layperson's knowledge of the subject of psychology, it is evident that what he states is very likely. And the same denial that those that attacked him use, is the same denial that keeps these crimes from being prevented before someone gets hurt.

I'm not quite sure where to land on this one.. Yes it should be checked out and as someone else said I think with the daughter and a female judge alone in the judges chambers. I raised some rowdy boys and they loved games where we tied each other up to see who could get loose the fastest or blindfold and find your way back to a certain place the fastest...Just for a joke (HORSEPLAY) I got them with plastic tie wraps once... I didn't make them suffer long maybe five minutes before I cut them loose and we all had a good laugh. If you ask them now that they are all grown men they will tell you they remember those times together as some of their best memories. If you were a third party listening to the youngest one tell someone about it then you may have a completely different reaction. Let them investigate and if he did something against the child's will then punish him and control his visitation. If not leave them alone and let them play.

Rev is wrong on most of those counts.

Some of the targets of those Dateline NBC stings got off, but many were convicted.

The guy who killed himself was about to be arrested for trying to solicit sex from an underage child. Yes it was stupid for Chris Hansen to go along and try to interview him while that was taking place.

Interestingly, the prosecutor in that county refused to prosecute any of the people caught in the sting. The guy who committed suicide . . . was an assistant prosecutor. Hmmm

to me it sounds like terrorism,not horseplay.

RWP

About dateline stings ... They do not use children They use college girls that look like they are 13,14 , an 15. It is sad and sickening that they are looking to have sex with children perio. I do think that they should use them to make the charges stick because there was really a child in the house not someone pretending to be a child.

@ valhallaarwen: " I do not believe that everytime a child is missing (those who have face book pages who lie about their age and look older) are kidnapped. Sometimes they run away."

Either way it's bad news. Kids that run away are most often doing so to escape an abusive situation. The 13 year old you mention, who's "parents tried to stop her but they couldn't" prevent her from soliciting older men online, was likely abused at home. That's why she was acting out sexually at such a young age. And her parents could have stopped her by putting the computer in the living room monitoring every site she visited. Chris Hansen needs to be busting parents like hers.

Regarding Chris Hansen, from the L.A. Times:

In her lawsuit, Patricia Conradt [suicide victim's sister] accused NBC of being "concerned more with its own profits than with pedophilia."

She claimed a police officer at the scene of the shooting told a "Dateline" producer: "That'll make good TV."

The network said her suit was without merit.

But in February, U.S. District Judge Denny Chin ruled that the case could go forward on claims of intentional infliction of emotional distress and violation of civil rights.

Chin dismissed some causes of action but said in his ruling that the network "placed itself squarely in the middle of a police operation, pushing the police to engage in tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more dramatic footage for a television show."

"A reasonable jury could find that by doing so, NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or other harm, and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme that no civilized society should tolerate it," Chin wrote.

For more watch the ABC 20/20 Investigation of "Predator." No one from Dateline was available for comment. And RWP, more cases were thrown out than were prosecuted. Perverted Justice was also accused of using underage kids to operate the computers. Police departments were indirectly reimbursed with tactical equipment.

I guess this depends on if it was being done as punishment, I know the article stated that it was, but it doesn't elaborate and we all know articles are rarely dead on with their facts. When she got out of the cage she went to pour more water on her father, as if it was a game. Was she protesting all this? Was she begging to be let out, or was it really a game? I suspect msnbc purposely leaves out critical details to instigate discussion and arguments in the comments. The only reason I say all this is because when I was a kid my sister and I would do stuff like this all the time to each other as a game. The old "cup of water above the door" trick, we would take rope and tie it from one doorknob to the other so we'd be forced to climb out our window to get out of our rooms, super soaker ambushes, teddy bear hostages, locking each other out of the house, sleep deprivation, toy sabotage. Every once in a while a parent would join in the game and I considered it even more fun, not abuse. If we had a dog cage maybe I would have tried to find a way to lock my sister in it, but she was older and wiser and probably would have tricked me into it. If it turns out that this was some horrible parenting and not a back and forth game, then cut off his manhood and feed it to the goats.

I lived with a father like this. It's disgusting. Fathers shouldn't usually delight in tying their daughters' up and putting them in cages with threats to electrocute them. Sorry... but they just don't. And they also shouldn't usually delight in having their sons join them.

Not to mention in "normal" circumstances, most fathers should understand that "horseplaying" with their 12 year old daughters is no longer appropriate. Hugging? ok. Kissing on the cheek? ok. But binding her hands and feet and calling that horseplay? absolutely not ok. That's what's in "daddy" porn.

Rev, well we are differing in opinions of the 13 yo. She was not sexually abused in any form who kept soliciting older men. Recently in the New Orleans metro area, a girl who is 15 ran off with her mother's ex-husband. They were caught in bed together. Another girl ran away, parents reported her missing. She was supposed to be at a party and she went missing after that. She ran away to be with her boyfriend. She was found in the car with the boyfriend who they didn't want her with. Sorry, I don't believe that all girls in these cases are innocent little beings who have been sexually assaulted or abused by parents and that is why they crave the attention of older men. I do believe that some girls are just hard headed and want what they want and won't take no for an answer. Lots of people are like that.

valhallaarwen: A girl lying to about a party to run away with a boyfriend her parents disapprove of is one thing. But a 15 year old girl in bed with her mother's ex-husband is a pretty clear case of statutory rape. No matter how hard headed the girl is. The ex-husband is also an ex-stepfather who betrayed that responsibility and took advantage of a vulnerable girl. He should be prosecuted and spend some time in jail.

Jeez, I just tell my 4 year old I'll tickle him til he pees his pants or I'm going to eat his toes off. I couldn't imagine putting duct tape anywhere on him.

What a sick dad.

CaptBrngDwn ----- Tickling can be very uncomfortable. Some tickling is as bad as torture. At four, he will not necessarily realize you will not actually eat his toes off. (You won't will you?)

If he says stop, I stop.

And no, I won't eat his toes.

Wow, I didn't realize I'd be under scrutiny..

You could also try potty training. Its a modern day, tried and true method of not peeing your pants. It might not be quite as effective or cutting edge as putting your children in cages or biting their toes off, but it is effective none the less.

Darn, I really enjoyed doing all that extra laundry..

Yeah,the brother and dad took pictures and the brother posted them on Facebook. (this is what I love about stupid people - they are often hung by their own petard - poetic justice,eh?)Someone obviously realized their actions could be chargable and they removed them. Half-assed smarts will get you everytime!

Where is Mom?

Perhaps she is the only one out working or maybe she is just staying away from the nuthouse.

Mother is not in the picture. Kids live with grandparents and grandma is claiming there is more to story than police/court reports. Dad has a minor rapsheet in Ohio and unclear in other state per the Cincinnati Enquirerer. Several dropped charges of DV and public stupidity(ok not police lingo but it boils down to running his mouth). Duct tape... 1001 uses including catching morons being well moronic.

trust - ah, then I feel for the grandparents - they are caught in a difficult situation. I know it is easy for me to make pronouncements since it does not involve my son (the kids' parent). It maybe they are trying the best way they know how.The dad could be the only provider for the family and they can't kick him out and then be homeless. But I still can't help thinking they would all be better off without that dad in the house.

Katheryn Brandy

The larger story in the paper stated that the father put her in the cage and dripped water on her. not poured... When she got out she returned the favor and dripped water on the father. He then taped her up and put her back in the cage and he and the son took photos, which the son posted to FB. The father then told the son to get the portable jumper box... story did NOT state if the box ever left the garage. I'm not sticking up for the moron of a father but obviously the fruit did not fall far from the tree in the son since he is the one who posted the photos.

The family obviously has ISSUES but I can see this as a game having gone too far. It's not like a parent never locked their kid in their room or a closet..... When he wanted the battery booster is where it crossed the line.

Sounds likely that he moved in with his parents (or mother) because of marital problems. Evidently he was raised the same way, for the fact that the grandmother didn't intervene.

Steve: You sound like a big Chris Hansen fan. "Predators" are everywhere!!!

trust_verify: The article states explicitly that the charger was placed in front of the cage. This is no joke. It's confinement and grave threats to a child. I'm sick of the term "horseplay" excusing abusive behavior by adults towards children.

The Donna

"Where is Mom?"

Katheryn Brandy

"Perhaps she is the only one out working or maybe she is just staying away from the nuthouse."

Good question Donna. Don't give her too much credit Katheryn, she may be in rehab. Or even more abusive.

My dad was an inventor. He had a workshop with all sorts of implements of torture. Well, they weren't meant for that purpose, but my brother and I were creative thinkers. LOL

One of my brother's favorites was an electrical coil. Oh yeah. And my loving father? He used to do things that would mislead my stepmother into believing I had done something bad to her so she would get angry at me. Divide and conquer. That was HIS idea of fun.

My stepmother and I would meet after I got home from school, first to watch Dark Shadows on TV, and then to think up good retaliations. It was kind of a "girls against the boys" sort of thing.

Sometimes things might have gone a bit too far. Certainly I can think of many that would have looked REAL bad in a photograph. And that electric coil HURT. Kinda. LOL

Lighten up. There may be abuse here, but nothing in the story indicates it. Horseplay is rough, and it's also common in some families. Some of my best memories involve family horseplay. Not every girl is a delicate hot-house flower who will swoon from trauma when the play goes a tad too far.

trust_verify

story did NOT state if the box ever left the garage.

Really?

Did you not read the whole story because they made it pretty clear in the story..

Tapke told his son to go to the garage and retrieve an electrical jump pack so that he could electrify the cage. The girl's brother brought the jump pack and placed it in front of the cage, so his sister could see it.

trust_verity: Given your inability to verify, I'm not sure we can trust you.

@ The Donna,

Probably tied up in the basement???

This isn't a "father" in the truest vernacular of the word. He hates women. It's the reason he does this to a daughter and not his son. This is typical of the male ego that must maintain total superiority over women. He punishes the daughter and teaches his son the worthlessness of women. Sick, pathetic degenerate.

The girl should be removed from that bastion of male power freakitis before her punishments and sick horseplay gets worse. If he's done jail time, he's already 100 steps ahead of anyone else in how to perpetrate humiliation and pain on others. The only thing this guy wants is a woman or daughter to walk over like she's a doormat.

Duct taping your 12 year olds hands and feet? Locking her in a dog cage? Threatening her with shock? Taking pictures?

There is something wrong sexual or not it's just not right.

jerri--your family sounds like the very definition of "dysfunctional". And given the tone of your comments, I'm not sure you turned out as "normal" as you think. Maybe all girls aren't hot house flowers, but that doesn't mean they should be submitted to this type of abuse for us to find out. By what stretch of your admittedly unusual imagination would you consider this acceptable behavior?

@ The Donna, (where's mom?)

@ dano-3878024: "Probably tied up in the basement???"

She might also be turning tricks to buy crack. A mother's behavior must be really bad before a father has custody.

Trust i never locked my kid in her room or her closet I am an adult I am supposed to have communication and logic skills. I wouldn't have treated my dog that way. Put in cage yes pour or drip water on him not OK and I'm talking about a dog. Son needs to have an adult explain to him why taking pictures and posting them was wrong and mean and just how long those pictures are going to haunt his sister.

@ewent: "He hates women. It's the reason he does this to a daughter and not his son. This is typical of the male ego that must maintain total superiority over women. He punishes the daughter and teaches his son the worthlessness of women. Sick, pathetic degenerate"

Sounds like harangue-banging feminist hyperbole to me.

When one child, boy or girl, is selected within a family for maltreatment psychologists call it target abuse. It is often maternally generated and so common that female comedians like Joy Behar make jokes about "women who pick out one of their kids just to hate them."

Would you agree that Joy Behar is a "sick, pathetic degenerate" for making such a joke? And likewise, aren't the women who raised no complaint to the fact that it was a sick, pathetic and degenerate attempt at humor also culpable?

What message does this send to boys who may be listening and are victims of mom's target abuse?

lonereb : if he hadn't posted the pictures on Facebook, who knows how long this practice may have gone on or how much futher it may have been taken.

As twisted as it may seem, posting the pictures on Facebook may have saved this little girl ... imho

RevSpinnaker

Never heard of story being REVISED????

but now YOU are an expert on what happened at the time it happened? You know ALL about the family and it's function or lack there of? What are you the rev of? engines that go sputter? or just spin a tale?

Jeffery Culbert......

This appears to have an single instance... twice in same afternoon. The FB pics did NOT bring the police but rather child welfare and they didn't remove the children but rather had the father arrested. The family HAS issues. The fact that the police are involved could actually make this worse. Hope that is wrong and we don't read about them in 3 or 4 months/years that he came back to even the score.... he has a rapsheet history of losing his temper with police and adult women.

trust_verify: There is absolutely no indication this story was revised. You failed to read the story comprehensively and made a misinformed statement. Deal with it.

There is also still no infomation as to the whereabouts of the mother.

20 minutes??!! That is what the story says, "according to court papers, the girl was in the cage for 20 minutes before her 13 year old brother let her out." THAT IS NOT HORSEPLAY! Horseplay is all in fun. 20 minutes is a long time for a 12 year old to even just sit somewhere; much less have her hands and feet duck taped and be in a dog kennel with water being dripped on her. That is definitely abuse.

And then sending the pics on facebook? Anyone who thinks all of this is just horseplay is 'short a six pack'.

Rev.. go spin your Yarn some place they care what you say.....

She might also be turning tricks to buy crack. A mother's behavior must be really bad before a father has custody.

wow you have a HIGH opinion of people. For all we know the mother is dead. From reading the longer story in the paper and as I stated before the children live with the GRANDPARENTS so apparently the father does NOT have custody per se as the kids are STILL with the grandparents.

I already stated the mother is not in the picture... no details on WHERE or WHY.

Now try to spin that into more than it is.

Fgh the BOY posted to facebook not the father. Sibling rivalry comes to mind in posting of those photos and would fit into his thinking it was fooling around (horseplay)

Agdoc -

jerri--your family sounds like the very definition of "dysfunctional". And given the tone of your comments, I'm not sure you turned out as "normal" as you think.

Well, you may be right. Maybe my family was dysfunctional because today's normal seems incredibly anal to me. Uptight. Immature. Eager to give or take offense.

I suspect, however, that my brain owns a lot more memories tagged as fun than yours does.

And I consider that a good life.

Good luck with all that angst, darling.

Oh Jeebus, not you again ewent. Keep your feminazi crap to yourself. You keep spweing the same crap all the time.

Drop dead, MRA scumbag. We "feminazis' (nice Limbaug-ism) are out here in massive numbers, and we've got YOUR number.

Pathetic dickbag, your genetics are at an END. XD

Oh, sure there are. Sick, twisted, demented, scum bag, douche wad, dirt bag, etc. etc. etc. and he should definitely get jail time, and be sentenced to professional counseling at his own dime, the piece of sh!t.

You can add perverted, abusive, horrific parenting and a terrible father...most likely he has done this before just never got caught...sick and mentally ill...needs to be locked up and his kids put in protective custody. He was teaching his son how to treat women who don't do what you want them to do...

Nifty fifty...some dudes are so hung up on being the sole authority and power in any family dynamic, they often go far beyond normal adult behavior and revert to "get even" and "get away with it" mentalities. This guy is teaching the daughter to accept sicko behavior and abuse. His threat alone to electrify that cage shows what his real intentions are. All the daughter had to do was defy King Daddy's wishes and he'd have gone over the edge and then put that on FB too. That's how proud he would be of his ability to control women. This guy's a bona fide freak.

As usual, Ewent, you are dead right. And the lunatics are trying to take over the asylum. Ban birth control?!?!....and so the subjugation of women is now a political platform!?!? No wonder f&ckwits like this man feel all warm and fuzzy, putting their daughters in a cage.........

There are grave issues with this disfunctional family. The court needs to look at the whole family picture here.

Both kids need to be in CPS custody ASAP.The longer this goes on the harder it will be to fix.

@Pam Montgomery: "...and so the subjugation of women is now a political platform!?!?"

This has absolutely nothing to do with platitudes about "patriarchal oppression." I just googled "child caged abuse." I made it through the first 12 pages and the vast majority involved couples, then mothers and one male arrested for caging a child. The victims were more often boys by about 20%.

Stuff that in your feminist pipe and puff away.

Hey Rev....stuff that in your feminist pipe and puff away.

Wow! Aren't you articulate! Instead of presenting your opposition to my comment, maybe some data on why the Republican party candidates are NOT trying to control women through baning birth control, cutting services to Planned Parenthood that include mammograms, cancer detecting PAP tests....etc., YOU resort to personal attacks. What are you afraid of?

My guess is you are a mysogenist, you feel superior to women...and if you are a reverend, you are using the Old Testament Bible as a tool to prop up your lame misconceptions. That taliban mentality won't get you far.

I am not a feminist...I am an equal rights activist. I'm for anyone and everyone who's freedoms are being restricted because of class, race, gender, gender preference, religion....etc.

Yes, women can cause JUST as much damage as men, but if you think that women have treated men as badly as men are treating women, then you are deluded. NOWHERE in history have women subjugated men the way men have tried to control women. In this country, only with in the last century have women been allowed to vote.........how threatened would you feel if women tried to take away YOUR voice? Or control your penis? No birth control? Well, maybe castration would solve that problem...hmmm?

OK...Now you catch my drift, because I would fight just as hard for your rights as I would my own.

Be careful....as we all know what happens when the pendulem swings the other way. Now, you can hump my leg all day about this..or you can come back with a rational arguement. This "nanananana" commentary indicated that you are either a child, or you are on the defensive....which is it?

Ms. Montgomery: I am a children's rights advocate, something you didn't include in your "activism" list, And who says I'm a Republican? Democrat Barbara Boxer has a great initiative with the Violence Against Children Act. Problem is it's languished in judiciary committees for several years as a result of feminist opposition.

That's because the majority of violence against children is perpetrated by women. Don't take my word for it, according to the Center for Disease Control American women kill more of their own children than any other mothers in the industrialized world. This represents a 25% increase in child abuse since 1985. Other than a recent Katty Kay interview on "Morning Joe" these facts are rarely covered in the media.

I take offense at your deliberate politicizing of child abuse. You may not call yourself a feminist, but denying maternal child abuse is a standard feminist practice.

You claim I'm defensive. In guyville we have a saying, "the best defense is a good offense." If you find my stand against maternal child abuse offensive, you may want to re-evaluate what you actually advocate.

And your comments, "Well, maybe castration would solve that problem...hmmm? "

"OK...Now you catch my drift..."

I catch your drift alright. Doesn't take much to get those misandrist sexual mutilation fantasies going, does it?

By the way, given your adamant misandry it would behoove you to learn to spell misogynist correctly.

You are a misogynist waste of flesh! There, feel better?

Kelcy What they should do is connect the electric jumpers to the father's balls with duct tape, dump a bucket of water on him then set the jumper unit up on an electrical timer that will hit him with a random charge of electricity every 5 to 10 minutes so as to keep him off kilter. They should also have a video recorder going so they can capture the various hits then they can post them on YouTube. This POS does not deserve any better than this.

what you should do is realise, not every one family has the same funtime excersizes. what you should realise at the time the 3 might have been having fun. what you should also realise is, i dont care what you realise. there is more to a story than words, and maybe a pic or 2. what you find acceptable others might not, so be prepared to be chastised, even if you all were just "having fun".

If this was this family's idea of fun, then it's "looneybin fun". And then of course, being so off base they thought that John Q public would enjoy seeing the family fun posted on Facebook. Someone realized that it looked a little off because they pulled those suckers soon after.

You know Mossdog - on second thought - you have a point. There are many different interpretations for how families interact. But even if a family's interpretation is different, we all also know what the accepted norm for our society is. It might not make the behavior that is outside of that accepted range wrong,but if you post pictures of that activity on a public forum,then you invite negative comment and judgement. It's a problem new immigrants face because they don't know how the acceptable range in their former homeland differs from what is the acceptable range in the US.But someone in this family obviously realized the pictures of this might not look kosher.

"Judge, if this is a joke, it's about the most unfunny joke I've ever heard," said assistant prosecutor Matt Broo.

Duct tape restraints??? I'll bet that was a real funny joke, too, getting that off of a 12 year old's skin. More like torture. And the fun of being squashed inside of an animal crate. Bet that did great things for her back and neck. All while helplessly being photographed and taunted. Besides the mental / emotional scarring on the daughter, what have these actions done to the 13 year old son???

How long has crap like this been going on in this house??? Although this particular scenario may have played out this way for the first time, I'm betting these kids have had plenty of abuse to put up with from this scumbag in their short lives. They can't do enough to this "father". He's no different than any other predator.

The family that duct tapes and shoves their kids in dog cages and threatens to electrocute their young together(extreme sarcasm)...... And mossdog, here in America, the word is spelled "realize". Duct taping your 12 year old daughter for any reason is not a joking matter. I would love to duct tape his dumb ass, and the freakin' dumb ass lawyer too, and shove both of these douche bags into that same dog cage, only, I would actually hook the electrical jump jack up and turn it on. You people need to stop making excuses for these sick F***s and the sick crap that they do. The guy is a sick twist and who knows what else he has done or will do.

You beat me to it Chefaz by about 3 minutes. I think you even said it better, as I was basically pissed off with, what not did the father do, but about what the pathetic excuse for a lawyer said. Disgusting, just simply disgusting.

It should have said, "as I was basically pissed off with, not only what the father did, but about what the pathetic excuse for a lawyer said." lol

Good morning, Bryan. Good to see you and I liked your posts, too, as usual. Voted UP. :)

Good morning right back at ya.... I am sadly amazed at how stupid people can really be, and then you have the lawyer saying, "Oh, it was only good family fun, yee-haw!" Amazing, in a really bad way.

If this is what passes for "good family fun", every person in that household needs some family counseling. How much fun was it to peel the duct tape from the girl's body? How much fun was it for her brother to be wondering if dad was actually going to electocute his sister? Just the fact that dad involved his son in the torture of his sister makes me wonder how the son will grow up to treat other women in his life. Just horrifying all around.

This is an example of child cruelty/abuse. I am sure that this is not the first time the father has engaged in this kind of behavior. The son is learning from his father and the daughter will have psychological problems if she doesn't already. The father should be arrested and the kids should be put in foster homes.

Kelcy...I think that he suffers from Big Daddy who humiliated his children in his own past. It's hard to believe what we consider child abuse today was not that long ago considered "discipline". "Cuttin' me a switch", getting the shaving strop and belt to beat kids with was a form of "discipline". Just like putting things on kids tongues to get them to stop sucking their thumbs.

Amen to that Kelcy!

Let's add the electricity with the water!

ewent: He may be suffering from "Big Mommy" since his own mother was right there during the whole ordeal.

"Queen Mommy" may have caged him as a child as well.

Afterall, women usually are involved with the worst cases of child abuse. Google the Demond Reed murder in Minneapolis for an example.

Lock the father up and protect our girls from the brother he has already learned too much. Parents in that area need to explain to him when he picks up their princess for the prom just what they will do to him if he follows in Daddy's footsteps.

I agree that what happened is not right and the father needs to be investigated thoroughly. However, by U.S. law everyone has the right to counsel. So why attack the lawyer when he is simply doing the job he was hired for. You may not agree with him, but if you were accused of something that looked bad (or even if you did something that was bad) you would want a good lawyer.

Place blame where it belongs ... on the father.

Rev Spinnaker et al------------While I do not know the actual statistics, it would not surprise me if, indeed, it could be shown that women abuse children more often than do men. Surely you are aware that, though there are some exceptons, in the OVERWHELMING majority of cases, it is left to the mother, rather than the father, to take care of the kids, in poverty, in poor health, with FAR fewer resources, without child support, sometimes even, Daddy emptied out the family bank account before he left. If she is working, chances are excellent that her salary in quite a bit lower than his, if he is working, and SHE has to pay baby-setting out of her income, but as a rule he doesn't. The circumstanes surrounding each individual case differs, of course, but in general, she has a MUCH rougher time than he does.

Are you saying since more women are primary nurturers that justifies America's abysmal child abuse statistics? Phil Donahue once defended the high rate of maternal child murder with the retort, "that's like saying more men hit home runs." Did he mean women kill children for sport?

How do you explain the fact that children from two parent homes are less likely to be abused?

I just know that if some teacher put his daughter in a dog cage, Mr. Big Daddy and King of the Universe Sicko would go bonkers. If a teacher pulled what this guy did, he be the first to haul them into court and cry "Abuse". So...do explain how if a teacher can't do this to a student Big Daddy should be allowed to call it "horseplay"?

Ewent:

To answer your question about why daddy and not teachers you are comparing an "agency" to a "family." Teachers are not family members. The "laws" are not equal to both. To use a more normal example, daddy can spank if necessary, a teacher cannot. As for "horseplay", this particular event is seriously messed up, but there are normal examples of horseplay that daddy can reasonably participate in that teachers cannot.

ewent: I just googled "child caged abuse" and "Big Mommies" ( and step-mommies) were involved in every case except one in the first 12 pages. Boys were caged at about a 20% higher rate than girls. Some of the children were starved, beaten and/or murdered.

With all your apparent education you still can't "wrap your mind around" the fact that women are some of the most prolific and horrific abusers of children.

Perhaps you've been learning too much misandrist rhetoric.

"Misandry". HAAHAHAAAAAA!!!

You've outed yourself, MRA slime.

While some parts may be evolving,others are obviously devolving.

I think what most Americans find hard to wrap their minds around is that in some part of the US, the people remain locked into a backward culture. We all automatically think that we've evolved as a result of earlier education and awareness of societal mores. The less educated a culture is, the more likely they are to be backward in their ideas of parenting.

Allison201 said, "......... aren't we more evolved than this?!"

ROFLMAO!! Thanks a million. Since about age 25, I've always tried to find at least 1 thing, preferably several, each & every day, to enjoy with laughter. I'm a fitness-fanatic & believe that a daily dose of humour is conducive to a fine-tuned & healthy lifestyle. That should .... hopefully maybe anyway .... ultimately lead to a few more years tacked onto your life-span, or at the very least appearing, feeling, & performing as a person 5, 10, 15 your junior. Even IF that actually has no advantage at all to a person & his/her body, surely a 100% truth that there's no DISadvantage. Exactly opposite to the ever-more-common life-choice of hatred, bigotry, disrespectfulness, & discrimination. Same as above, but different .... even if that way-of-life isn't actually a disadvantage to keeping a healthy body & mind, it sure as he!! doesn't HELP to accomplish that.

Off-subject just a bit, but that last example is actually just another form of hate. The most common PAST recipient of that discrimination was skin color. That not usually being acceptable in TODAY'S modern & sophisticated countries any longer (a GOOD thing), the guilty have simply switched their focus to personal beliefs ..... such as religion. That I can attest to on a personal level. Although by no means a "Bible-Thumper", I AM a believer, and da#n proud of it. But so to not offend the easily offended and/or overly intolerant, I show my faith through very passive means when dealing with people who possibly practice the above inhumanities. This includes such things as wearing a "Fisherman's Ring" & including a bit of scripture as my signature. And saddly, that "possibly" has become to mean every single person who I'm not well-acquainted with, since the above behaviours have went absolutely no direction but UP over the last couple decades. I don't believe it's a bigger PERCENT of the total population who live that low. The percentage is the same, always has been. There's just a heck of alot more total people in the world than 20, 30, 40 years ago, so ultimately you get more haters than ever before. As I said above, I've felt & had to live through that personally, many times, still do, simply because of a 15-word signature at the bottom of 75% of my e-mails sent.

THAT is why I got such a laugh at your "more evolved" statement. NOT a laugh at your expense, please don't take my words that way. It's just that you are so 100% correct, yet the way you chose to word it almost makes it seem that you are truly bewildered about the truth of, "No, we AREN'T "more evolved" than this" .... not even close. Matter-of-fact, even though I mentioned above that I actually think the seemingly greater occurences of these types of hatred & abuse are simply because there are more people in the world inclined to act that way, not more of a percentage of people, I do somewhat agree with Katheryn's observation. Sometimes it most certainly DOES seem a very large section of humanity IS devolving. Sometimes it seems like more & more are behaving like the stereotype we commonly associate with very early primitive man, the comic-book "Cave-Man", abusing others in various ways simply because they think others see that as being a stronger person. But in truth, they lack the intellect to realize that type of behaviour actually causes those others to see them as unsociable jack-a##es, believing they are somehow more important or better than those around them.

I'm an optimist, but kinda lack the hope this will EVER change. For proof & reasons causing that feeling, well, you don't have to look very hard or very far. Just skim through this very message-board, or any other for that matter. That's all you need & it'll reveal a huge number of examples of just what I'm referring to.

Allison:

David said, with respect "No."

I don't for one minute believe this was the first time either. It is sick behavior on both the part of the father and the son 13 is not an infant. I would not want to be the parent of a girl in that area. I sure would never allow him to date my kid.

Sad, but sick and true LongFarms, sick, but sadly true.

Five to seven children die a day in America, the highest rate in the industrialized world. There has been a 25% increase since 1985, but a recent Katty Kay interview on "Morning Joe" was the first time I ever heard that in the American media. Then again it was a British study using US Justice Dept., FBI and CDC statistics.

Point taken Kmac but on the other hand, aren't you glad that they do???

Hopefully, they'll give him the "cage" - with water and electricity - pun intended!!!!! Oh, and let's not forget the freakin' duct tape.....I'm still sick over this father - that @$$wad.....it's disgusting!

@Mossdog - You are a dog! The child was being abused and humiliated by her father and brother, who posted the pics on fb to humiliate her even more. The grandparents are prob afraid to stand up to the dad. This is not how people who love one another "joke around" with their children. I hope the dad gets the max penalty and the children are protected from him.

At the very least, Mossdog,this dad exercised poor judgement.

Sweetzie...I think you'll find that a man who feel a deep seated need to instill fear in others around him are generally referred to as a "bully". He is bullying his daughter while teaching his son bullying behavior. That's not judgment. It's bully behavior. And if his own parents are afraid of him, it's obvious he feeds on creating fear in others.

Just what I was thinking give him the chair duct tape and all

Donna it DID take someone on facebook contacting Jobs and Family Services (ohio combines a lot in that dept). They investigated a few days later and contacted police a day after that. apparently no real danger while they were in the home... More to come I am sure.

Please tell us why a child torturer who is fully in touch with reality needs treatment for clinical depression.

@kcstrawberryblonde, People with clinical depression are fully in touch with reality. Shock treatment is not just for people with clinical depression but also can be used for other mental disorders.

Thank you so much for educating me,Doctor!!!!!!!!!! Since you fancy yourself an authority suppose you answer my original question.On second thought, don't since your information is incorrect.

@Watching~

No, nothing funny at all. It changes who they are. I would have liked to grow up without all that baggage.

F4E:

Child services will not pull the kids, the federal and state money for that type of social intervention is drying up or being diverted elsewhere. Unless there are other "red flags" that can be substantiated this will not warrant the involvement of child services. I'm not saying this circumstance does not need "looking into"....................

Honestly I 'm confused the state of Ohio's Children Services sends mixed signals .... they left the kids who are being duct taped and put in cages but remove overweight kids from their homes, they don't supervise young children during supervised visitations and a young girl ( 10 months old )was molested because of the "oversight " . Come on Ohio get your act together !!!!!

People are not home 24/7. Are you with your children 24/7 when dad is with them?

Roger...I'd like to think fathers can be trusted to act like adults at all times. Otherwise, the only reason they have children reduces these men to the level of procreating animals. I know American men are better than this fruitcake.

ewent: Just wondering if you would have the same level of angst driven animosity had the victim been a boy caged by his mother? Look it up. Just google "child caged abuse." Women are involved with the majority of cases.

Kind of blows your theory about men.

Don't worry Rev, ewent hates anything male, alive or dead.

But don't underestimate her! She's like a supermom or some crap and thinks she's better than everyone and everything. I'd ignore her actually.

And, in turn, we ignore you. Hey, why don't you and RevSpinnaker get together and screw? You sure seem to looove each other... lol

I'll bet you said that to all the seventh grade boys you didn't like. Some bullies never grow up.

......and the stupid woman that lay down with him

Katheryn Brandy, desparate for a man is probably more like it.

Sounds like you are all blaming Mom. Maybe she was at work. Are you home with your children 24/7 when dad is with the children? Many couples work totally different schedules. You don't know, maybe she is talking to an attorney about divorce as we speak.

Allison...You've got that right. There is a wonderful change since the days women my age fought for equality. Here's what we hope we passed on: Women don't NEED any man. If they have a man in their lives, it's because they WANT him there.

So..which is better? To be needed? Or wanted? Needing anyone means a landfill of obligatory strings attached. Wanting someone has no strings attached. That's the difference. A woman who is too needy always ends up marrying a super control freak who dominates her. If she accepts his domination, she's a walking advertisement for such low self-esteem and self-respect. If she doesn't accept his domination, he'll beat it into her until she does.

You know ewent:

the woman you are talking about could also "get lucky" and marry a nice man. It is better to be both: "needed" AND "wanted."

True fact, "good men" (unselfish, committed, devoted, caring, understanding, self controlled = loving) are becoming harder to find. I think they need to have the basics at the start and the relationship with the wife to finished in their emotional growth and maturity.

Unless she does what I did. Let my berserk warrior personality loose and come out swinging. Rather go to jail than live that life. Two men learned never to hit me.

I love you.

"Hey, why don't you and [lonereb] get together and screw? You sure seem to looove each other... lol." *

* Paraphrased from Dr. Frog comment #14.5.

oh come on,shootout...

Since when have you ever been put in a cage by the police or the military???????????????? Maybe in your country, with the comment "AMERICAN" tells me that you are a foreigner. Go back to your country, and quit comparing america to your country.

oh please are you for real...what a stupid comparasion...but I think thats how you want people to respond

I've been arrested never had my hands duct taped, never got put in a dog cage. Do you really know how small even the largest dog cage is? Also never had water poured or dripped on me. I don't know what police you are talking about not the ones where I live surely. Never even got insulted or yelled at. Of course I didn't yell at or insult them either.

WRONG... try PORNOGRAPHY.

Sgt Howard, you sound like another unfeeling asswipe. If anyone out there is clausterphobic, like I am, you realize the horror he inflicted on his daughter, There is NOTHING funny about this. Imagine being bound and gagged, then locked in a dog crate for even ONE MINUTE! Shame on you people who stick up for this POS.

Thank you! All this overreaction is so irritating. Are they missing the part where she poured water over dads head and he didn't beat the crap out of her? This was a prank. Maybe over the top, slightly but a prank. The daughter didn't call the police, Grandma didn't call the police. Nobody got hurt. The daughter isn't traumatised. I stand with The Sgt. I have goofed around with my kids, threatened to use duct tape and staple guns to attach them to the walls. I assure you they are healthy and happy, and awesome parents as well.

The problem with your comment, Sgt, is that she may have been treated this way since she was an infant. That would mean she is conditioned to that treatment. Judging by her reaction is not a good measure. Judging the fathers actions compared to good parenting is a better measure.

Marlane: Not everyone is claustrophobic like you are! The girl may have thought it to be funny. You can't put someone else in YOUR shoes.

Sgt Howard...One of my best friends was the daughter of a "military man". The high rate of divorce among men in the military stems from their inability to sever their military posturing from their family posturing. My best friend often said her old man treated her like she was one of his peeon subordinates and he often acted like he was a commandant instead of a father.

Sorry, that's not parenting. That's military drilling. Military drilling is fine as a necessity for defense. It's not the way to raise children.

Sarge,

Agreed.

oh my cindy harvell when is it ever ok to beat the crap out of your kids...out of line post don't you think

Marlane,

I hope that you notice that you're dumping your phobias on the girl and ASSUMING that this was lifelong trauma that was inflicted on her. Didn't you notice that she didn't exactly flee the scene when she got released the 1st time? Her very own reactions showed that she knew it was horseplay BECAUSE SHE JOINED IN HERSELF. All of these people with their knee jerk reactions and assumptions about what was going on show the decline of our culture much more than that family's horseplay. You all are ready to hang this guy when absolutely no injury was done to the girl except to maybe give her a little scare. All of you with your condemnations and desires to actually injure the father would give the girl a far worse trauma than any scare the father gave her.

I wonder, if you have kids yourself and you blather about your claustrophobia to your kids as they grow up to the point that they develop it too- merely from listening to your own baseless fears- if that should be considered child abuse too? Should your kids be taken away and you banned from contact? Or prosecuted for child abuse?

justsaying,

That would make us a fine nation of Stepford Wives, wouldn't it?

Duct tape is pretty sticky. I wouldn't be putting it on my child's deicate skin. Can't see how that's funny.

My cousin and I were teasing my cousin the cop on New Years. He handcuffed us to the bed with the Rose Bowl game on and all the uncles and aunts in the same room watching it. He had to let us go when they called him in to work. We thought it was a blast.

marlane, Good God woman!! How do you know she didn't bring the tape to her dad? If it was cheapo tape it wouldn't even hurt when removing it. You pass complete judgment not knowing if this girl was giggling and snickering the entire time or saying through the tape "Take a picture take a picture" I'm not saying this is the case but you aren't allowing for anything but the worst... My word lady let them investigate and go from there. Calm down and take your meds.

Devon

There is NOTHING funny in that scenario. EVen if the child thought it was funny (and I don't actually believe she did think it was funny), what in heaven's name is the father training her? This set of values is so warped and so twisted it defies reason. Even if my child initiated this kind of "horseplay" (which is actually unthinkable) I would stop that play, and fast. And I would tell my child in no uncertain terms why that kind of "game" is unacceptable. With our family values, no kind of denigration is unacceptable under any circumstances. It is just never funny.

Oh my God people! It was a freakin joke! The girl was questioned and interrogated and asked if she's ever been in "situations" before with her dad. She was questioned if she felt threatened at all during the time of the incident. None were answered with a yes. It's just a good old fashioned family having fun. LEAVE IT ALONE ALREADY! This doesn't mean the man's a serial killer, it doesn't mean he's a child molestor, it doesn't mean anything other than they were all playing around with each other and having a good time with it. My God America! What have you all become? A bunch of God playing judges. None of you can cast stones at this man.... NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU! BACK OFF!!!! Go do something constructive with your time other than bash others for having a little fun with their families.

letitgoalready, Thank you as I thought this would likely be the case. Picha, In my opinion you likely never got dirt on your clothing or had good old fashioned mud fights with your children.. I mean after all you could put and eye out or something... Because my boys and I used to tie each other up to see who get loose the fastest I suppose I was teaching them some sick bondage thing in your eyes eh? Let me tell you something you stuffy bat.. My children are all grown adults and remember those times as some of their fondest memories.. They also still remember the knot tying training they got while having a lot of fun... I never had to drill it into them how to tie things safely or so they could easily or not easily untied it was only a matter of asking them in the moment "hey you want me to show you one it will take him forever to get out of?" Or "He's pretty small let me teach you real quick and easy one for him so he doesn't get mad or scared" I always stayed very near and supervised them. Go with Marlane and get your medications.

It may have gotten "out of control" BUT if she was truly afraid of her father and he was doing it maliciously THAN there is no way she would have poured water over her father's head when she was released the first time. My friend and I tied a guy that was a bully to the lightpost in my front yard when we were in 6th grade. I lived on a busy street and the cops came by and told us to let him go. They were laughing the whole time and we didn't get into any trouble because it was a joke. We might be thinking differently if we were there when it occurred.

lighten up people. When I was helping my brother take care of my niece and nephew they just loved to mess with me when I was watching a good movie and I would tie them up in the closet playing with them. They still talk about it when the family gets together for Christmas, etc. It was something that they will never forget and they had fun playing with their uncle Pat. Of course that was when a dad could huge his daughter and give her a kiss on the check in public and not worry about getting arrested.

SOOOOO TRUE!

Bet this idiot is in one of the Darwin Awards books.......too bad his poor kid has to suffer having this a$$hole for a dad.

Kieth- kiss my a_— your an idiot. oh and Pick10 you can kiss the other side.

Or she may grow up loving her father to death and feeling bad that he was hounded by a bunch of people who had no idea what was actually going on that day but couldn't control their own knee jerks. Also, that is quite an assumption as to why he is divorced. For all you know his ex was a dope fiend, alchoholic, or simply liked slutting around and simply abandoned them all. But it does help you to justify your low opinion of him now, doesn't it? (I know you acknowledged your assumption about the ex-wife). Lastly, how can any family "stick together"when everyone around them is just looking and waiting for the chance to butt in and interfere, even though they're strangers to the family and have no idea what goes on at their home except for one incident being manipulated by the press?

You totally described MY mom. And boy does she love throwing those pity parties for herself around her dyking sisters. And this is somebody who's a three times FLOP Casey Anthony, a wannabe Mrs. Bates, a pedophile enabler who also uses stalkers, a welfare fraud, cheap and easy taste in husbands and her 2nd husband is just as loony as this guy. And SHE'S the victim. Got any moonshine? Pity party in 20 minutes!

Gammer- really and how do you know this. it is people like you that is what is wrong with this world. Have you seen the picture ? was she crying in the picture or was she laughing? just because you don't know what fun is doesn't mean that the other half of us thinks the same way. What is fun for some isn't fun for others. My nephew and niece loved it when I would tie them up in the closet when they were kids and one she is a teacher and he is a Marine with 18 years of service. Both laugh about still today and talk about how fun it was.