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Subscribe to RSSMontgomery County, North Carolina Sheriff Dempsey Owens describes the chain of events after a shooter opened fire at a lumber company, killing three, and later shot himself at home.
Updated 3 p.m. ET: Montgomery County Sheriff Dempsey has confirmed the identity of the alleged shooter as Ronald Dean Davis, age 50. He was found on a couch at his home with single self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
Both Davis and the injured survivor of the workplace shooting are in critical condition at a hospital, the sheriff said at a news conference.
"This is a dark day for Montgomery, North Carolina," Dempsey said.
A deputy found a six-page handwritten note apparently written by Davis. The note "just rambles on," and investigators aren't sure of a motive, Dempsey said.
The sheriff said Davis and all four victims worked at McBride Lumber.
"I'm under the impression that he knew who he was going to shoot," the sheriff said, adding, "it appears he entered with a loaded 12-gauge shotgun and shot these four."
Davis was not married and didn't have any children, Dempsey said.
Original story: STAR, N.C. -- A man described by witnesses as a disgruntled worker opened fire Friday at a lumber company in this central North Carolina town, killing three people and injuring one before shooting himself, authorities said.
Montgomery County Sheriff Dempsey Owens told WXII 12 that deputies were called to the McBride Lumber Company just after 6 a.m. He said deputies found four people shot inside the business, three of whom died. One worker was airlifted to a hospital.
The suspect fled the scene. He was identified by co-workers at the firm, allowing deputies to track him to his house, WFMY-TV reported.
Owens told WXII that the suspect shot himself at his house. He was airlifted to a hospital.
WRAL.com identified the suspect as Ronald Dean Davis, 50, and said he was in critical condition.
Witnesses reported that Davis was a disgruntled employee, the sheriff told WXII.
Owens said the the shooter left a note, but did not give the details of its contents, according to WFMY.
The company's founder's, Dorothy McBride, said she was shocked.
"Oh, my God, I can't believe it," McBride said. "I just can't talk about it right now. I have to find out more."
McBride Lumber Company is a second-generation family-owned business that was started in the 1950s, according to its website. The company specializes in the manufacture of custom pallets for a variety of businesses, including furniture, automotive, masonry and textile.
NBC News, NBC affiliate WXII 12, msnbc.com staff and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Sad to hear this. Another crazy individual. Also it's another score for gun control IMO.... what are the chances this person was a gun nut?
I've posted this link on a couple of different MSNBC articles lately, but I think it's worth sharing it again. Everyone in America needs to read this:
www.halfbakedlunatic.com/post/2011/06/09/Americans-and-their-Guns.aspx
Well if he didn't use a gun I'm sure he could've thought of something else to use,gasoline,a bomb or who knows what.What about all of the drunk drivers who kill innocent people? Should we stop driving cars because a few people screw it up for the rest of us.What if somebody broke into your house and they had a knife and they threatened to kill your family? What are you going to use, harsh language.I own a gun and I taught my girlfriend how to use it.Did you read that story about that 18 year old woman who shot that guy that was breaking into her house and it was just her and her baby.People like you make me sick,your whats wrong with this country!!
Yup, here come the "wonder if he was a gun nut" comments. Wonder if he was just a "nut"???
Obama will take credit for creating 3 jobs.
A Gun does what it is told to do, Otherwise it does absolutely nothing. People are alway's giving the Gun a bad Rap. How about Knive's?? They do nothing either until someone use's it. How about a baseball bat? A car? Are we to ban everything?
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people kill people,cops,soldiers use guns for protection of themselves &othersdo you think we should go to war throwing eggs or just ask them not to break into your house & threaten you
What "gun control" would you like?
I didn't read anywhere what the employee was "disgruntled about" so all the comments here are not based on information, just agenda. The last few times this occurred, someone got fired for cause. Is any reason enough to kill for?? Is being disgruntled an excuse to murder? Obama says the Muslim Maj Hassan that murdered 13 American soldiers at Fort Hood while yelling "allah akbar" was a disgruntled employee and classified these jihadi murders as "work place violence".
@coastal exchange - You do know that most criminals don't buy their guns legally right? So when you want all the law abiding people that have purchased their guns legally to give them up do you realize what we are going to have? Well let me tell you. You are still going to have criminals with guns. Because let me tell you they are not going to turn their guns in. It is your kind of thinking that is going to destroy our country. We have the right to protect ourselves from these criminals. And if all the law abiding citizens give up their guns our country is going to be overrun with criminals with guns!!!!
he may have been disgruntled...and the others probably could have been disgruntled...call it get'n the disgruntled drop on them...
Could be that he worked there for more than 20 years and they fired him because they could hire somebody younger at a cheaper wage. And maybe not. We really don't know more than the few details provided in the article. Anybody see the bullying in the workplace article yesterday? Food for thought.
Do you folks ever get tired of using the same cliches? Pencils, baseball bats, cars, etc? A gun has a singular purpose--to kill.
Actually,thousands of rounds are fired every day at steel and paper plates,tin cans,water jugs or various printed targets just for fun,with nobody getting killed. I know libs think how can firing a gun be fun,but personally I'd rather do that than play golf.
Yes I agree, dear God, please tell us, when will the government protect the citizens who are injured or killed by these vigilantes, and not the NRA? Money wields power once again....Folks -- I hope you are keeping notes on all these things and get these people out of their political posts on the elections!
I'm a life-long liberal.............And you will take my gun from my cold, dead hands.
The way things are going, people, we'd better have guns.
Charlton Heston created a lot of bad vibes for the NRA........Sheesh. What a dried-up old wacko.
Anyone paying attention to what's happening in this country? The only reason things ain't worse is: THEY KNOW WE HAVE GUNS!!
people kill people ~ it just so happens to be a gun that he used
Would anyone like to define 'gun nut'?
I've been studying cases like this for over 20 years now. I don't remember any where the perpetrator was described as being what would fit the definition of a mainstream firearms enthusiast.
A majority of the time, it was someone who happened to either own or have access to a firearm, but they only had one or two and were not a regular user. The gun may have been inherited from an ancestor or purchased at an earlier stage of life when the person did a bit of hunting or recreational shooting, but mostly had been occupying a closet for a few decades. In some cases, the person was more or less a complete novice and was able to purchase a firearm, lawfully or otherwise.
In what seems to be half the cases, the person did have what could be described as a small arsenal, part of that description being that the firearms they had were not hunting or competition types but were service-type weapons or clones of firearms intended for military or law enforcement tactical use. In other words, 'combat' pistols and/or shotguns (18" barrel, synthetic black stock and forearm or possibly a folding buttstock, Parkerized matte finish instead of traditional bluing, etc.) and what are known colloquially as 'assault rifles'. Usually, the person had acquired this bizarre collection of militaristic firearms over a fairly short period of no more than several years and any use of them had been limited to very informal target shooting ranging from 'plinking' of tin cans and other objects to just outright 'blasting' of projectiles into the ground, woods, desert, the air, etc. Often, these people had never been to an established shooting range, were not members of any organizations, did not participate in any shooting sports of any kind, and did not seem to associate with anyone who was involved in any of those things. Usually the person in question was a pariah who acquired firearms for some feeling of power or control that they got from the mere possession and occasional inarticulate use of them.
In cases where a disgruntled employee is lashing out, it is important to keep in mind that many people: 1) Take themselves very seriously...too seriously. 2) Allow their work to define who they are. and, 3) Feel, rightly or wrongly, that everyone around them has been mistreating them, using them, is out to get them, etc.
In some cases, it really is all in the person's mind. Other times, people really were 'dumping' on them, hoping they'd get fed up and leave, or perhaps to try to teach them some kind of lesson, or just because it became apparent that the person would put up with it and everyone else could get away with it. Before it happened, I'm sure most people never thought the end result of someone feeling marginalized or humiliated would be that person showing up with a gun and shooting people.
I think a lesson everyone should have learned by now is that if someone isn't measuring up on the job, management needs to be the one to deal with it in a formal manner. Coworkers trying to make life hell for someone they'd rather not be working with usually does not work and can certainly lead to bad things down the road. If anything, people need to try to help out someone who's struggling, not ostracize them! At the very least, if worse comes to worse someday, those who tried to be a friend to someone who was failing might end up being spared while a broken person with a weapon is exacting his revenge on those he considered to be his enemies. There are no guarantees in life, but at least being decent to people who don't fit in or who seem to be having issues seems like cheap insurance in the grand scheme of things.
I'm a very gruntled worker!
Imatthebeach,
I'm with you on this one. I've had a conceal & carry permit for over 10 years. They can take my gun when I'm dead. And only then!
being gruntled ain't all it's cracked up to be...sometimes...you grunt and get a hernia...
lee-936758,
RE: your posts #1.4 and 1.6
Congratulations on your post #1.6 it certainly shows that you have learned that it is sometimes better NOT to comment when you can't contribute anything except juvenile and foolish comments to a conversation. THANKS!
No honestly i dont think if he used a knife, a banana or whatever you gun thugs think. They would have a fighting chance. I will always take on a knife fight before a gun fight. Duh. And without a doubt guns kill more people than any other weapons combined. Now you ignorant fools stay with in reason okay. Dont even start to say these guys didnt have a fighting chance if he came in their with a knife. I would laugh at him... your old saying that guns dont kill, people kill with guns dont cut the mustard backassword fockers!
Why is it that people think GUN ownership is political, I'm a LIB, and a NRA member so stop tossing out the BS, its not a political party thing............. Some people are so FULL of it their eyes are BROWN ... GET MY DRIFT
Ah, the old, "disgruntled employee." Or is it another 99%'r screwed out of his retirement by being laid off before his benefits matured? "Disgruntled" could mean anything in our current economy. I'll be interested to see if they release the contents of his suicide note.
We seem to live in an increasingly "disgruntled" country. A heavily armed, disgruntled country. A country where the going business belief is that workers are disposable, and that business has no stake in the social contract of the country they are working in.
I suggest we change the term, "going postal," to "going disgruntled."
"Guns are designed solely to kill."
Yes, yes they are. And the Founding Fathers knew this; knew it perfectly well. And they also knew perfectly well how important it was, and is (yes, "is"), to ensure that government never captures the monopoly on this ability.
Jon #1.24 - You would laugh at someone coming into your work place with a knife? I would assume that would be because you do not think he would stand a chance. Are you old enough to remember what happened on September 11, 2001? Thousands of people ended up dead because some Muslim terrorist had a grand total of 4 box cutters on each plane. If a knife being used against a large group of people were the laughable incident you think it is, I do not think one plane would have been diverted. I do not think the passengers on those planes thought that box cutters were a laughing matter. There is something very wrong with you. You cannot see it because it is in your subconscious mind. However, we can see it in your egotistical writings.
Just a further thought on that:
I believe the Founding Fathers were wise enough to understand how important what we today call 'the home field advantage' is. In other words, if the nation is being invaded by a foreign army, citizens will put 100% effort into defending their homes and families. It is reasonable to believe that if you are standing on or at least near ground you own and the place you call home, you have a lot more at stake than the conscript who finds himself in his king's army and halfway around the world from his home and family.
During the Revolutionary War, the soldiers of the Continental Army seemed barely a match for King George's troops. During the Civil War, most of the battles took place in the south. The Union finally prevailed for a number of reasons, but the war lasted much longer and was far costlier than it could have been because Union soldiers voyaged far from home to battle the men of the Confederate States in practically their own back yards. To them, the Union was an invading army, and they put up one helluva fight as a result. If the two sides had been able to meet in some kind of essentially neutral battleground so they both had to travel considerable distances to get there and no one was close to home, one side or the other may well have surrendered sometime in 1862 or perhaps 1863. Instead, the Union ended up having to beat the South into submission and the war lasted two or three years longer than it could have had one side not been fighting in their own neighborhood.
Another variation on the theme was Saddam Hussein's army. The rank and file were mostly conscripts, drawn from around Iraq, but generally they felt that Saddam Hussein, though he be their leader, really did not speak for them. More specifically, Saddam was a Sunni and most of his army were Shia. To a large degree, they were soldiers because that's what they were told they were going to be and they weren't given much of a choice. You could say they were drafted into the king's army. They knew full well they couldn't necessarily opt out of obligatory military service, but they also understood that they could put in just enough effort to not be punished and little or nothing beyond that. Saddam Hussein didn't seem to understand this, and assumed that his army would fight gallantly on behalf of Iraq. His soldiers saw themselves as having to do his dirty work and felt no real motivation to succeed; there'd be little in it for them! If they were at home and felt they were defending their land and their family from invading conquerors, things would have been very different.
How about we wait for some facts to come out before making judgment?
The guy had a gun but we don't know if he aquired it legally or not. Based on his apparent mental state, I certainly hope he wasn't able to aquire it legally.
I don't think anyone is against reasonable gun control. There's nothing wrong with law-abiding citizens owner firearms. I don't like to hunt but I do enjoy recreational shooting. People like me aren't the problem. Criminals and unstable people with firearms are the problem. I don't think you'd get an argument from anyone about taking steps to keep firearms out of the hands of these people.
Wrong, it is not time to take away my gun rights. It is time to arm yourself and be ready. There are more crackpots with guns than normal people. Be prepared for when they snap.
Actually, the TiGor, the Iraqis DID defend their homeland (or tried to) against a foreign invader, as did (and are) the Afghans and Pakistanis. Ironically, though, they're called terrorists and insurgents.
Imatthebeach The United States government has a much greater weapon than "guns." They now possess an airborne H5N1 virus with a 50 % mortality rate and they made sure the whole world knows this...
Gun control is one issue. But everyone is ignoring the mental health issue. It is really a shame that in a society that has spent billions on a health infrastructure, that open and available counseling is not obviously available. How much more tragedy will have to happen for this to change?
You're not wrong about that, but I intentionally left it a bit broad.
For one thing, I wasn't necessarily referring to the eight years the US just spent there, or even necessarily the 1991 Gulf War. Iraq also was embroiled in eight years of bitter war with Iran that most Iraqi soldiers weren't exactly thrilled with, either.
Precisely what you're defending is somewhat a matter of perspective, but again, in some cases Iraqi citizens were at or very near their homes and had a valid reason to believe they were actually defending them, and other times they may have still been in Iraq, but were far from home and were in no uncertain terms doing Saddam Hussein's bidding. If you were an Iraqi soldier, which scenario would be more important to you? Of course, if you were a soldier and actually defending your home, you probably had also deserted the army and returned home. Many Iraqis acting to defend their homes were civilians and often times they were under attack by people who were also civilians (criminals and terrorists) or at least not legitimate soldiers acting under official orders of any government.
Thanks for mentioning it so I could clarify some more.
@homydontlikethebuzz, comment 1.1
I read your link, but the writer has some significant errors that he is basing his opinion on-- my favorite was when he said you were "4-6 times more likely" to injure yourself with a firearm than defend against a home invader. 4-6 times? Which is it? Sounds like he's making things up to benefit his argument. He's also terribly hypocritical when he says he thinks the Swiss are great having their weapons because they're responsible, but then he later refutes the "gun-nut" argument: "I’m a responsible citizen and I follow all appropriate safety precautions, so I should be able to own any weapon I desire." So which is it? Can a person be responsible for a firearm, show it the respect that it deserves, and own it accordingly? Or is all gun ownership a problem? The author can't seem to make up his mind. He also mangles the 2nd amendment (admitting that it has been "bashed to death by the courts" -- meaning he's misinterpreting it, but he's going to go ahead on a tirade about it anyway) and focuses, as so many anti-gun folks do, on the "well-regulated militia" section and ignores the "right of the people" section. If it's a "right of the people" then it's a right shared by all lawful citizens in the country-- and the US Supreme court has upheld this view time and time again. All in all, I wasn't too impressed with the article you linked. Sorry man. I generally don't take advice from websites called "The Half-Baked Lunatic" or anything remotely similar.
@I'matthebeach:
Amen to that brother.
@bigjeff
LOL! Me Too!
@Rick
It's because, historically, the liberal agenda has been aimed at restricting firearms ownership. It's political because, well, it's political. Now, that being said, not every liberal is out to take away the 2nd amendment or severely restrict people's right to own firearms-- there are some democratic reps that are members of the NRA, for example. But you'd be hard pressed to find any republican that endorses firearms regulation beyond what's on the books already, but you can readily find any number of democrats pushing for increased restrictions.
@angryguy 1.27 -- Amen to that, brother!
@powersource, 1.28: You said it. A knife has the potential to be every bit as dangerous. I might point out the ongoing habit in China and Japan for knife wielding maniacs to slaughter children at school. Remember any of those stories? And what about swords, eh? I tell you, I'd rather be shot than hacked with a katana. You might survive a gun shot...
Closing thoughts: firearms ownership is a right and a responsibility. They're a powerful tool of both defense and offense. God forbid I ever have to use my rifle on offense, but I sure as hell will hold any man accountable who comes to me looking for trouble. Any man looking to illicitly gain my goods or threatens me or my family will pay one helluva high price, I promise you that.
Time to repeal the second amendment.
I hope you're joking, if not you're a fool
Yes, because freedom is just too scary ...
Yeah, thermen, then all the bad guys will still have one, and we'l be disarmed. Read about the crime rates in UK and Canada, this don't work. Then talk your talk.
no, time to start working with the youth of this country to try and reeducate them in the lost art of respect for others.
I think we should interpret the second amendment as it was intended. We can all legally by a musket...
or,just start paying your employees a decent (fair)wage and show them the respect they deserve.
Thermen Merman: Are you nuts? Must be! I wouldn't allow anyone to disarm me or my family. We must protect ourselves from those who are unstable such as yourself for saying something so STUPID.
Skiddy, Canada has WAY LESS gun crime than the US.
Get your facts straight!
Skiddy
Yeah, thermen, then all the bad guys will still have one, and we'l be disarmed. Read about the crime rates in UK and Canada, this don't work.
Oh really ?? Do you have proof of this ?? YOU DON'T, you're just repeating faux news, propaganda !
I live in europe and no, we do not have by far the crime rate you, americans have !!! In fact, guns are very far away from our minds and we never worry about them !
You are either a liar or brainwashed by infos that are false !
Canada and europe have very low crime rates by guns and that is a fact, moron.
Yes...I do live in Canada Skiddy and we don't have cities were there is a child a day or so that is killed by a firearm...re Chicago...Detroit etc. we do have gun crime but 10 times less / 1,000 , than in the US...Gun control helps weed out the bad...the sick...and the criminals...
I'm all for the second amendment as long as you don't forget the part about needing a militia. If you want to own guns, then sign up for military service. Simple as pie.
Canada is a nation that is bigger than the US, with the population of California.
No comparison.
Stop blaming guns. Just because the media doesn't post the lawful use of firearms almost every day to save life and property doesn't mean it doesn't take place.
Don't be a useful idiot for the preordained agenda of the liberal media.
See:
10USC311 for clarity. You will then find your statement is silly.
@skiddy - yes look at the crime rates in Canada and UK you find it is much , much , much lower! Sorry buddy but we don't need guns and don't want them. Unfortunately for the US it is too late because it already out there so you need your guns now and you can't turn back time....so good luck with this
It's against the law to shoot someone. He did anyway.
If it's against the law to own a gun, I'm SURE that would've stopped him.
Has "anyone" ever even heard of the word "musket" being written "anywhere" in our Bill of Rights, or "anywhere else" in the U.S. Constitution?
Has "anyone" ever even heard of the word "musket" being "referred to any way anywhere" in our Bill of Rights, or "anywhere else" in the U.S. Constitution?
Hmmm...
The 2d Amnd gives individuals the right to keep and bear arms. Simple as pie, hugh???
bravo Jerome but those gun nuts will only listen to Faux Noise
Europe? Europe?!?
That's funny! Tell you what: See if you Europeans can go 75 years without butchering each other in the millions, then get back to me.
See if you can go 20 years without attacking each other, if the first request proves impossible.
Won't ever happen, and even if it did, who's going to come get my guns? You, who don't believe in them? I suggest you bring lots of help.
Not always.
I eagerly await your grand scheme to get the criminals to give up their guns.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]"
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of
State
Now, tell me how my statement is silly. It clearly says "well regulated militia".
Join the military, get a license for a gun. Of course, most of you gun nuts are too afraid to join the Army or the Marines. People might shoot at you.
lol , so the gov't can "tax control" us like they do to the subjects of england,australia or canada ! go look how much there gov't just walk over their own people? and look at all the cameras that they got up in england both for crime , and REVENUE ! look how much the taxes are when you buy something in UK or even canada. you are not a "CITIZEN" when a gov't dictates your choices ,and defenses , you are a "SUBJECT" ,go live in your own police state Therman Merman !
Canadians live in large cities concentrated mostly along the border. Its completely the same. Fewer guns means less crimes involving guns.. That should be obvious.
Laws that actually work to keep guns away from criminals are long overdue in America. Its time to regulate private sales and make them require an okay from police that the buyer is not a criminal with a record. Its time to start putting names to serial numbers too. So weapons used in crimes can be sourced back to the original owner. Make people store weapons so they arent easily stolen when you arent around to watch them.
And its EASY to put criminals out of business. Make gun owner have a licence. No licence, no ammo. Simple. A gun is useless without ammo. Criminals cant get a licence.
skid, Canada has WAY LESS gun crime PER CAPITA than the US,
get your facts straight!
Stop quoting FAUX news!
And may I add, Canadian hunters have guns too, they just have better laws protecting regular folk. Those that don't feel they need to "carry" to protect themselves!
skiddy ha! oh lawdy ..and you have a top contributer star. hmm that means you are always on here spewing falsities . which is almost as sad as what happened to these NC workers. I guess you are one of those that will spew false "facts" about us not contributing to the destruction of the "delicate balance" that we are all a part of.....global warming?.............SO what would be worse doing something about it if it weren't true...or doing nothing about it if it were true? people like you ARE whats wrong .
therman merman....dude are you serious? what hole are you holed up in? Cheyenne mountain? i would never give up my weapons for nothing! sorry to hear about the deaths,but crap happens everyday. the gun did not wake-up and say i am going to kill the ones whom got me fired;it was the stupid ass redneck whom got fired.people get kileed from many other things also,like the thing you have in your drive way with four wheels. nope,i think i would vote agaist you on this.
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RETIRED IN VEGAS
Skiddy
Many people have copy and pasted the same look at Canada and UK, but how many of you actually have? Lets look at last year, Charlotte NC, that states largest city has a 20 year low 55 homicides with a population of about 800,00. Toronto, the largest city in Ontario, and Canada had its lowest number of homicides in 25 years with a total of 46, in a city with a population of 2.8 million people. So even though they have 2 million more people, they had 10 less killed that Charlotte, yep guns sure do keep them safe in NC. The most killings ever in a single year in Toronto was 86, in Charlotte it was over 120.
spiceman - It's nice to know that the only reason an employee is disgruntled is because of a small paycheck. Of course supervisors never pi$$ off subordinates - just ask the supervisors. The employees had chips on their shoulders.
Denverrocks,you and your ilk need to read Federalist Paper 46,written by James Madison. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with joining the regular army or national guard. It is intended for regular citizens to come to the defense of the country if needed to assist the regular army and also as protection against a tyrannical government. If the second amendment requires the use of muskets then the first amendment equires the use of feather quills and parchment. No electronic media.
Yes, that's an old, tired interpretation. The word in question is 'regulated'.
When this Amendment was written, 'regulated' referred to timing and consistency. In the early days of the nation, it was necessary to require that a person be well 'regulated' in the proper and timely loading of the musket.
It was a requirement for the average citizen to be able to properly load and accurately fire his weapon.
That's why many old clocks had the word 'regulator' prominently displayed on them:
http://0.tqn.com/w/experts/Clocks-Watches-1747/2010/02/Regulator-Clock-bought.jpg
reg·u·late/ˈregyəˌlāt/
Verb:
Already served, probably before you were born.
Imatthebeach
I'm a life-long liberal.............And you will take my gun from my cold, dead hands.
The way things are going, people, we'd better have guns.
Charlton Heston created a lot of bad vibes for the NRA........Sheesh. What a dried-up old wacko.
Anyone paying attention to what's happening in this country? The only reason things ain't worse is: THEY KNOW WE HAVE GUNS!!
So much for the first amendment lol (comment collapsed)
You people only care about rights when it suits you, pathetic.
I don't like comments being collapsed,either.
Obviously meaning the right to free speech. Nothing guarantees that you have a right to be listened to.
Don't say stupid crap and it won't get collapsed.
Actually, collapsing a comment has just the opposite effect. People, being the curious animals we are , are more likely to open a comment to see why it was collapsed. Thus an idiot gets more people to read their drivel.
I read them because the stupidity put forth in most is hilarious.
BTW: Australia banned ownership of guns. In the following year, armed crimes rose 350%. The law was repealed, and the crime rate is lower now than before. Canada has more territory than the USA, with a fraction of the population. They don't need to shoot each other - they die off waiting for their free medical coverage to take care of them.
DENVERROCKS...i served my military time...HAVE YOU?
if you check the crime stats in kennesaw, ga. there is virtually no crime in that town. ALL the citizens are required to have at least one working, registered firearm in the house. one exception being convicted felons.
most states have control processes in place for the LEGAL purchase of any firearm. law abiding citizens will follow those processes and obtain firearms LEGALLY. those people that choose to live outside the law will find a way to get an ILLEGAL firearm because they have total contempt of the laws of the land.
most people that legally own firearms are in no way gun nuts as some put it. they usually own one or two weapons used for recreational shooting or self protection.
so you ANIT-GUN NUTS shut up and go away. i will own a weapon for my own protection. cannot always wait for the police to arrive in time.
A Japenese admiral was quoted during WWII, that he would never invade the USA. 'Because behind every blade of grass is an American that is armed'.
Wrong, it is not time to take away my gun rights. It is time to arm yourself and be ready. There are more crackpots with guns than normal people. Be prepared for when they snap.
Maybe you should try and teach kids to fight with their fists, first. I teach my grandson how to defend himself and when he is old enough and mature enough, I will teach him to properly use and maintain a firearm.
Make no mistakes, I'm very Democratic and believe in helping my fellow man, but you come and take something of mine and like the song says, "Big man lying on the ground, with a hole in his body where his life had been ..."
As someone who works in Payroll & Human Resources, this is the scarest moment we have in the business. A disgruntled employee is unpredictable especially after they have been terminated (which in this story, they don't mention if he is still an employee). It is awful to hear three employees are dead when he just went home to attempt to kill himself. Never makes any sense to me why people need to hurt others like this. My prayers are with their co-workers and families.
Agree. This man had a job and he had a home to which he fled after unloading his gun and ego on defenseless co-workers. He felt entitled to do that. Doubtful U.S. society can ever deal with the enormous number of damaged men for whom nothing is ever enough, resulting in their non-stop infliction of terror and harm on others.
It is hard to understand how somebody can go that route, no matter how disgruntled.
Another mass shooting. They seem to have become a regular fixture of modern American life.
were the others... gruntled...with bullet holes...
Too bad they air lifted the gunman to a hospital. More taxpayer expense in addition to a trial and jail time.
it's friday the 13th...shot happen's...
Rustyboy, PLEASE try reading before you post a comment. The gunman is dead.
The article above says he is in critical condition.
tanainkc, the gunman isn't dead. He is in critical condition.
My heart goes out to the families of the victims. This is SO sad.
Too bad no one from human resources ever gets TERMINATED.
Tanainke.
PLEASE READ the article!!
Owens told WXII that the suspect shot himself at his house. He was airlifted to a hospital.
WRAL.com identified the suspect as Ronald Dean Davis, 50, and said he was in critical condition.
Flexxolicious - That is actually incorrect but thank you before an a$$ about termination. I have been laid off twice in the last 3 years thanks to this market. However, due to my career choice and quality of work, I am able to find a new job sooner than others. So you might want to wish bad fortune on yourself rather an a specific department you seem to have an issue with. Sorry you cannot have a good experience with HR.
i would think the opposite of gun control i mean if the coworkers were carrying sidearms they could have defended themselves and maybe only 1 or 2 people would be dead if any if we all had guns would the guy really try to storm in shooting people he knew were armed and could shoot back. of course its easy to go into a place and shoot at unarmed people but i bet half the gun violence would change overnight if everyone was packing. Of course the ignorant will spout guns are bad all day long and not the people who are using them. There is a reason we all have the right to carry a gun.
Piss me off, you phucking jerk.
Gun control freaks pay attention:
Circa 1984:
Location : Western NY township of approx 600 people.
I am sleeping in my house on a muggy Aug. night with my wife and twin 18 month old sons. It was approx 01:30 hrs when I heard the sound of a breaking window downstairs. I grabbed my licensed Ruger GP100 .357 mag( at that time I had a pistol permit for 6 years) and went downstairs to investigate. Not surprisingly, an intruder with a pistol was walking around my dining room. I yelled that I was armed and willing to protect my family at all costs. He then proceeded to open fire at me with 4 shots ( He was a bad shot thank God) and in turn, I fired 2 shots, one of which was fatal. I immediately called the NY State police, reported what happened, and after all the facts were obtained, I was not charged, as it was a case of self-defense. I still have that pistol to this day, as it saved my life and the lives of my family. Now if the gun control nuts at that time had their way, I would not be here today. And YES, I am a lifetime member of the NRA and proud of it.
If the stories in the press are any indication, which I concede may be a stretch on many things but is reasonable with this type, there are far more folks killing with guns than defending with them. And if the violent shooters didn't have guns in the first place, one wouldn't need guns to defend against them either. I'm not saying I'm for gun control, I'm just pointing out that the NRA argument doesn't make sense either. Something is definitely wrong when some white guy can decide he's pissed off enough to become GOD just because he handily has a gun around......Regarding acting in anger in general, White men have a lot of splainin to do.....
That sounds good in theory, but the reality is if you're actually doing some real work, like picking things up and moving them around, your sidearm is virtually guaranteed to keep getting in the way. It's more than a minor nuisance, it drastically reduces your productivity. If you are required by law or by your own wise decision to keep your weapon concealed, ensuring that others can't see it becomes very tricky when you have a physical job. Your gun takes a beating, and so do you! Ask any police officer. The sidearm they carry bears the scuffs and scrapes from collisions with all kinds of things, and the officer could tell you about the many scrapes and abrasions, maybe even bruises, he or she has sustained through the years from brushing their elbow or forearm against the butt end of their service weapon.
Unless you have a nicely rounded pistol with a polymer frame and a stainless steel slide and barrel (in other words, a top-of-the line model of recent manufacture) the combination of sharp edges and seeping oil also conspire to ruin your clothing in short order. If you wear clothes that really are 'work' clothes, okay, but if you wear something nicer as you go about your day, your clothing can get clapped out pretty fast if you're not careful. The linings of sport coats and suit jackets are especially vulnerable, but shirts and trousers aren't exactly immune, either.
These are things that people who start carrying a concealed handgun learn very quickly, and also why many of them end up not carrying a gun regularly after several months or a year.
In a business setting, what often ends up happening is that if there is a weapon present, it's the business owner's and it is secured in his or her office. Sometimes this is about all the law will allow, sometimes it is all the business owner will allow (and then, quite often out of fear of liability and keeping insurance coverage for the business), but other times even if the law and the business owner welcome employees to carry firearms, it doesn't last long because they keep getting in the way and the hassle they present apparently outweighs any perceived benefit.
Do keep in mind that most such businesses are very small with only a few employees. When this is the case, it is vital everyone pulls their share of the workload! There usually isn't anyone working there who isn't absolutely needed, so everyone needs to be contributing 100%. Anything that interferes with that isn't going to be put up with for long.
Also, a small business lacks a lot of experience that larger businesses gain the hard way and a lot of learning is through mistakes being made. Any business owner will tell you their insurance carrier wields a very large stick when it comes to what the business does and how it goes about it. Most of them are absolutely unenthusiastic, in not so many words, about armed employees. This is why virtually all businesses that issue an employee handbook will prohibit weapons in the workplace. If that is not stated policy and a shooting does happen, the business and their insurance carrier will have a real mess on their hands. If an employee violates a no-weapon policy and brings a weapon to work, that does mitigate the situation for the business a considerable amount as they have officially not encouraged or condoned the presence of the weapon.
taniake...please reread your post and the story, it says the shooter was airlifted just as Rusty said, It doesn't say he died....yet
Another tragic example of how those people who live in backwater remote areas deal with the challenges of the modern world economy. Granted things are difficult for many of you, but these repeated episodes of horrific violence? One can only conclude through investigating these incidents that the lack of proper breeding, upbringing and education ultimately leads to this.
Yeah, because this sort of thing NEVER happens in big cities, does it?
The gunman was a disgruntled employee, end of story. This has nothing to
do with gun control. So stop ASSUMING things.
Seems like too many today look towards firearms to make a point.
The man could have used a kitchen knife to kill three people, should we outlaw kitchen knives ? A gun is a tool, there are more guns in the small town where I live than residents. The last homocide we had here was almost twenty years ago. It involved two mentally ill young men from the city and they stabbed an elderly women.
We still need to blame the person and not the weapon. Sad for the coworkers that got in his way, but thank god he took himself out so we don't have to let him go thru the court system.
yup ! the perp could have just smashed in there heads with a piece of lumber from behind and killed them just as easy ! the company should have had there own gun in the payroll dept to protect themselves and the cash from thieves, but then everyone screams out for gun control ! if they had one most likely just the perp would be dead and not the victims
People have been killing each other for millenia. First with sticks and rocks, then knives and spears, then guns. This is nothing new. If someone feels wronged or cheated, they are going to take out their frustrations on those they felt cheated or wronged them. That is human nature and we're (for the most part) still uncivilized monkeys. The only civility we have is the thin veneer on top that society requires of us. Take away something, screw with us, or impose a disaster on us, and that thin veneer gets peeld back rather quickly exposing the ugly underneath. Give us another 10,000 years and maybe we can evolve into more rational creatures. Until then we have to understand a few things first....we cannot legislate morality.....horrible tragedies happen... and you cannot stop a determined person.
robert f.-1925795
How many mass killing do you read about done with a kitchen knife? Have you ever read about a child killed by a drive by kitchen knife attack? Or one killed while sitting in their home when a kitchen knife came through the wall and killed them? And of course, lets not forget all the mothers who kill their children or wound them, because they did not realize as they done the dishes, that knives were still loaded as she cleaned them.
Are you kidding me? That would put some level of responsibility on the individual and remove it from a tool. It'll never happen. For example, just the other day I was using a utility knife to cut a piece of carpeting and the damned knife had the audacity to slice my finger along with the carpet. That resulted in the knife getting blood all over the carpet, a trip to the doc for 5 stitches, a crew to clean the carpet, a prescription for pain meds and . That $3 knife cost me hundreds of dollars because it cut me. Somebody needs to legislate the degree of sharpness on the blades so myself and others won't be tempted to use a cutting tool.
Oops, my bad. They have started to legislate sharp tools. After all, that is what caused the World Trade Centers to collapse and kill thousands - sharp blades.
While it wasn't exactly a kitchen knife, thousands were killed through the use of a box cutter/utility knife at the World Trade Center.
I'm a life-long liberal.............And you will take my gun from my cold, dead hands.
The way things are going, people, we'd better have guns.
Charlton Heston created a lot of bad vibes for the NRA........Sheesh. What a dried-up old wacko.
Anyone paying attention to what's happening in this country? The only reason things ain't worse is: THEY KNOW WE HAVE GUNS!!
Thinker - Get a grip on reality. He may have hijacked the plane w/ a box cutter but it was the airplane strategically crashing into the Trade Center's weak spot that brought it down killing thousands. You can bet your bottom dollar if the pilot had any idea what these guys were going to do he would have kamikazed into the Hudson or Atlantic. I'm not making a gun statement either way but your statement is ridiculous.
A tool, really? What's the purpose of this tool? Hammering nails? Seems to me it was designed for one purpose: killing.
Google Chinese child killings... there were multitudes of innocent children mass murdered at schools all over China in the last year or two. Weapons of choice? Usually meat cleavers. It's possible.
But guns do make it easier to kill a lot of people very quickly. How cowardly and uncaring to kill other people while maybe the killer lives... lives destroyed for no reason.
What is the primary use of a kitchen knife? And the primary use of a gun? That is the stalest argument out there other than guns don't kill people (that just make that act so simple)?
And doubtful that at a lumber yard someone with a kitchen knife would kill 3 and wound another. Maybe if it was a vet with combat training but not your average Joe.
TOOL - an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations. So what mechanical operation is a gun accomplishing other than launching a projectile? That's about it unless you use the butt as a hammer (LOL!).
Imatthebeach - You are most correct. In fact, in Top Secret documents released by the Japanese about WW-II the Japanese Joint Chiefs knew we were vulnerable on the west coast after Pearl Harbor but did not try to invade because they said they knew Americans owned guns and they didn't think they would ever get off the beach. An armed population is a good deterrent against both domestic and foreign domination.
Guns don't kill people...
TOOLS DO.
I say let's give everyone hand grenade tools, too. After all, someone can use a piece of lumber and kill just as many people just as quickly and effectively as a grenade. The only difference is the 2x4 wielder would have to yell ,"Kablooie!" and kill all twelve people in about a nanosecond. I mean, all that lumber lying around might give someone the idea that they can exact revenge upon those who've done them wrong. 2x4's just present too much of a temptation to kill, you know.
While, we're at it..
Let's stop trying to prevent Iran from developing nuclear TOOLS. They're just trying to develope TOOLS.
Tools argue against gun control.
Have a nice day.
In Florida, a few years ago, a fourth-grader actually showed up at school with a grenade.
If only all the other fourth graders had grenades it would be a lovely world indeed...
Have a nice day.
A Veteran, Thank you for serving our country. And right now, I'm far more concerned about domestic domination and oppression than I am the foreign variety. People just aren't getting it.
Ron Paul 2012
Yeah George Bush and our military could have just gone to Iraq and fought with bricks, sticks, kitchen knives etc., and taken out Saddam why waste money on those aircrafts, missiles, not to mention the nuclear weapons. Why have police, lets just all keep weapons at home and defend ourselves.
Know what's really scary? Automobiles kill 3 times as many people as guns--every day, and cars weren't even designed to kill. In fact, they're designed with every safety feature imaginable. I think some of you people would be a lot happier living on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Before you move though, you might want to check out the crime rates over there. For some strange reason, those rates have risen dramatically since guns were banned. Go figure.
Hey plain bob, can you imagine how many more people would have died if this happened on Monday the 13th as opposed to Friday the 13th?
but again why? lraq didnt atack us.
but its not the guns,just the dumb people that want to kill people
For all of the people getting worked up over the gun issue. He worked at a freaking palletmill. If you've never been in one then you've no idea, the type of items one can kill or maim with. He could have easily used a compressed air nail gun to kill 3 or 4 people. He could have probably gotten his hands on a chain saw and did the job with that. In large sawmills there are usually low power charges for splitting stubborn logs, coupled with a few pounds of nails.... you get the picture. Or he could have just hopped on a forklift and ran people over. I could continue... the point is he wanted to kill and he did. Sick is sick, whether he used a car, a gun, or just locked the doors, doused the building with gas and set it on fire. The gun means nothing, it was a TOOL. Every day you walk on the sidewalk some sicko could decide to take out a crowd with a car or truck. If that happens then what, outlaw motor vehicles. People, get a grip!
robert f. and moose69, guns are WEAPONS, period! They're good for one thing and one thing ONLY...and that's killing, period! Why is it people (like the shooter in this incident) seem to think that guns are a solution to their problems? Let's just have everyone packing heat and that will prevent terribly tragic incidents like this from happenning. That's as lame as it gets! I always get a kick out of the nitwits who say cars kill people, but we don't outlaw cars. Cars are a mode of transportation, that people, largely through their own bad judgement, cause accidents in that result in injuries and fatalities. Big difference!
@doug
Hmmm... let's try:
Guns are a hunting implement, that people, largely through their own bad judgement, cause accidents with that result in injuries and fatalities.
Or...
Guns are sports equipment, that people, largely through their own bad judgement, cause accidents with that result in injuries and fatalities.
You realize that, in this country, more rounds are fired in sporting competitions and hunting than are fired in anger, right?
Ban automatic weapons and handguns.
Takenaka.... you say that every time there's a violent crime reported in the news. This has been going on for months and months. Seriously: if you don't have anything of substance to contribute, please don't post at all. It's annoying to hear your same unqualified monotony over and over again on the boards. It's essentially spam.
I don't see the big-deal ... he was assuming his 2nd Amendment *Remedies* the Tea Baggers assured was Founding Father specific for anybody who hates anybody else ... see Palins' Blood Libel rant after the Tucson massare for further proof ...
See Debbie Wasserman's diatribe on the matter, blaming the TEA party.
She's an ass hole.
Wasserman didn't name & target teabaggers & right-wingers with bullseyes like Palin did with Libs so your insane asylum-like Beckerhead Faux Noize hysteria & torment is noted ...
And had he walked into there and stabbed 3 people with a knife what would your response be? So many of you ignorant people want to throw the blame on everything but the problem, the person pulling the trigger! take away the gun and you accomplish nothing, someone who is at that point of killing another does not need a gun to do the deed.
Steve, go back to Faux and let the sane adults have our conversation
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exotix....................take another hit and go back to spankin yur carrot, you make no sense.
Steven B: Excellent post!
She is the same fool that "feebly attempted to blame the Tea Party for the massacre in Tucson, when everyone KNEW the shooter was an anti-Bush, anti-Republican loon?"
There is an endless list of names that we could use in an "attempt to describe" one of the most revolting, horrid, despicable, little Rat-faced creatures anyone has ever seen, read or heard of in any Biology, Anthropology or Zoology books... and there isn't a "single one" that could possibly be complimentary in any way.
The fact that the Dems "actually selected her" to represent their party "speaks volumes" about why anyone "should or should not" support their agendas?
TRANSLATION:
"I cannot dispute your facts, so I will resort to ad-hominem attacks".
If the problem is some people, theres nothing wrong with making sure those people cant have weapons. And a guy with a knife is unlikely to commit a mass killing. People would have a fighting chance. Guns make it way too easy to killing lots of people fast.
No usa from1967 ... I'm gonna stick around to see if we can get a rare glimpse how teabaggers & right-wing gun-nutcases ... actually tell us about their 2nd Amendment *Remedies* Tea Bag style as opposed to say stabbing as LibPisserOffer suggests ... that is, like strangulation, it's up close and personal and suggests and goes to a morbid instrospection to feel & see life leave the body ... shooting somebody is the preferred way for Tea Baggers that's impersonal ...
Palin could have easily used say, some kind of stabbing instrument for targeting Dems on her SarahPAC Dems Targe List ... instead she used bullseyes ...
Lots to ponder on this one ...
Note that mass killings dont happen at all where gun free zones actually exist.
There is no gun free zone in America.
Schools, hospitals...
I agree completely. This is what happens when we have a country full of gun nuts. There are shootings almost daily. I bet there will be another one by the end of the weekend. What's the big deal? People don't buy guns to accessorize a new outfit. They buy them to kill. This is no longer "news".
My guns have never ever made me want to shoot anyone. Are they broken?
More people are killed by cigarettes...it is just slower and more painful. But as long as there is money in it there will always be smokes.
The first thing a governmnet does to control its people is to take away their guns. They use a lot of "good for all of us" crap and get pussies to whimper about how scary the bad guns are.
But when our guns are gone...we can be herded as needed, controlled as necessary.
Why was this worker disgrunted? That is very seldom, if ever, reported on. What caused him to be Peed off about work or co workers?
I also feel sorry for the families who lost their loved ones.
Very good point.
It wouldn't be an issue if these people had it coming, but I doubt they had it coming.
Please - if you are reading this and are ready to do the same - just turn that thing around and bring ONLY yourself down
I wonder if those jobs openings will count as Jobs created by the u know who
yeah you mean the rich 1 percent .right? or do you mean congress? you know, the ones that pass bills...
hahahaha....lol. this is the best post of the day!!!!
I truly believe it is a depression issue that is never talked about. I think this Country has become about how good you look, how much money you make and what kind of car you drive....No-one....and I mean No-one can live up to the HYPE. People feel less than, think they're not good enough....
When I was growing up there was no murder sucide...take em all with ya type attitude...because people actually respected others....there's no respect left....it's all about me and mine.
soooo friggin sad!
Listen to the drug ads on TV. The pills that are being given to folks cause thoughts of suicide.
Those committing suicide are taking family, and/or friends with them.
I was thinking the same thing the other day AZ.
My condolences to those who lost loved ones.
Az is into drugs. fox has drugged too many already.
Disgruntled employee = fired employee - a nutjob allowed to own a gun/s= workplace shooting
Yes, we need the Archie Bunker approach to airplane hijacking. Give every passenger a gun, so if anyone tries anything they will be out gunned by all the good people on board. So where do you live, at the police station or the military firing range?
NRA Member.....you don't know if a gun-free policy would have prevented them from gettng killed. Do you know any of the four victims? Do you know if they own firearms? Even if they did have them, would they have had a chance to use them?
I don't like how gun control advocates get all crazy when something like this happens. I don't think anyone disagrees with trying to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people. However, it doesn't help when gun advocates such as yourself take the other extreme.
mugtech..............you missed the point. Guns in the hands of honest hard working people is always a good thing.
Since they didn't have one, they also didn't have the chance to find out. Some chance is better than none.
To all of you who want to squash the 2nd amendment: Yeah, let's go ahead and take guns or the right to have guns away from law-abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong. Yeah, let's punish them for something that a small percentage of folks do. Really makes a lot of sense. And, no, I do not own a gun nor do I want to, but I don't want to stomp all over the Constitution either. Gun-owning comes with common sense and let us only punish the offenders not others. And I am not a right-wing nut either by any means, so please don't link me with those folks. If I am to be called anything, call me a libertarian.
I'm so sick and tired of people like you whining and insisting that asking for better gun control, background checks, and ANY type of limitations with purchasing guns online and/or at gun shows is trying to stomp out the 2nd Amendment. Making certain that citizens with a criminal history or mental illness have to go thru further scrutiny before getting issued a gun IS common sense. Insuring that gun owners are trained and adept on the gun laws in their state before getting a gun IS common sense. Making certain that gun purchases online and/or at gun shows are as legitimate as purchases at other stores IS common sense. Making certain that our cops that put themselves in harm's way on OUR behalf aren't ungunned from the moment they step onto the streets IS common sense. Limiting the NUMBER of assult weapons that one individual owns IS common sense. And in NONE of these situations is anyone stomping on your door trying to take away your guns. My husband and I are gunowners who take the responsibility seriously and have taken all the proper steps and procedures. But in light of the tragic shootings that occur all over this nation every day, an intelligent conversation must be had to see what can be done to prevent these tragedies, while protecting responsible gun owners with their 2nd Amendment rights. If this conversation was had then maybe the Gifford shooting, tragedy at Virginia Tech, Columbine High School, and too many others could be avoided. This country has more gun related shootings each year than Japan, Australia, Sweden, Spain, Norway, and England combined - and it is because they have tougher gun laws. Yes, their citizens have guns, but their countries have put responsible laws in place -- and don't have lobbyists preventing them. There is a reason why the highest number of gun stores in the US are along the border of Texas and Arizona, lack laws allow guns to be purchased in bulk and driven back to Mexico to the cartels. It's about greed. The welfare of the PEOPLE of this nation need to be put first AND common sense. You are not a libertarian Marie, just a hypocrite.
Online sales of firearms must be transfered through an FFL. That means a background check. Purchases made at a gun show are subject to the same rules as purchase from a gun shop. The FFL is still required to do a background check.
The police have modern, FULL AUTO, assault rifles. They are hardly "outgunned".
Really? How many guns can you shoot at once? I'm thinking that even if you own 20, 2 is about the limit.
ALL shootings are gun related...unless you mean that guy with the crossbow.
No, that was the ATF.
If you took the time to discover HOW and WHERE the firearms in each of these incendents were acquired, you'd see that is not the case. There are laws in place to prevent minors, felons, and the mentally ill from possessing firearms. For some reason, people intent on murder don't seem to care about them.
It's a hoot listening to all those drinking the NRA Kool-Aid. We don't have to worry so much about the bad guys as we do the GOOD guys who GO bad. The number of incidents of home invasion or random violence don't come anywhere NEAR the ones that are perpetrated by random acts of friendly violence. As long as the gun industry is as lucrative as it is they'll continue their campaign of fear and paranoia. I'm a gun owner....but I'm not stupid enough to think that I'll wake, load my gun, and defend my family in the middle of the night. Nor am I stupid enough to have a loaded gun at the ready. But then, I don't live in the 'hood, either.
Unsubstantiated drivel.
Care to cite where your statistics come from geno?
Yes, please, cite your sources or I can will just consider your comment as BS
In addition Kleck's results were confirmed in a study done for the National Institute of Justice. Something that gave the researchers kittens. Try as they might they could not come up with results refuting Kleck's (using variations they came up with a low figure of 1.5 million Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs) and a high of 3.1 million DGUs per year).
Hey Geno....you say you're a gun owner, but don't want to be seen as paranoid or stupid, and keep one loaded in your house. Dude, if you're not a lil paranoid, why would ya have guns to begin with, and if you've got guns, why not keep at least ONE loaded? If somebody DOES break into your house,(and ya don't have to live in the 'hood for that to happen) or any situation where you need it, you're gonna look really f'n stupid tryin' to find the bullets you forgot to buy, or forgot where they are, and fumble around in panic mode tryin' to load your gun while your family gets massacred. WTF ya gonna do with an unloaded gun, throw it at somebody??? Hell, just buy a $5 baseball or just keep a bucket of free rocks in the house! lol Geno...def not short for Genius
And we throw stones at other countries for being 'uncivilized'! There's more than enough two legged animals in this country.
A pity MSNBC doesn't post articles that demonstrate the lawful use of firearms to protect life and property.
But doing that goes against the MSNBC agenda, which includes the mantra that objective journalism isn't allowed if it gets in the way of the 'agenda'.
For example:
Or:
You see, guns are just tools. Inanimate objects.
SNBC is a biased organization; they prove every day that the term 'journalistic integrity' is an oxymoron.
Emphasis on the 'moron'.
I read the story about the mother in OK on MSNBC. Any other fallacies you care to babble on about?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/05/9968356-no-charges-for-teen-widow-who-killed-intruder
it's so easy to remain ignorant when you try so hard.
They say guns are used over 2,000,000 times a year for self defense or to prevent a crime. How many stories does the liberal biased media report?? FEW, of course!!
Can you show where on MSNBC my two articles appear? They are both very recent.
Can you show any other articles like the one you cite on MSNBC?
usa, try looking right above your comment at the link. steven, simply search in any search engine "msnbc intruder shot". i love it, you get proven wrong then want more evidence of just how wrong you are.
I did you one better; I searched "intruder shot" on the MSNBC engine. There were 49 results. That's it.
Then I did one on 'shooting'. 6,330 results!
Do you question the overt bias against guns by MSNBC?
Nah Steven, we all completely missed not only the "print" story, but the video as well just a few days ago on NBC news(full video) and MSNBC ("print")about the girl in OK City who killed a home invader. Now go sit down and eat your porridge, and be a good lil boy.
YAWN! Nothing new here, move along....
here's sump'n... new to me...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km42CG26GZM
Good one Bob!
Coastal Exchange.......gun nut? If he had used a bomb he would be a bomb nut? If he had used a club he would be a club nut? I admit guns do make killing more convenient for those nuts inclined to do so, but do not blame the tool of choice. By doing so you take away your right to defend yourself with a gun against a gun. I understand these victims were not armed, but abolishing the gun rights of this country will only disarm people like you and me and ARM THE LAW BREAKERS.
This is why you should show up late to work. Crazies are always on time... usually because they were up the whole night planning. Just stopping by McDonalds and grabbing a McMuffin could have had someone showing up after the event already took place.
the hidden question of course is, which nfl playoff game is this incident related to?......jff
Since it is tastless comic relief time....
Maybe he was a little board.
A Chip of the ole block.
Did he yell "Timber" when they fell?
Ok, back to reality.
I know that employers don't give a damn, but if they tried to show a little compassion
when they have to dismiss an employee, maybe this wouldn't happen so often.
They just love it when they can say " well, you screwed up so you're outta here, hit the road"
Sounds like you have been through that process a few times.....
The gun is the easiest weapon to use. Without is he would have found another way.
I carry a loaded weapon on my hip all the time. Never needed it but might someday.
doesn't that make slow-dancing a little dicey?
Outside of the military I've needed to draw a weapon 3 times to stop a crime either against myself or another person. That's 3 times in 10 years. What most people fail to account for is most people like you will never need to draw a weapon. Not once have I needed to actually pull the trigger. Not saying I would not have, had the situation gone badly. But as you have stated a gun is only a tool. So are hammer and baseball bats. It dependes on whose hands it is in and what they decide to do withit that matters most. Personally I would rather carry a firearm and not need it than need it and not have it!
Off topic MSN needs a proof reader or learn how to use spell check!
Off topic MSN needs a proof reader or learn how to use spell check!
unfortunately, every site does now. the real problem is that spell check doesn't change grammatical errors.
Guess you don't fly much.
Recently seen bumper sticker: Don't question my right to own a gun and I won't question your stupidity not to!!!!!!!
hay all you IGMOs guns do not kill people people kill people with guns do you not have any brains at all.
goahead kill the 2 amd. but you better learn chinese because they will invade us as soon as the guns are taken,and don't be foolish enough to think our mill. can stop it even with the help of canada we would be doomed. Yall need to go to tractor supply and by you a BIG tractor and you know why.He is just another nut that went over the edge.
why would the Chinese want this broke down commercial hellhole that's just crawling with ignorant
violent billynecks?
Mike, the Chinese don't want America, they just need to do an inventory check at WalMart since they sold out the American factory worker in favor of cheap Chinese crap. They gotta know everything is A OK
and how will it get any better? not walmart, i mean for us real people.
I dont get it. If you get fired from a job, collect unemployment, do odd jobs for cash, and look for a new job. Chances are you will find something better than what you had.
I don't get it either. The sane cannot understand the insane, because they are insane...and there is no understanding that explains their behavior. This is the definition of insane < in = not sane = of sound mind.
Can't find logic in the illogical. This is why it it illogical.
Fired or laid off? I thought if you were laid off, you could get unemployment, but not if you were fired.
AG,
If you get fired you can apply for unemployment, it comes down to whether or not the company contests it. If they do you will have a hearing and the unemployment office decides based on testimony and circumstances.
And we go again.... every week mass murders by guns occurs ! When are you people going to get it ?? this is no longer the 17th century or even the 19th century !! We live in a modern world when guns just like religion should be a thing of the past !
I am so glad I live in Europe, because there mass murders like these very rarely happen.
I'm also glad you live there.
We already have our share of nuts here.
People in your country love to tell us what we are doing wrong. Until they need our aid.
and people in our country love to tell them what they're doing wrong, till we invade. lookatmycastle, i wouldn't call this a MASS murder.
oh and lookatmycastle, till police can prevent murders from happening and get all illegal guns off the street i'll be keeping mine. when seconds count police are only minutes away.
Its easy to put criminals out of the gun business. No licence, no ammo.
freedom, then criminls would pay people who have them to get the bullets. people already buy guns legally and sell them illegally to people who can't buy em.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40572312/
You haven't been to Russia lately have you (oh wait, it's a part of Europe too). They have absolute gun control but there was a mass murder by armed bandits shown on Russia's Channel 1 the other night.
@freedom4everyone
How is a license going to help with ammo. I am sure unlicensed individuals can get black market ammo or simply hand load rounds at home. I'm sure outlawing powder, primers bullets and shells will be really difficult.
This is not a mass murder, it is a multiple homicide. There are many everywhere. Some are perpetrated with automobiles, some with bladed objects...and then there are strangulation's and beatings. When it is involves a pistol or a rifle, suddenly it makes headlines and the weapon used becomes more important than the individuals who have a murderous nature. I, a liberal, own many firearms and would never use them to harm a soul. I do not need them for self protection, that's what women and men in uniform are for. I have a sports car. That does not mean that I break the law or put other motorist in danger. There are many other items abused by individuals that kill many more than the occasional lunatic with a gun. Alcohol and cigarettes...I think the AIDS crisis on the African continent should receive more of your consideration than a statistically infinitesimal problem that otherwise exists only in your imagination.
If you make the legit owners who you suggest will sell to criminals (and thats exactly how criminals get guns now) Keep records. And the stores must keep records. Put serial numbers on everything so it can be traced back to the responsible party selling guns and ammo to criminals. Thats how you make it work. Ammo includes the parts and ingredients for self loaders. If a crook can make his own gunpowder, have at it. But I doubt it.
Nothing is perfect obviously, but this would make it way harder for criminals to get and maintain weapons.
HATR-HUTR, Eric Holder and the current administration are perfect examples of selling guns illegally. Michael Bloomberg sent people out of state to make straw purchases,he should be in federal custody awaiting charges.
You must not read the news too much:
The massacre of around 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica in July 1995 stands out as the worst carnage of the Bosnian war and the largest mass murder in Europe since the Second World War.
i think one of those events only qualifies as a mass injuring. but nice try. feeling a bit ripped off really!
smoking killed more......still killing every day.......but nobody wants to take away the smokes. This is including the fires that are started by careless smoking when the fires burn whole families alive.
But that is ok...the government makes money on that "killing tool." The lawmakers get big donations from tobacco salesmen.
Geno65 - you do know that an "unloaded gun" is the same as a rock.
Unloaded gun is an unloaded gun.
A rock is a rock.
~ Wow, I went to graduate school to learn that. I recommend it.