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Jae C. Hong / AP
In this Dec. 29 photo, Occupy activists test a float made with a giant replica of the U.S. Constitution in Pasadena, Calif. Activists plan to turn out en masse, on Jan. 2, at the annual Rose Parade to demonstrate against corporate greed.
As Pasadena prepares for the annual Tournament of Roses Parade, officials noted it was illegal to disrupt the event, the Los Angeles Times reported on Sunday.
Occupy protesters plan to march behind the parade with an octopus-shaped “human float” to represent the hold corporations have on the country, according to the Occupy Rose Parade website.
Disrupting or impeding a parade is punishable by a $1,000 fine and a jail term of up to six months, the Times report said.
The traditional New Year’s Day parade comes a month after the area was hit by a fierce windstorm that toppled trees, knocked out power in some areas and caused Pasadena close to $15 million in public damage and recovery costs, the Pasadena Star-News reported.
The 2012 parade will be held on Monday, Jan. 2, due to the event’s “Never on a Sunday” tradition that was established in 1893, according to the Tournament of Roses website.
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Well looks like the .0001% aren't done yet are they? Might be interesting to watch the parade tomorrow just to see the pepper spayin' and ass kickin'.
How many people died in OWS encampments? At least six.
You're an optimist! The police will pussy out.
@Bryce: 6 people died, and your point is? The Occupy encampments have been working to alleviate homelessness problems that most cities sweep under the rug. Yes, when you offer shelter to the homeless, there's going to be some violence and death occurring on your watch -- just as there is around homeless shelters. A good question is: how many such people die every day on the streets around the country in the absence of Occupy? My guess is that Occupy is reducing, rather than increasing, overall homeless hardship and mortality. The few instances of violence are being used by opponents of Occupy's message to discredit the movement. But, when Occupy was out of the picture, most of those opponents were happy to ignore the daily violence to which the homeless are victim.
Arrest them and give them the max. These groups are just costing the tax payer more money that could be used for other things. Now lets all blame not increasing taxes on why more civil service people loose their job.
Keep them poor-quality McNuggets a'coming golliegeewilikers lol
Thank you John. With all the critism we get I'm glad someone is mentioning how we are helping people. I am a part-timer at Occupy DC and we help the homeless. A group that I see otherwise largely ignored.
The rose parade will be in Pasadena California- so if you are lookin for pepper spray of your fellow citizens you need to go to Wal-Mart.
For all you US Constitution "lovers"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Marching at the end of a parade while not interfering with the parade isn't criminal. It's joining in the parade. The tactics of Bull Connor won't work.
Devil's
Now I would be to sure about your statements. One the Rights that you are claiming DO HAVE limits and Restrictions. Such as Libel and Slander Laws. Then there is the obstruction of traffic and Trespassing Laws. Now as far as 'joining the Parade' I do think that you need a permit for that. If you don't have a permit you can't join the parade. You lose again. I think you should try and get an education about the Civil Rights Movement before comparing ANYONE to that DEMOCRAT Bull Connor.
What a shame. Parade participants work hard on their floats and are proud to march in this prestigious event. I hope these protesters do nothing more than bring up the rear and don't ruin their special day.
Erh, dummies. The Occupy people and the Rose Parade are cooperating. They will be marching at the back WITH PERMISSION.
You people are so ignorant. Probably can't find your butt when you want to get a load off.
If you're not impeding traffic anymore than the parade is then why should a state or city be allowed to pick and choose who is or is not allowed to march in the streets? If the Occupy folks put in for a permit, even timely, they would've been denied for some bs reason. The folks who continually bitch about the constitution wouldn't defend it if it was against their beliefs. They're hypocrits and a-holes.
Hilarious - so OWS can take over property that they do not own, they can have sex in public, defecate in public, commit rape, murder, and no jail time. - but GOD FORBID they disrupt a Parade. That's just blaspheme.
What a joke.
Our civilized society is completely upside down. The idiots in charge care so much about things that don't much matter at all (like a parade) but real serious stuff like DC politicians and bureaucrats enriching themselves at our expense with their Wall St buddies, and they just look the other way.
I am not an OWS supporter at all - except for this: They are right about Wall St and big banking, they just have it only half right. It is our government that allows and prospers from these misdeeds. Liberal and conservative alike, our government corruption allows for an helps to create this criminal behavior.
Occupy is a JOKE.
You have no clear message. You have no clear plan. 10% of you say you want to reform Healthcare, 10% say it is big business you are after, 10% say it is the wars you have issues with, another 10% say it is corruption in politics, the list goes on and on about what you have problems with but not one solution to the problem. Following people for the sake of following is dangerous.
How can anyone take part in something they have no clear idea what it stands for? CHANGE is not a clear objective.
Idiots stand on street corners crying about an unfair world and demanding others change it. Successful leaders, identify the problems and find solutions to those problems.
lmoa here. A 1000 dollar fine and a six mths in jail. These laws and fines don't even make sense at all.
CA is already bankrupt, and they are releasing criminals onto the streets due to overcrowding of the jail and prison system.
Just give these douche-bags community service and a $250 fine.
Fining them 1k and giving them 6 months in jail will only make things worse for the people in CA. They will lose their jobs, apartments and homes, and then you will increase the homeless population and a bigger burden on the state and the people that are going to have to pick up the tab to pay for their legal fees and expenses since they will become a burden on the state.
I think the CA police and legal system are all brain fried by that CA sun.
The occupier people keep pushing and poking, instigating, and then whine when law abiding citizens going to work everyday, having to walk past the occupier's debris, hit back. We are tired of the empty, mindless, directionless sluggards protesting that they have not received enough of someone elses rewards of hard work and dicipline. The reason hippies are so angry over the current financial downturn is because there is less "freebies" to be taken from others, so they can continue their "free" lifestyle.
Occupier are a bunch of loosers. people that can't function in society, and then end up on the bottom rung. These are often the people that seek for a Gov't that will take from those that have and give to those that don't have.
Peaceful protest is the right of any American, even the ones you don't "like". Fortunately.
@just being me.....
exactly, just being you..... c'mon, if you haven't done enough research to even know how to spell occupy correctly then you shouldn't be leaving a comment. You have probably done no research except maybe walk by and listen to the news. You have the time to write this comment and probably read others as well but can't type ows in google and do some research? that's lazy, not the occupy people. while the message may seem skewed, the core is simply our politicians should be writing and voting for legislation based upon what their constituents want, not what the corporations that will fund, or not fund, their next campaign want. Everything else is personal agenda. Read first, then write. sheesh. and turn off the darn tv.
The decisions in this country should be made on behalf of what we the people want, the 99%, not what the corporations who fund political campaigns and more want, and yes, that would be the 1%. There, now you can go back to being lazy and read some other stupid article
These occupy people need to occupy a job!!!!
To all you complaintive complacent, do nothing, to lazy to advocate promoters of the system beign fine as it is, go take a crap somewhere nice and comfy so you can enjoy wiping your own asses.
Even if OWS is unorganized, even if some of its members are street people, even if they are blocking thoroughfares and streets, their right to protest is Constitutional and should not be opposed or oppressed by illegal law enforcement using their sideline laws to intimidate and harass. You folks are a sorry excuse for Americans. Oh, yes at all cost protect OUR rights as Americans, but the heck with everyone else just because my lazy do nothing ass doesn't get out there and shout for change, and I in my almighty perceptions and wisdom disapprove of their actions!
You're worthless and shameful with no argument against it, for no protest is totally peaceful, look at the Civil Rights Movements that gave us our right of free speech free of law encroachment. Sure they make mistakes as they chose not to be beleaguered with a single entity that could move the masses at a whim or thought or word and get it corrupted with politics. So they get out of synch. Yes, there have been some who died, but no murders. A couple of suicides I believe are tallied to actually being within the encampments, but the murder was on the street away from the camps, in a city where they have several murders per year. Rape or attacks, few and far between and certainly not done by legitimate OWS protesters. There are ruffians and hooliganism in every crowd and I can guarantee you that certain powers that be most likely hired their own trouble makers to go play dirty and cause trouble just to give it a bad rep. I wouldn't pout it past them at all.
But that's not the shameful part, the shameful part is that here is a method and movement where, even if you don't agree in total, they have already shed a light on the need for stiffer regulatory control of our financial barons and powers, they have diorected attention to the fact that most Americans are fed up with teh Fed, and tired of the excuses for why no one on Wall Street has ben prosecuted, and now we see prosecutors are bringing charges against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac execs and suits are receiving landmark case rewards for clients against Bank of America and the likes.
So don't sit back on your asses and whine and cry about things and then whine and cry about a movement that merely says, the rich and wealthy run the country, and the gap between a normal family's chance to own a home and seek a productive rewarding lifestyle has grown 250% since 2007 while the rich, the politicians and corporate/industries businesses have not only received billions in help to survive the crash, but have profited and are making record earnings!
You label them as the non-working, lazy, bums of some fantasy land street people society that is protesting, while all the time people look at you as the stupid ignorant mess that you are.
How good comments on here that receive a dozen or more votes of approval can get collapsed by a community I don't know, but something is amiss in the system when good points that receive many thumbs up, are collapsed to hide them, but we read them anyways you morons.
Quit complaining and get off your ass and do something. If you don't like OWS, get off your worthless butts and go anti-protest them then, but no...it would mean you would actually have to get up from your thrones of self-righteousness and ridicule and actually for once go and do something for a change just to promote change.
And you think we're the "self-righteous" ones.....you're a joke !!!
Worthless or not I thank the occupy protest for doing something. Our system needs to and can only get better partially from what they are doing which is a lot more than the nothing they could be doing. Thank you...
John, what jobs are there for them to occupy?
To those who said that the Ocupy movement has the constitutional right to block streets, disrupt traffic, and "peacefully assemble": It is true that you have the right to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievence. However, you do not have the right to interfere with anyone elses rights. If you block an intersection, or a public right of way, you are interfering with my right to use that same venue.
For the supporters of the Occupy movement: What, exactly, do you propose? I read a lot of complaints, but I see no solutions to the problems. At least, I see no well thought out solutions to the problems. What should be done? What are the ramifications of those changes? How will this solve the problem? What will it cost? What results should I expect to see? When should I see those results? How would this make the situation better? Quit complaining, and offer solutions.
Make them march behind the animals. They can happily step in the steaming "Obama's" they dropped.
The Rose Parade should've just left them march in the parade. I mean why not? What's the harm? Watching some folks walk by expressing a greivance is no different than watching the Tuscaloo marching band play Louie Louie... in fact it might be better.
John-900908
what are you doing to create jobs? Supporting those Wall Street big shots who export jobs rather than products? Driving a foreign jacked up 4x4? Shopping at BigboxMart?
Problem was they didn't make their float with flowers...
Bad start, Laer Carroll-3161729. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
A lot of other comments restored. Late pass - the three-day weekend makes for a lot of catch-up.
Everyone is tired of these worthless hippie/socialist rat bastards. Now everything they do from this point on is but masturbation.
what are they scared of? the occupiers in the boston parade did no damage
OWS is the biggest bunch of losers we have ever seen in the US. They are an extension of the anarchist who protested the Group of 8 over the past 10 years. Druggies who have accomplished nothing and want everything for themselves. In a word - COMMUNISTS
OMFG, just once i wish you ignorant right wing nut jobs would open a frickin dictionary and learn what the words communist and socialist and fascist mean and stop using them for everything you dislike. You don't do yourself any favors coming on here and making a fool of yourself.
Bryce, have you actually visited an Occupy site before making generalizations of this kind? I don't think so, because what you're saying doesn't at all resemble the reality that I've seen. For the past few weeks, I've been facilitating a weekly class on the Constitution for my local Occupy group. (I'm a former attorney and present political science instructor.) The people attending the class aren't communists or loser druggies. They're citizens who care enough about the corruption of this country's economy and government to organize with one another to help restore our democracy and our commons. If our country manages to right its course, it's going to be because of the efforts of people like these.
Bryce
You wouldn't know what communism was if it bit you in the a$$.
this country was founded on democracy and free enterprise. not on government handouts. if they want to protest the way government is run so be it but do not protest a mans wealth. just because someone has succeded does not make it his responsiblility to provide for those that didn't. as long as people go to movies, sporting events, buy products etc.., corporations will make money. how they spend that money (ceo salaries etc) is up to them and their stockholders. i have not met anyone yet that has turned down a raise and said " no i make too much give it to someone else" the occupiers might have good intentions but their message, focus, and excecution is all wrong.
Scott, the Occupy movement isn't a protest against the rich. It is a remonstration of how some of those .1% obtained that wealth. Please pay attention.
Scott: Agreed. Let's cut back on that massive welfare program known as the military (free health care, tax breaks to get employed, free ride to college all for shooting brown people for a bunch of rich old men who make money off of military contracts)! Those bums are stealing my tax dollars!
I agree it is not about the rich. It is about the handouts that are being given to Banks, Companies and special interest projects of lobbyists and politicians. Do you know that most companies that have sent their work overseas for cheaper wages are still getting tax breaks and even subsidies while they are doing this. You have Oil Companies who literally threaten to cut off oil production and jack up the price of gas, if their subsidies were taken away, but yet they have made huge profits. You have banks that were bailed out by you and me and what did they do with the money? They gave themselves bonuses, vacations, etc., but yet when it came to try and help give some relief to people trying to pay their mortgages the banks stated no can do! You have all kinds of loop holes that are allowing companies and the very rich to get away from not paying taxes which in turn puts the burden on the middle class, which won't be around too much longer if it keeps up, and the lower income class. This is what some of the issues they are trying to bring attention to. I agree that all tax loopholes need to closed up, oil companies need to be taken off the subsides tit, and I feel that an American Company should receive fines for taking their factories out of the USA and putting them in 3rd world countries. I hear alot of people yell buy American only. How can you when most of the so-called "American" Companies have abandon the USA for other countries. Yet these companies still want tax breaks and subsidies from the government. What is Wrong With this Picture.?EVERYTHING!!! The handouts they are yelling about is the handouts that are still being given to the rich and to businesses, these need to be stopped. You yell about the so-called "handouts to people who, due to downward economy, budget cuts, etc. need some help, but yet you don't seem to realise what handouts the government give to companies.
Moochi2...back off the Military..."welfare program"...really...they give all...what have you given....??? I'm guessing that you don't appreciate your freedom enough to thank a soldier...so go live with the "brown people", as you called them....you obviously don't deserve to live here if can't be grateful to the those that serve their country with their lives...stop blaming the soldiers themselves...you are a disgrace calling it "welfare program known as the military!" I am a PROUD mother of 2 soldiers! They chose to be soldiers after 911...not for the "free" benefits..as you put it...I would like to see you tell your feelings to a SOLDIER or better yet... tell your feelings to a mother of a soldier KIA!!! If you can't stand behind our troops...please feel free to stand in front of them!!!!!!!!!!
What on earth is the reason that John Davidson in 2.4 was collapsed? Unreal!
I'd agree Bryce except when the minority elite have enough political clout to influence laws in their favor while working hard to silence us commoners I have problem with that.
We have illegal aliens flowing into our country taking our jobs and using public services compliments of your taxes. Little is done to curb it in part because the cooperate elite needs their cheap labor to make them even more rich and powerful. In the meantime, Americans holding up a sign demanding their voice be heard during the Rose Bowl parade are risking fines and jail time because there's a lot of money in football, even college football and no damn commoner is going to get in the way. Is anyone besides me finding something wrong with this?
I've made a lot of sacrifices to get through college and I secured a good paying job but if I screw up, I'm out on my butt. However, every damn time the county I live in miscalculates the budget, they lay off teachers, police and other needed public servants to pay for THEIR screw ups while voting themselves a raise. I'm not the only county who goes through this every few years.
I can go on but will stop here. I don't know about you, but I have a problem with all of this. When there are those who finally had enough and are willing to stand up and demand to be heard, I don't blame them. Maybe these are some of those folks who were laid off in order to pay for someone else's mistakes.
Scott ivey, you have just met your first one. Yes, i did turn down a .25 an hour wage increase, telling my foreman that I thought the company needed it more than I. I really didn't need a slap in the face, when the foreman were getting quarterly bonuses and the workers nothing. Got .50 still wasn't happy but, made a point and foreman still got bonuses.
Moochi2, I'm with frog-3304072... BACK OFF!!!! I am the daughter of a veteran who served in Korea and in Vietnam. The Army taught him to be responsible, something many of my generation are incapable of, they taught him how to work hard, they also taught him the value of pride, hard work and sacrifice. Finally they taught him to value the importance of his country and what it stands for, what it was supposed to stand for when this country was created. That is FREEDOM. Guess what, not once has my father asked for anything to be handed to him. He has worked all of his life and now, as a veteran and retiree, he has earned the right to sit in his chair and relax. How many jobs have you worked Moochi2? Are you a loyal employee to anyone? Are you a budding entrepreneur working hard to provide for your family? Or did you quit or get fired from your last job and are upset because your unemployment might get cut off? Before you take pot shots at a group make sure you understand them. The military is solely used at the discretion of the United States Government. Their Commander in Chief is the President of the United States. They are not run by corporations. If corporations have influence in the military, its in the office of the President the influence is used. Most of the young men and women that join our Armed Services join to represent their country and serve with honor and dignity. A soldier earns their retirement or disability check. What do you earn? What do you stand for and represent? Do you sing the National Anthem? Do you know the Pledge of Allegiance? Do you salute the flag that represents your country? Finally, I must ask you Moochi2, would you lay down your life to save the life of the person next to you? A soldier would. So SHUT YOUR FACE ABOUT THE MILITARY!!!!! Oh and by the way, if you were so worried about the people the military are fighting against, you would call them Iraqi's, Afghans, Muslim Extremists, Shia, Iranian, Saudi or any of the multitude of names the ARAB peoples go by; you are disrespecting them by referring to them as "brown people" and you and the likes of you are the reason they hate our country!
Hey Moochie; I hear Al Qaeda and the Taliban are hiring suicide bombers. You can download an application right online.
If it wasn't for the US military doing what they do, you wouldn't be able to shoot your mouth off like you're doing now without being thrown in jail or getting your head cut off. There are plenty of groups out there lining up just waiting for the right moment to strike us and happily take away the very rights you enjoy. If they didn't volunteer to risk their lives and do their jobs to protect even you, they'd have to bring back the draft and put you and your kids in boots. Sleep well tonight.
Moochi - You take the freedoms given to you by the military for granted and then complain because they're being given benefits. That's just beyond comprehension.
What does it take to become such a worthless self-absorbed hack?
I served from Vietnam to the first Gulf war. Moochie isn't worth fighting for. So many Americans hated us veterans for so many years. We were despised so much that we refused to wear uniforms off base, and it was better to travel through airports in civilian clothing. I did my part, but I wonder some days if it was worth it.
If you are a vet, a family member of a vet...which country was it, was it CHINA, the USSR...maybe North Korea...I have too wonder because I am a VET of the USA, where I swore an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION, which includes the right to speak, to be heard, to have an opinion, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM TO PROTEST PEACEFULLY, even if YOU don't like it. IT IS THEIR RIGHT!
Now if you have a problem with the rights of We The People, then by all means, STFU and go BACK to a communist country that believes as you do, that the people are just 'things' and have no rights.
Moochi -
Your last sentence... were you being sarcastic?
Because if you weren't, I'm with you.
As for you people braying about how wonderful the military is, the FACT is they have accomplished more than bin Laden could ever do to empower terrorism and hatred against the U.S.
Rather than protecting you from imaginary weapons of mass destruction, they have turned a nearly secular country into a breeding ground for Islamic terrorists, insured that the entire civilized world is disgusted with the U.S., and committed crimes against humanity and against international law while taking pictures of their deeds for their sick, twisted selves to gloat over in the dark hours of the night.
And now, they are coming home to a town near YOU.
PaulF, I hope you will come to understand that the vast majority of us are pointing out both sides of the coin, and not only that, but are criticising both sides of the aisle of government. If R gets more attention, it is because they are louder and usually better at faking the values many people in this thread believe in. D are more sneaky, but are not off the hook. We're not just half right, just like the (real, not co opted) TEA are not just half right in regard to this subject.. and only if we get past this wall they both like to put between us by way of the media and unify on our common ground (sort out the rest later) will we be able to stop the crushing force that is composed of both groups intertwined against the vast majority of the people. And yes, look around. All your love of regulating the activity of the people and whining about tax payer money being used to hurt us for standing up not only for ourselves but for you when it is unnecessary.. we will one day probably not be here to shield you from the fascist country this is becoming... you are applauding the same methods used by those other places you normally sneer at and you don't even see it. You have been brainwashed, congratulations.
Let's hope the '99rs' don't defecate and leave their trash in the streets, like they did in NYC.
frog-3304072,
You state, "If you can't stand behind our troops...please feel free to stand in front of them!!!!!!!!!!" Your statement advocates murder of citizens by military personnel, based solely on the ideas or beliefs of said citizens. You know that, right?
Lune
Jerri1- don't worry about how the rest of the world feels, because we have plenty of submissives like you to bend over and apologize for us.
Hey Moochi and Jerri, you are the types of people that complain about how lousy your protectors are (i.e. the military, law enforcement, firefighters, etc.) but Lord knows if you are in trouble they won't be able to get to you fast enough.
I am a proud Navy Veteran, and while I may not like it, I protected your right to post your opinions because I believe in Freedom, just like all of my brothers and sisters who have served or are serving.
What servicemen/women go through, as well as their families, is not something that can be understood unless you have experienced it first hand. Separations that last over a year, seeing your brothers/sisters killed or wounded, taking the life of another human being, or finding out that your husband or wife died in action; these are all things that they face on a regular basis.
Oh and by the way, you do know that we have to pay taxes in the military right? I'll bet you didn't.... One more thing, the next time you have something nasty to say about the military, go ahead and thank a soldier.
LuneKeltkar, you posted;
That statement does NOT advocate the murder of citizens, that statement advocates the idea that the person being addressed should not be accepting the protection of the military, but should stand and face the enemies of this country on his own.
Dumb losers blame everyone for their own failures. If they put half this energy into making something of themselves, they would be happy, wealthy and wise.
The blame goes to LOSERS like YOU! Most of the protests are ABOUT corporations having too much say in our country and getting away with paying almost or NO taxes!
But smart guys like you know that already!~
The protests bring to mind the fact the Supreme Court says corporations are people but unlike people who make billions they rarely pay any taxes
It's about corporations running our country, as opposed to...you know...our government doing so to the benefit of all people. Very happily for those corporations, many none-too-brights think the protestors are angry because they're not rich. Wall Street has you right where they want you, Procustes. Congrats on your utter, sheep-like incomprehension of the single most significant issue facing our country today. (Clasp his hand and share in his incomprehension, rds. I see you've also comfortably boiled it down in ninny-like fashion.)
Hey Paula: Why are people who disagree with you automatically "none-too-brights"? There's a difference of opinion, we get it. Why not just state your case? Some people legitimately think govt interferes too much in our lives. Count me as one of those. Yeah, both parties do, in different ways. There's crony capitalism sponsored by Republicans and Democrats alike. Tea Partiers and OWS agree on that much I think.
But, noone owes you a living. Quit taxing us to death (and yeah, corps probably should pay more taxes). And those 47% who pay no FEDERAL taxes should get some skin in the game, so when the next demagogue offers the next "freebie" which "you deserve" and "it's only fair", they can properly evaluate the pros and cons. And, GET GOVT OUT OF OUR LIVES!. Live Free or Die!
Hi Procrustes and rds, what makes you assume that everyone who protests the corrupted system is broke? Do you likewise assume that everyone who camped with Washington in Valley Forge was a "loser" saying "everyone owes me?" They're sitting out there in the cold, witnessing for the truth, because they care about their fellow citizens more than they care about making more money in the moment. It's called "good citizenship." Trying to reduce the bloated military, take corporate money out of politics, etc., is not the same as saying "everybody owes me."
John, you conveniently left out the part about "also take union money out of politics". That's the other 800 pound gorilla in the room.
I'd agree Procrutes except when the minority elite have an enough political clout to influence laws in their favors, I do have problems with that. They're always going to make sure the laws a tipped in their favor while doing what they can to silence us little people.
We have problems such as illegal aliens flooding into this country taking jobs, and using up public services compliments of your taxes. Very little being done in part because the mighty elite need their cheap labor. However, an American that holds up a sign during a Rose Bowl parade can face fines and go to jail. There is too much money in football, even college football to let a bunch of commoners get in the way.
I made a lot of sacrifices to go through college and now have a great job but if I screw up, I'd be out on my behind. In contrast, everytime damn time the county I live in jacks up on their annual budgeting, they raise our taxes and layoff the police, teachers and other needed public servants to fix the problems THEY caused. Meanwhile they all keep themselves employed and give themselves raises. I can go on but I'll stop here. Maybe it's me, but do you see a problem with any of this? Maybe it's issues like this that irritates people to the point where they had enough and demand their voice finally be heard. I certainly don't blame them.
More over reacting to come. Don't get in the way of the city's money shot.
What I can not figure out is how they can claim that FOLLOWING the parade was a disruption to the parade.
If the actual laws can't be used to deter or arrest peaceful protesters, then the masters of the politicians will just have a lawyer spin up an interpretation of some other law to use as a WMD against the rights of We The People.
Welcome to the new USSA comrades.
If they had a real message then why don't they fund their own rallies, make commercials etc. instead of constantly trying to latch onto other peoples hard work and success?
Where did the money come from to organize and pay for the event if not from the very same business's etc. they are protesting...
A little humor for those that have a sense of humor.
The OWS resolutions for 2012.
#1. We will not have a statement of specific grievances to petition our government with for change.
#2. We will not be organized which would require transparent accounting, declarations of its officers, supporting groups and backers, etc.
#3. We will continue to claim to represent the 99% while only targeting those of professed Republican or Conservative ideologies while claiming to be non-partisan.
#4. We will claim that we are for the Poor, Middle class, and Workers while endangering their lively hoods and incomes by trying to shut down ports, block business from being able to operate/and or hurt their profits, in other words "economic terrorism".
#5. We will use The Rules for Radicals playbook as much as possible by causing chaos and crisis to create an atmosphere of militancy. If your not the 99% (the have nots) then you must be the 1%(Haves) and we are against you, you OWeS us.
#6. We will continue to violate local ordinances, breaking laws, in a vain attempt at mob rule and to get arrested to garner attention from the media because we have no organization, no message, etc. other than class warfare BS.
#7. Continue to claim we Represent the 99% even though the country is 40% Conservative and 30% Independent. In reality we are only representing 30% which is the Left. We believe we can mask our real reasons, to-wit, our own self interest, in words of reason, goodness, liberty, etc.. See Rules for Radicals pg 58.
"We repeatedly get caught in this conflict between our professed moral principles and the real reasons why we do things-to wit, our self-interest. We are always able to mask those real reasons in words of beneficent goodness-freedon, justice, and so on."(pg.58)
Please feel free to add anything I Missed.
What you missed is what OWS is really about. And unless you are part of the 1% they stand for you as well and don't mind that you are misinformed.
Until an OWeS'r gets elected to office they aren't representing anyone.
Since you are "informed" why don't you tell us what OWeS is trying to achieve and how they intend to achieve those goals?
Who are you planning on running in the 2012 elections as an "Occupier"?
In our form of government we elect the people that represent us and they are our voices in the government and are supposed to work for us.
When I choose who I will be represented by I will VOTE for them.
A bunch of lawless disorganized hooligans, who can only get there message out(like they really have one) by creating public disorder, resulting in thousands of arrests, rapes, deaths, destruction of public and private property, etc. does not represent me and I would never vote for someone that supports or condones that behavior.
Would you really want someone in Congress or even a President, that is responsible for making decisions that impacts the nation, people, economics, and possibly the world that supports the Behavior of OWeS?
OWS is the dumbest protest in history.
Great Post Noah!
Yes. I was going to type why don't they have their own parade but Noah you ruled it. Awsome!!!!
Why all the hate? These people have a message, although they might have an easier time if their message was more organized. They are, for the most part, NOT druggies, losers, etc. Most have jobs, such as teachers, lawyers, cops (off-duty, of course), and other gainful employment. They are protesting the HUGE amounts of money that is corrupting our democratic process. They are protesting the Citizens United Decision by the Right-Wing Supreme Court that has allowed the corrosive influence of corporate money to define our political process. Note the prevalence of vicious attack ads that are the norm for political advertising. There's a saying: if you can't say anything nice, non't say anything. These ads seek to destroy opposing candidates as opposed to expressing positive attributes offered by candidates. It didn't used to be like this.
I think the people expressing all this hate are in the thrall of the right-wing hate machine. You know, the hate spewed by Rush Limbaugh and others, and the disparaging imagery portrayed by the Right Wing propaganda machine - Fox News.
While the Occupy people aren't the perfect expression for what ails our society, they ARE on to something. My advice to them would be to get to work in their communities - get people registered to vote, get them MOTIVATED to vote, convince people that elections have consequences, and to NOT participate in our democratic process is to defer your rights to those who will trample them. My hope is that they will evolve into something less confrontational and more uplifting and educational.
In the mean time, we should question why there is so much hatred and contempt being expressed by people on this comment board, by commentators in the talk radio realm, and by certain cable TV channels. This type of thing is not constructive. We are, after all, Americans. There's a lot of antipathy on the left as well, but it's a shadow of the virulence I see and hear coming from the right.
Oh Russell, pleeeease! There's a TON OF VIRULENCE coming from both sides. Don't slant it. It's not even close to onesided.
Well said Russell!!
Yeah Russ...no hate in that fun-loving group you're running with, right?
Burning cars, breaking into businesses, breaking windows, raping, doing drugs,crapping on the American flag, threatening non-protesters, etc, etc...what an absolutely awesome group of folks to be part of...get real.
What the anti-protester's message is, and there are ton of middle and moderates who feel this way, you people are choosing to defy the system that made this country the wealthiest and best country in history...now, what makes you think anyone other than anarchists and societal losers agree with you? There aren't that many as compared to the rest of us...so your 1/99% is nothing but Bull Sh*t. And we're sick and tired of it. You're pushing the envelop and there are many of "me" who are ready to whip your dead as*ses for the destruction and criminality you perpetuate.
"These ads seek to destroy opposing candidates as opposed to expressing positive attributes offered by candidates. It didn't used to be like this."
Oh come on Russell...it has been this way like forever. Dirty and negative campaigning originated with and has been a tactic of the left since the beginning. Now the time has come when the Repubs and right are starting to fight back, using the same weapons. The main difference will be in that the the Repubs usually tell what is true, while the libs make stuff up.
None of your so called message is reaching the "government"...these protests simply annoy and anger and inconvenience the average working and tax paying American...the very people whose approval you should be courting. I am surprised that you can't see or accept this simply truth.
Amen Brother Tango. Russell says. if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all. That's exactly what I have good to say about the 99ers and the left, Nothing at all. They represent all the bad bad laws and rulings that have put this country in the shape we are in. My God you can't even say Merry Christmas anymore. You have to say Happy Holliday. Companies have holliday parties. A person can't say anything in this country for fear of going to jail for offending someone. I like you and many normal Americans are ready to do anything to get our country back.
OWS doesn't need to fund their rallies, George Soros is funding them
Those kids are so cute! Mis-directed and ignorant but cute none the less.
re "Those kids are so cute! Mis-directed and ignorant but cute none the less."
You are of course talking about yourself.
Typical reaction from an Occupy supporter. Instead of snarky little comebacks, why not educate those of us who do not understand? Prime example as to why this "movement" is not taken so seriously by the 'rest of us'. Snarky hipsters with trust funds shouldn't be the 'voice of the rest of us'..change your game plan kids.
Seakat: Fox News has a greater audience than CNN or any of the major news outlets, like NBC, ABC, etc. By your logic ... they (Fox viewers) must be the 99%.
Really cute when they defecate on people's cars.
gagepetrovski: Typical reaction from an Occupy hater. Instead of snarky little comebacks, why not educate those of us who do not understand?
fo-sure !!
It would be nice if these occupy folks would find a real agenda. They are really getting tiresome and pretty much beginning to be viewed as a sideshow oddity of protesting for protesting's sake. Bellyaching with no proposed solutions that are realistic is pretty much a waste of time.
agree with Tango
Tango, they've had real agendas from the beginning, and the agendas make much more sense than the platforms of either of the two main parties. These agendas simply aren't covered by the mainstream media. Try googling "Declaration of the Occupation of New York City."
It's true that the Occupiers haven't fixed the country in 90 days. But how have you or any of your friends shifted the nation's direction in the last 90 days? Not at all? Then why are you mad at the Occupiers? They've never claimed to be saviors; they're just trying their damnedest to get people motivated.
It's hard. The system's rigged in a hundred interlocking ways. It's not going to change until the people as a whole rise with one voice and demand it. It's hard to get us to do that. Most of us are kind of lazy as regards the welfare of the nation as a whole. We like to live in our personal comfort zones. There's a hell of a lot of inertia to overcome. It's a testimony to how disgusted people have become that so many of us have been willing to leave our comfort zone to try to motivate the rest of us. It's one of the most hopeful things I've witnessed in my 50 years of life.
Tango
Agree completely, they view these protests as a hipster happening, they are protesting for the sake of protesting because they think its cool. Too bad they dont have a clue.
John, the people are NOT going to rise with one voice. Maybe several voices. And some of those voices will be carrying big guns! :)
Like Jefferson said (I paraphrase) "a little blood shed in the defense of liberty every couple hundred years is not a bad thing". If you're well-versed in history (as well as law ... must have been a cracker-jack lawyer since you're now a polysci "instructor") ... then you know full well that both Jefferson and Madison were vehemently opposed to a welfare state and to govt meddling in our lives. What we have now is not based on American tradition but more on doctrine from the Institute for Social Research (University of Frankfurt - Germany)
So I Googled (which by the way, isn't that a pretty darn big CORPORATION??) "Declaration of the Ocupation of NYC" as you asked...
Can you sum it up for me in one sentance...or even two as to what the OWS stands for? Doubt it. So there are 23 grievenceces (but they are not all inclusive) - I piocked a couple...
1. They have sold our privacy as a commodity...So how many OWS have an iPhone, Blackberry, Mortola, Verizon, Sprint - which by the way are all products of large corportaions.
2. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad...remind me again about the last place we colonized??? Before you answer, please look up the definition of 'colonialism.'
3. They have continously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions...Last I knew, no one forced anyone to work at any specific job. If you don't like where you work, start looking for another job.
4. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debton education, which in itself is a human right. ... Um. no, education is not a human right. If you don't want to go in to debt, save up for your education, serve your country in the miltary, or work hard and advace through your work ethics. There are many sucessful people out there who do not have more than a high school education...but they worked for it and didn't feel like they were 'owed' it just because they completed a degree.
5. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedon of the press. ... Huh? Really? You are more paranoid than you claim the conservatives are.
Ther are a few more grievences listed...but really? I am nowhere near rich, so I certainly don't fall within the 1% (or even close), but you don't represent me. I vote for the officials I'd like to represent me. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose, but that's life.
So let me leave you with something...Life isn't always fair. Deal with it.
Totally agree with your statement "Life isn't always fair. Deal with it."
Life is tough.....wear a helmet !!! Then go play some hockey !
Sorry John, but I gotta agree with Tango on this, and Colorado Skye as well. I agree with you completely on one major point - if we want change, we have to be willing to commit our own energies to it and it won't happen overnight. Beyond that however, I'm completely turned off by the mass of whiners in the OWS movement who simply want others to make life easy for them. This nation was founded by people who risked it all to improve the future for themselves and their families, with countless people paying the ultimate price. The OWS gang would not have survived life in the US a couple hundred years ago, and don't have any appreciation for how good they have it. Is there corruption in corporate America? Absolutely. Is all of corporate America evil? Hardly so. Should we all work to continually make things better? Absolutely. But in the spirit of our forefathers, let's get out there & do it by the sweat of our brow, not by whining about how others have the advantage & mistreat us!
Last year saw only the beginning of these protests- this year will intensify far worse as the economy continues to tank further downward
And if the economy start to take off. Then what??
AboslutelyWrong, Your negativity shows that you are already defeated.
If the economy starts to take off the protests will cease as people start back to work- duh!
Toosano- stop drinking.
They'll go back to work? So basically they are protesting because they have nothing better to do.
Argues, that's funny. Abwrong is pretty clueless.
I don't know 'argues'- what are you protesting for? What are they protesting for? What are you- some unified voice for a national movement against... Fill in the blank please. Can't? Didn't think so.
Toosano: Evidence of the outcome of human inbreeding.
What the ...fill-in-the-blank... are you talking about?
I feel sorry for abwrong. A defeated soul. Are you typing this from an occupy camp?
Thought so.
Momma always said, don't wrestle with a pig, 'cause the pig likes it and you both get dirty. Don't know why, but for some reason that old quote just popped into my mind after reading some of Abwrong's commentary above. And by the way, I don't have any history of inbreeding in the family tree - - can't speak for those other guys though.
Lol, Mystic.
Some of these banks and Investers starting January 2012 is forcing investor advisers who work for them to only work with people who can invest $250,000.00 and above, it previously was $50,000.00. Meryl Lynch is doing this tommorrow, so are others. If your not in the 1% range, no more help. Story and link below from WSJ.
"Merrill Lynch's 2012 pay plan for advisers drives home an important message: focus on richer clients.
Some Merrill advisers will no longer get paid on new accounts they bring in that total less than $250,000, according to internal documents obtained by Dow Jones Newswires. Merrill is also cutting the rate at which its lowest revenue-producing advisers get paid."
http://blogs.wsj.com/financial-adviser/2011/12/23/merrills-2012-pay-to-drive-advisers-to-richer-clients/
reality: apart from your twisted grammar "some of these banks and investers (sp) ... IS forcing investor advisers who work for them to only work with people who can invest $250,000 and above" (your use of English improved toward the end of the sentence). ... anyway, what's your point? I briefly had a Merrill Lynch account and closed it (they didn't offer a useful options trading platform). There are plenty of good trading platforms (ETrade, Schwab, TDAmeritrade), so who needs ML? Plus there are numerous investment newsletters that give IMHO better advice.
Noone is REQUIRED to give you investment advice, nor should they be. In a world of free choice anyway. NOONE OWES YOU ANYTHING!
For most smaller investors (most of us), investing with a big investment house like Merrill doesn't make any sense anyway. Do your homework, maybe get some ad hoc help, take some courses, then manage your own and save thousands over what a place like Merrill would charge. Tiffany & Co. focuses on more affluent people as well, but we don't criticize that. There is a ton of help available for "small" investors and good, reputable discount brokers to handle transactions.
Last I heard you had the right to choose who you do your business with...if you don't like a company, don't utilize them. One of the most recent and best demonstartions of this was when people (and not the big corporations, but the average person) pulled their business from Bank of America to protest the proposed $5 transaction fee. 100% legal, no one was hurt and the 'people' were heard. That's an effective protest.
Amen brothers Jim, Ed, and Colorado. "Reality's" comments are another sad reflection on how many angry but uninformed souls there are out there who are convinced that the deck is totally stacked against them. Wish we could find a way to inject some real reality into that crowd.
force them to clean up the horse turds. With their hands. That will teach em to disrupt a parade.
Six months might be a bit extreme, but Pasadena should enforce the fine and send anyone who 'occupies' to jail for some time to chill.
force them to clean up the horse turds
Nothing more than straw & grasses.........let 'em eat sh*t
I think Newt Gingrich already has the contract to do that job with his 9 and 10 year old corps. of cheap labor janitors.
These people can't even clean their own mess let alone someone else's.
When cities around the country have to spend millions to police and clean up after these people then there's a problem. If they want to be taken seriously then they have to show some responsibility. So far that hasn't been the case.
Hey Occupy losers, we'll be right on the side of the street waiting if you come by, you won't disrupt our parade.
And once again, another idiot here who can't read. They're going to be marching BEHIND the parade. As in, they won't be running through it in an attempt to disrupt it.
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
Moochi2
And just what part of PARADE PERMIT don't you comprehend???
Where did he suggest that anyone would be running through the parade?
Personally, what I would do if I was there to watch the parade, is, as the occupiers come by, the crowd should file in behind the parade and just start walking slower, and slower, and slower. Use their own tactics against them and see how peaceful they remain.
Round them all up.
Put them on board large airplanes.
Attach parachutes to the ones who want them.
Then drop them out over either Iran or Pakistan.
Those 'Occupiers' are a real pain in the ass.
And probably in each others (asses) ... for those that swing that way :)
Probably a lot of them.
Nice homophobic comment that has nothing to do with anything. Does the B in your user name stand for "Bigot"?
And does the MOOCH in Moochi2 stand for FREELOAD??
It amazes me how a nation that was founded on protest can be so full of idiots who think protesting is for losers. Congratulations on being part of the actual problem that OWS is fighting against.
voice: you're right, protesting is not necessarily for losers. But Lenin said it best: "progressives are 'useful' idiots"
And this 99% BS IS annoying!. They're not anywhere CLOSE to representing 99% of the people. But keep telling a lie often enough and soon at least the tellers of the lie begin to believe it.
In Revolutionary Russia, the Bolsheviks (means majority in Russian) though actually a minority at the time, kept calling the Mensheviks (means minority in Russian) that often enough that the people began to believe them. New Speak (see 1984 by Orwell) in action.
I don't agree with OWS and I think they have a deep misunderstanding of how our economic system really works. That said, I think it's immature for people to paint the whole movement with a broad brush and advocate violence against them.
We were NOT founded on senseless protests that signify nothing. I say throw all the deadbeats in jail and be done with it.
Really, Joyce? Dressing up as Indians, getting plastered, and dumping tea in Boston harbor was deeply symbolic and meaningful, as well as well-thought out and effective? Even some of the protests that have made the major headlines of history were poorly thought out actions by drunks.
So disrupting this parade on national television will achieve what, exactly? Those who dismiss this protest will just see stupidity reign supreme but this time in front of a national audience. If OWS crowd really want to make a point why not protest in front on Congress and the White House DAILY!!! These are the places the real enemies of the USA are found. You may have to make a trip to Hawaii where OUR commander in chief is sufferring along with all Americans. He is trying to find solutions to our problems amongst the volcanoes and pineapple groves. Please leave the parade alone! It serves no purpose to your cause, except to turn the general public against you. The toxic environmnent created by the protestors may wilt the roses, which is not a very green friendly policy! Stop the nonsense! Grow up!
They are not disrupting a parade if they are marching behind it are they?
And to all of you advocating violence toward those who would protest in this country, I hope you like the society that will grow out of that. Think of all the places on this planet where they crack down on protests with violence and tell me which one of those places you will be moving to anytime soon.
I swear, if you facsists had been alive in the 1770's there is no doubt which side in our revolutionary war you would have joined.
DEFINITELY an INFLAMMATORY post! cwlfan
What a great argument. So, everyone against you is a fascist! Give me a break.
cwlfan - I am not advocating violence toward the stupid protesters but I am advocating that they use a little common sense.
Why not get a parade permit like lawabiding citizens? Why not protest in Washington the real seat of the problem? Why not get a job become active in your community and make a difference at the ballot box?
HUH? Facism didn't appear until the 1920s, when it emerged in Italy under Mussolini. Check your history, moron.
voice-disrupting ports and parades is not the kinds of protest our founding fathers invisioned. You Fail.
So let me see if I understand. The corporations run our lives, right? How do they do this? By spending millions of dollars advertising their products, which by the way creates lots of jobs (for wages); we manufacture (for wages) the products they sell, stores hire people (and pay them wages) to sell the products we want to buy, and then the profits the companies make go into increased production, which means more people get hired (and paid wages) and then part of the corporation profits are paid to the investors (ME ME ME!) and we can retire and live on the income from the dividends we receive from the corporations which are controlling our lives. That about it? Thought so.
I think your looking at the corporate model of the 1900's. Let me update you on what has been taking place. They spend millions of dollars advertising. Yes and the media plays the songs the big corporate dollars tell them too. We manufacture, no they are shipping the jobs overseas, or paying a wage that doesn't match the cost of living and health insurance. Stores hire people, yes however alot of family owned shops are gone, look at how unhappy people are working for the big stores. The profits the companies make go into increased production, no layoffs are pretty high, yet bonus pay is rather large. Even if the company expands the people are overworked and underpayed. Then part of the profits are paid to investors, thats great for you but part of the problem is the ME ME ME attitude. If the economy really tanks our dollar will be worthless. This model has been caused by unfair trade. We need to be a manufacturing exporting giant. We need small buisness to have a fair chance against large corporations. I'm not against you making money with your money, I just want the people that go to work and produce a valuable product to be appreciated for the services of that labor.
Miner
And just what 'valuable product' does an Actor or Football Player or Basketball Player or Baseball Player produce? They make Millions per year. They get Bonuses. Why isn't OWS camping in their front yards??
Bryce Canyon turn off Fux noise You might learn something come on down to alabama we have a nice mental hospital named after you Bryce Patlow near the U of Alabama
mountainradio: Fox News is the MOST WATCHED ... therefore logically represents the 99%. By the logic of many posters ... who claim to represent the 99%
mountain
I cant think of why anybody would want to go to alabama.
It's easy to lie about your viewer base when you're registered as an "entertainment" station with the FCC. And it doesn't say much when your viewers don't realize that a clip played during a segment talking about union protests in Wisconsin has palm trees in the background.
Fox News is the MOST WATCHED by the MOST UNINFORMED, now go save us from the muppets
mountainradio-Fox News is a lot more accurate reporting that commie news network cnn.
Danny: and it has a larger audience.
Accurate and Fox News in the same sentence? I think that's sentence form of an oxymoron
I think it's time for coherent Non-cooperation. If Taxation without representation is Tyranny and our so-called representatives only represent the 1% who pay no taxes, why should we? If the the Occupy protestors Are arrested. they should enter no plea, cite the Patriot Act of 2001, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 to show that we truly HAVE NO Rights therefore, guilt or innocence is irrelevant and due process is a Lie. They have the power to summarily execute any of us at their whim. Do not give them your sanction or obediance
Ishmael: Facts please! Less than 1% of the 1% pay no taxes (according to the Internal Revenue Service) and they are the only ones who would know. However, 47% of the rest pay ZERO FEDERAL income taxes.
I support you in your decision not to pay income taxes. That'll show em!
Ishmael is an Arab name, I believe. I advise you to throw your lot in with the Black Muslims during your stint in prison. They may be able to protect you from "probing" activity. Or at least keep non-Muslims from sexually molesting you. :)
Wrong referent Sparky. Think Herman Melville:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAmwgT8_Kzg
I earned my moniker honestly hunting the Great Steel Whales with harpoons tipped in the fires of Armageddon. As for throwing in my lot with the Muslims in prison, I have a better idea. I'll just teach them EVERYTHING I know about precision-guided and nuclear weaponry, which is quite a lot. Then I'll unleash them on YOU. In fact I'll teach those skills to ANYONE willing to learn them. Be careful what you wish for.
Jim
Try jewish,it is from the Old Testament. Then there is the most famous opening line in Literature,'They call me Ishmael'
"IF" any of that is true, and that's a pretty big "if", you just gave Homeland Security the green light to come pay you a little visit "rocket scientist".
I believe the protestor's float is supposed to be a squid, not an octopus and the squid is based on the (most excellent) book by Matt Taibbi, "Griftopia:Bubble Machines, Vampire Squids and the Long Con That is Breaking America". Read the book and understand what OWS is about, the rebellion of the average, working blue collar/white collar Joe against a deck that is permanently stacked in favor of the 1%. Griftopia is an apt description of the 1%- I worked for 40 years as a nurse, just retired with a 401K down 30%. Funny, Goldman Sachs, Big Banks and Hedge Fund Managers lost nothing and received a billion, including my tax dollars(that I will nevers see as my MCR and SS take cuts) Grifters? Vampire squids? Hell. yes they are. Go OWS!
I retired from the Navy after 23 years, with a 23% pension, then taught special ed for 12 years and am drawing another pension; my wife retired after 33 years as a prosecutor and is drawing a pension twice what I make. We've also saved all our lives, and have lost about 25% but are doing just fine, and are building a new home on the DE shore. It is what it is -- you chose the career you did, we chose the careers we did, and that's life. The OWS pukes couldn't care less about anyone but themselves, have zero direction and leadership, and are a bunch of thugs, rapists, and unemployed bumbs who've no intention of finding a job -- they'd rather suckle from the government teat -- which makes them perfect fodder for the Left. Let's hope the whole misguided movement dies a quick death.
Bobbi- I am in complete agreement.
nascarlifer
You're a 23 year Navy vet...and a disgrace to the USA..
You took an oath to defend the constitution...and you now want Freedom of speech, the right to peaceful protect and assembly to be revoked, make the acts of our rights a criminal offense...
You would have done well in the USSR or CHINA...maybe North Korea has a spot opened for a communist minded traitor like you.
BTW, I took that oath to defend the Constitution, the one you take when you enlist or take a commision....difference is, I believed in that oath, and still do.
cbawl: During all of the Tea Party rallies, there were few if any arrests. The people there also cleaned up after themselves and left very little trash.
The OWS rallies, on the other hand, all across the country have had incidents of hundreds of arrests, rape, robbery, people using the bathroom in the streets, people crapping on police cars, leaving mountains of trash and garbage, not getting the proper permits and disobeying orders to disperse when these "peaceful" protests were infringing on the rights of others who were just trying to get from one place to another.
So don't hand me this "peaceful" garbage. It's a lie.
You want peaceful, then you get the proper permits and you state how long you wish your event to last. Freedom of speech does not include a mandate that someone must hear you or listen to you for months on end, nor does it allow you to prevent someone else just walking down the street to be infringed upon by not allowing them passage because you didn't think the rules applied to you.
I would imagine that barnum and bailey has an old 3 ring tent these occupiers could live in and continue on with their cause
common sense: If you're implying that the OWS crowd is a circus, then that's just really insulting to the circus. No need to insult the circus like that. Taint nice.
If it's January 2, it isn't the Tournament of Roses parade. The Tournament of Roses parade is conducted on New Years Day.
Those of you defending the corporations must be blind to the PAC situation in this country. You are free to support any candidate you want, and speak up for that candidate, but whenever contributions are made by any entity that can't vote for the candidate, we lose just a little more representative democracy. My congressional representative no longer has to raise a dime in his own district. How is this representative?
Amen EatRunDive! No more PAC contributions by corporations, unions or environmental advocacy groups. Or religious groups.
Probably lost all the progressives as soon as the word unions popped in there. Actually Republicans typically raise less money (OVERALL) than the Democrats.
Eat~ You didn't read the article did you? It states in the article why they don't have the parade on New Years Day...............
The Tournament of Roses Parade isn't on Jan. 1st this year because if Jan 1st falls on a Sunday, the parade is to be held the following Monday. Originally -- and since 1893 -- it was agreed not to hold the parade on Sunday to avoid frightening horses hitched outside local churches and making too much noise during worship services. The parade is still the Tournament of Roses Parade -- forget any technicalities. In the future, read entire articles before you post.
No, I did read the article. I understand the Sunday thing. I just don't like it.
But it is good to see that the important point is the one you concentrate on.
In LA they don't allow parades on Sunday, that's why the parade was held on Monday. Research before you make stupid assumptions.
Yeah I heard that much of the OWeS crowd was wondering around Pasedena wondering where the parade was Sunday. Ha ha
wow.. I wonder what happened to compassion, did it go out the window when 9-11 happened?
How can you compare 911 to Occupiers?