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Authorities investigate the shooting deaths of five people, including three children, in Emington, Ill.
Five people, including three children, were found shot to death Friday afternoon at a home in the small town of Emington, Ill., NBCChicago.com reported.
The bodies of a woman, a girl and a baby were found in the backyard of home. A man and a boy were found nearby. All had been shot, officials said. The names of the victims haven't yet been publicly released.
The Chicago Tribune quoted Debbie Delaney, secretary and treasurer of the town, as saying the girl was in second grade and the boy was in kindergarten. The Tribune said her husband is Emington Mayor Daniel Delaney and her son is a firefighter called to the scene.
"They're all gone, all gone," Delaney told the Tribune.
Livingston County board member Bob Young, who lives in Emington, about 80 miles southwest of Chicago, said the family had moved to the town within the last six months and the two older children attended school in nearby Saunemin. The street where the family lived was closed by police, he said.
"We did have an awful disaster here," said Mayor Delaney, who's been in office for 24 years. "You never would have thought it would happen in our town of 100 people or less. ... Right now it's just very, very, very sad for us here."
Residents described Emington as a once strictly farming town that has gone through changes in the last 20 years as young families moved in. Young said the town has become more of a bedroom community from which people commute north to cities such as Joliet, about 45 miles away.
Delaney said the town is not prosperous and has received help from the state. "It's always really had a hard time. Most of the people are retired or farmers who moved into town," he said.
Young said he did not know the family well.
"We've seen the kids playing at the playground and talk to them," Young said. "We thought everything was fine."
This article contains reporting from NBCChicago.com, The Associated Press and msnbc.com staff.
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Wow... 4 sentences. A sparse report at the time I am making this comment. I hope this develops and a motive is identified, followed by suspects, arrests, and sentencing. Terrible tragedy-- I mean, why kill the kids? And more importantly, why the baby? It defies logic the evil that can disrupt our lives... I hold out hope for a conviction, but all too often the shooter is among the dead. I hope this isn't one of those murder-suicide events that seem so prevalent these days. The surviving families of the deceased deserve to see someone punished for these heinous crimes.
Um...if someone is capable of doing this, especially to children, the weapon makes no difference. They could have easily used a baseball bat or a knife.
Maybe it was a murder-suicide. If someone else did it, I hope they catch the person or persons that did this.
Takenaka: Your an idiot! why not take away all "your" rights on top of taking away my right to have a handgun. Let's start with your right to free speach so we don't have to hear idiotic comments like yours.
takenaka, spoken like a true idiot. Do you think criminals care if guns are illegal? Do you really believe a criminal is going to think "Oh my God, I can't use a gun to kill this person, they're illegal." Get a clue. Do you think a criminal won't be able to obtain a gun because they are illegal? Yeah, that has worked well for marijuana, huh?
sandtrich - Of course you are leaving out the most important fact that the US is NOT #1 in murder rate. Conclusive that guns are not the issue, people killing people is. I'm so tired of gun control fanatics exploiting tragedy to push their misguided agenda.
Let's see if I got this correct. A gun, or guns, targeted this family in Illinois. Or was it this more plausible explanation: An evil person, or persons, targeted this family, for reasons unknown at this time, for death.
The tool used to commit this crime was a gun, or guns. The tool did not commit the crime. A person, or persons unknown, at this time, did.
And until our courts actually make the PUNISHMENT fit the crime, this will continue.
Member Since: 12/2011Last Seen: 12/15/2011--a newly registered shill for the NRA
Carson--why do the pro-gun lobbyists register under a new name every time there's a senseless killing by handguns. Love to throw around that "socialist" thing, don't you folks?
Got me there. During the Crusades, those of white European decent killed 1/3 of the population in the name of Christianity. Would Jesus be packing?
Sandrich, I have a question for you. You seem to know more about the type of weapon used than was reported. Might you have some inside information that the local authorities might find useful in their investigation?
takenaka....ur a fool. thats all........
sandtrich - and that has anything to do with this because? You sound like a senile person talking to themselves in the corner. I'm embarrassed for you.
sandtrich
How many people were killed in auto accidents last year? Want to ban those too? You moron!
BluePanther20
I don't usually jump in on the gun debates. And I don't have any issue with those that own them, though I think we have gone a bit extreme.
In my mind there is a big difference when someone kills with a gun. It is a little less personal and certainly more distant.
You can pop a few bullets off from some distance away.
But to look close at the face of a child, especially a baby, then stab or club, would turn even some of the most hardened killers away.
Sandtrich, I apologise for mispelling your name. And, as to being a new shill for the NRA, I am not, nor have ever been, a member of that organization. I am, first and foremost, a person believing HUMANS are responsible for their actions, good, or bad, and as such, need to be held accountable. As the person(s) commiting this atrocity need to be punished.
Its also been shown that when guns are taken away murder by other means increase, Stabbings, clubbing, burning. its people not guns. where I live a gun is a must have, if you think about it countries with strict gun laws have people shot down on the streets, out lawing guns wont stop murder only the method, and a murder by arson may go down as accidental, so may a dozen other forms of murder, guns aren't sick people are and if someone wants someone dead they will find a way. and make it look accidental, I feel horrible about the loss of life, but its the crazies that do it not the gun. look at Belgium, look at the random knifing in the UK, people all around the world are snapping figure that out and maybe you can stop the madness, or is it possible we have the same % of freaked out nuts running around as always, but better media coverage of these crimes, guns don't commit crimes people do, when I lived in Japan murders happened there but it was stabbings, bludgering, and butchering that was the method so its a no win. you wont stop it it will only take on a different form. and the criminals will still have guns, and knowing you don't makes the average person a easy target for criminals do you want to outlaw knives as well? you better go after flammable substances and matches as well. some women like to drown their children should we outlaw water. go after the human mind that's where the problem is. or are you telling me its all OK so long as a gun is not involved. Personally I believe every one should have a gun and taught how to use it, and safety should be taught in schools. if you are mentally unstable that'sdifferent. Liberals don't need guns. I feel terrible about the children. lets get the rest of the story before jumping to conclusions.
In Russia, they mostly kill with knives in rural areas, and in Cambodgia they killed a third of the population with machete - or whatever this tool is called - English is not my first language. So, as long as someone wants to kill a person, they definitely will. :-(
sandtrich- You make no point. If, for example, you were comparing homicide rates overall and gun homicide rates, instead of just those committed by firearms, you'd have a point. All you say is that countries that ban guns have less deaths committed by guns, which is obvious.
This kinda reminds me of another killing in Northern Idaho (Gronee). Duncan killed with a handgun that looked just like a hammer. You liberal idiots always blame the message not the messenger. Guns do kill but also protect. You will never take my gun no matter what Obama, Pelosi, or Clinton and the U.N. does. I don't belong to the NRA because they only want money and will not protect my rights or my gun.
I will never live in or even visit Illinois because I can't protect myself. When you only have seconds help will arrive in minutes or hours. Thanks but no Thanks
All right gunners - this is all about taking your guns. This is all about protecting your right to own firearms.
What are you doing about the military using drones to pursue American citizens WITHIN our borders? Or did you even know about that? Posse Comitatus Act not important? Just those guns.
What are you doing to fight the recent court decision that allows cops to break down your door without a warrant, because they hear "scurrying" behind the door? Or did you even know about that? Fourth Amendment not important? Just those guns.
What are you doing as the police are arming themselves with incredible firepower, tanks, and aircraft knowing full well that cops have no obligation whatsoever to protect citizens? Or did you even know about that? Nope, it's all about your guns.
This damned gun violence is one of the excuses the authorities use to pull this crap. Did you even know that, or do you even care? Stroke that gun, baby!
David Walker
I'll tell you what I'm doing about those things! voting for a different president!
Okay--let's do a little history here. When the NRA was first established, right after the Civil War, the goal was to make sure that people could handle rifles correctly--they felt that northern soldiers had been really bad shots and it was one reason that the South had done so well for so long (because there were more hunters in an agrarian society). For most of the 20th century, the NRA supported gun control regulations--because they opposed the idea of black people being able to own and use weapons and because they were concerned about the widespread gun violence in the Prohibition Era.
It was only around the 1970s that the NRA became concerned with the "Second Amendment" stuff that theoretically gave them the right to have guns (it does not--it secures the right to "arms"--which goes well beyond guns . . . and I think you know perfectly well that there are a lot of "arms" that citizens are not entitled to). Chew on that one for awhile.
I am extremely concerned about the new police-state laws that are being passed. I do not see how having a gun is going to help anyone in the face of the weaponry which you are not allowed--in fact, if you have a gun, you are that much more likely to be called a "danger" and to make any hostile act by the police justifiable.
I think that the people who are worrying about gun control laws should worry a trifle more about other incursions into your freedoms--such as your new lack of habeus corpus, wiretapping regulations, and so forth. Sure--worry about keeping your "right" to a gun . . . like that's going to help you any.
ooooh is that whats going on in the real world David Walker? Well thanks for all of that insight! I guess I'll just turn in all of my guns, take my chances with the thugs & do my part to stop all of this police brutality! Maybe I'll be lucky enough to have a neighbor like you that will come over and spray any intruders away with a water hose. Thanks again for the insight, stupid.
What a horrible tragedy. As to the gun issue you cannot protect people from themselves no matter how many laws, restrictions or rules.
Compared to the hugh rise in home invasions and rape that happened in countries where guns were taken away, I think giving up my guns and fighting against the wiretapping "and so forth" is just plain stupid. My guns wont help me? You really should read more. There have been more than a few thugs deverted in recent years thanks to concealed weapon holders. My life has been saved by just such an act recently. Those freedoms that you speak of beanathome are surely worth fighting for, as all freedoms are. But when is the last time wiretapping has killed someone? That can be fought on the political front. You cant very well greet an intruder with a news article stating that wiretapping is now illegal again and expect said intruder to just give up. You can however, keep a homeinvasion or raping from happening with a little protection. By the way how many legal gun owners have killed with their guns? Yes there are some but most gun crimes are by illegal gun holders. Do you think they'll turn their guns in along with the rest of us sane folks? let me help you with that.....NOPE!
Tiger:
I didn't expect any kind of an answer that reflected rational thought. It was the Bush-packed Supreme Court that allowed cops to break down your door because they hear "scurrying".
The cops have been arming themselves as a paramilitary force all the while telling you they were outgunned.
It was the current President who actually loosened gun laws. You can now pack in U.S. forests.
Of course, facts stand in the way of your idiotic narrative and they would contradict the lies of Wayne LaPierre and the other fearmongers at the NRA.
Whatsayu:
I say show me the proof behind what you say. What are those countries where guns were taken away? What are the stats on home invasions and rapes? Come on stud, let's see them.
Banning guns don't work. In some countries they just burn the people alive. You can never ban every single thing that could be used to kill. In others they actually throw acid on you. It's probably made from car batteries so no chance of a ban there either.
Whatsayyou, Were you directing that at Walker or beanathome. the fact is the present government is after your guns if they have to create more crime to do it.
What is the deal with the NRA statements every other post? Most of us are not members, as stated several times. We dont use the social media to deliver our thoughts for us. That is what you liberals do.
Buck I belive if you read my post it would apper to be directed at both. I think I even named both of them in my post. I know the government is after my guns. So are folks like beanathome and walker. The seem to think however, that wiretapping is far more dangerous to me than not having my gun. As I stated all of our freedoms are worth fighting for & protecting but if you take my guns I wll not have any protection to combat the "created crimes" as you put it that come my way. I'll protect my right to own a gun first and ,as i said, continue to fight the less dangerous infringemnets on the political front. Reading your post I think we're on the same page here unless I'm missing something.
Walker, stud really? I didnt even know we knew each other. Off the top of my head Australia had a large increase in the crimes mentioned after gun control laws were put into place. If you try hard enough I'm sure that you can find all of that information for yourself sport. John Lott wrote a book about this very thing based on FBI data from all 3,054 countries. Check it out if you care to or be ignorant and just decide this "stud" is talking over his head and making up lies. Doesnt matter to me if you want to know the truth or belive the lies. It's your little world paint it however you want to.
David I live out of this town Greenleaf, Idaho, that has very little crime and no police that kicks down doors. The city council has passed a law that all citizens will posses and know how to use a weapon. No felons or mentally ill can have them. Only law abiding citizens can have guns. No murders no beatings even from the cops. You must live in New Orleans to worry about crap like that. I feel safer in Idaho where i can open carry and don't have to worry about serious crimes. By the way I am liberal on a lot of things but not guns.
And no doubt these people would have passed those tests. Yet in the past few days some high profile murders have been committed by normal people. A "test" will never stop those types of incidents.
This has the earmarks of a family involved murder-suicide.
David walker ...... Guns are illegal in MEXICO and yet what is happening there.....lots of people being gunned down there stud.
Whatsayou- We are on the same page, and I might say living in a wilderness area miles from authority a gun is a must have, I dont know any one in the county that does not own a bunch of them, even in towns and we have no crime, even in town aparently criminals avoid areas that have guns they are afraid of getting shot. and people around are not shy about letting them know it.
first of all my prayers are out to family, and friends........what a sad situation !!
second.....being an avid gun nut (so to speak), and a hunter, along with outdoors sportsman....... may i enlighten some on the causes of death in last yrs. stats.......also, i'v never seen a gun, load itself, cock the trigger,and aim at anything..... then fire to kill !! if so, please direct me to it, as i'm getting older, and tyre easy......this would make my hunting easier !!
Cause of death1
Number
All causes
2,436,652
Cardiovascular diseases
779,367
Malignant neoplasms
568,668
Drug induced2
37,485
Suicide
36,547
Motor vehicle accidents
36,284
Septicemia (infections)
35,587
by Firearms
31,224
Accidental poisoning
30,504
Alcohol induced
23,199
Homicide
16,591
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
9,424
Viral hepatitis
7,652
Cannabis (Marijuana)
0
note where gun related .....falls into place !! quite possible we need to take a good look at cars, and ban them !!
my thoughts only , steven
We don't know whether it's a "murder suicide" or all 5 of them were murdered at this point. Either way it is a sad, sad, sad, tragedy. We must find some way to do better in this country. Such hopelessness, or violent disregard for human life, by other humans must be mended. For the sake of all that is worthy of human good "please do not harm the Children", nor their Mothers. Be a good and caring Father. Do not allow yourself to be overcome. The way, is often hard and hidden, yet, you will find it. Hang on! Hang on! Their love will help sustain you. You are better and stronger than this.
Our right to bear Arms. I'll give one example where the people cant have arms. And the murder rate is way higher than ours.
MEXICO. The cartels could care less about Mexico's gun laws that prohibit citizens from owning them. And look who took control. The bad guys.
As for the family of the victims and that small town. Sorry for your loss. Some people actually do care out here. It may be the economy. In hard times people do crazy things. Hopefully if there is a suspect they catch them quickly. May the family rest in peace.
wish these killers would use lawn mower blades...now... back to my mustard biscuit...hmm...
@ibsobre..."so I be sober..."
i agree pretty much with what you say...
however you did leave out lung cancer,via cigs tar and 420 tar,and emphysema/lung decease.
If you can't post without calling someone an idiot or moron, don't f__king post at all please. By doing so, you appear to be exactly what you are calling the other person, not to mention you are basically shouting out to the world that you lack the intelligence for meaningful discourse and so must resort to finger pointing and name calling. Capiche? Or do I need to use smaller words and a larger font?
Thank you, Chris!
First, this is a pretty tragic story and my thoughts and prayers go to those that have been impacted by this crime.
One doesn't realize just how stupid and ignorant the american public is until a story like this one surfaces.
To all you anti-gun morons. I own 3 guns. A Glock 17 9mm pistol, Mossberg 500 12ga shotgun and a Marlin .22 rifle. The Glock is for protection that i carry with me everywhere i go and yes, i have a licence to carry it. The shotgun is for hunting and the .22 is for sport shooting. All 3 are kept up in a safe place and i have had them for many years.
NONE of them have killed a single person. Want to know why? Because guns don't kill people, period.
What is it going to take to pound that in your empty skulls? Why are you people so ignorant to this FACT?
You cant just take away guns and expect murders to magically disappear. Are you people really that stupid?(talking to the anti-gun morons) Murderers will just find another way to kill. Knives, shop tools, garden tools, cars, bare hands, etc., they will find ways to kill if guns are banned.
So, if you still strongly feel guns need to be banned, then you might as well ban anything we can carry in our hands because a killer can/will use it to kill.
@Chris
I am more then capable of holding an intelligent conversation but sometimes, to get the less intelligent to understand, one has to stoop to their level of speech or you might as well talk to them in a different language.
I have sat around long enough and listen to the BS these anti-gun people keep saying how guns kill people.
So, if my reply offended you well too bad. You didn't have to read it. Also, you talk about using intelligence when you yourself used profanity to get your message across. Talk about irony.
Nice facts, sandtrich. But try using facts that are not 13 years old! I'm guessing now days Mexico's death rate by guns is much higher than the US.
To those of you who claim that states with tough gun laws have more gun deaths, take a look at this handy map:
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&cat=2
You might notice a pretty interesting trend there, that per-capita there are more gun deaths in conservative states and fewer in liberal states. Sorry gun nuts, you lose this argument.
Tim
I do find it interesting Utah is higher than Oregon, Washington, and California.
Informative map.
I wonder how many of the Alaska deaths are tourists thinking 87 year old Mrs. Muldoon, looking for a potty, was a Kodiak - freaked out and blasted away.
Of course, if people compare the homicide rate and the firearm ownership rate, they can see that only one of the ten lowest homicide rates is found in an area with less than 30% firearm ownership, Hawai'i. Now looking at the places with the worst homicide rates: the Virgin Islands, D.C., and Maryland all have extremely low firearm ownership rates. Break it down further by city and town and the difference becomes even more clear.
you'd be wrong ringo, here is a handy bar graph showing gun ownership by state, the trend is once again lower ownership in liberal states with very few exceptions:
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/9841-percent-firearms-ownership-state.html
So, you believe the above comment you make, YET have a problem with me stooping to your level in order for you to understand? Then you have the nerve to claim irony?
Now THAT'S ironic.
Tim there's an old adage that says "figures dont lie but liars figure". It seems that you have all of the solid proof that we need to just go ahead and ban guns. Before we sign the bill though, could you please explain the problems in places like Mexico, Vancouver (who despite have having stricter guns laws in the past had a steady crime rate increase including homocide for 30 years now) & Austarlia. Yoru facts do not show that where hand guns have been banned & rifles and shotguns have not, the homocide rates have went slighty lower and the home invasion & rape crimes did not go up. Places where all guns were banned crime rates, specifically home invasions & rape, have went up. When you get through explaining how that happens can you insure us that it wont happen in the U.S. the same as it has all over the world? Can you acknowledge that until we control the mexicant border we have no business even thinking about banning any type of gun. Until we stop giving work visas to people who hate & want to destroy us we need to keep our protection. Make no mistake about it these folks hate liberals too. I hope I never have to kill any human ever. I dont want to have to live with that memory or have to think about the surviving family & their grief. Moreover I do not want to watch any of these thugs or hate mongers torture my family with no chance of helping them. Sounds ridiculous, I know, and if it wasn't happening all the time, especially in Mexico my neighbor, I would feel a little ridiculous saying it. If you really care about people and life and homocide rates etc... why dont you spend your time figuring out the root of the evil? Even you have to know it's not guns.
Chris you have to know better than to try and play moral police on any forum. We are all just too stupid to think on your level so your efforts are a waste of time. If we could all be as educated and brilliant as you are we probably wouldnt even have such forums now would we?
Whatsayu:
I believe that's response #63 from the Handbook for People Who Lie on the Internet. The fact is you can't back up your idiotic statements about the dangers of living in countries where governments forbid firearms ownership. That you resort to name-calling further highlights your inability to supply a meaningful rebuttal. You have no proof.
I am inclined to ask in what world you live. 3,054 countries? Really? You have zero credibility.
On the other hand, this article shows clearly the possession of firearms clearly does create the potential for harm.
BikeBoy:
Mentally ill people are not supposed to have firearms in the United States. You might ask Congresswoman Giffords how that worked out.
You lose your credibility when you say you are not a liberal on the subject of guns. You won't find a single dictionary that defines a liberal based on his or her position on firearms. On the other hand, you will find that someone with a liberal view is the staunchest advocate for firearms ownership you are going to find.
I am one of those people. At no time have I suggested taking firearms from citizens. However, we have a serious problem with the carnage that comes with unenforced or unenforceable restrictions on people who should not have firearms for valid and legitimate reasons. Mental illness is one of those reasons.
Rather than listen to the knee jerk reactions of the low-intellect and uninformed people like whatsayu, and frankly the jaundiced view of people like yourself, the real issue is buried in emotion. There is no reason clip capacity must exceed 10 rounds. None. There is no reason we should not require proper training and licensing for owners of firearms. The militia argument is laughable.
How freaking insane is it that this ridiculous screaming match continues even as innocent citizens continue to get blown away? How interested and fair-minded are the "pro-gunners" who are afraid of honest debate? Indeed, they cannot hold their own in a fair debate and are reduced to burying information because they cannot refute it. Check out the posts of sandtrich. Each and every one collapsed by dimwits who can't defend their positions with logic and facts.
Ah, yes, so we should let people on airplanes with guns, knives, explosives, etc. Because after all, the tool did not commit the crime. A person did. A person targeted other people on a plane and it wouldn't matter what the tool, he is the one that did it.
Interesting theory. Still hold it?
No credibility huh. So banning guns has solved all the worlds problems in places where they have done so. Obviously the 3,054 number was a complete exaggeration. There are around 195 countries in this world. Do you think your smart mouth really changes the truth? Guns do not kill people & places that have banned them still have the problem of murder along with an increase in other crimes. Not debatable that is a fact. I dont care if you dont like that fact, dont care to look the information up for yourself or it doesn't fit into your arguement. It is a fact.
"The fact is you can't back up your idiotic statements about the dangers of living in countries where governments forbid firearms ownership." Really??? There are numerous reports and studies on this. I dont have to back it up. It has already been done for me. Do you really want to tell me that there are no problems in Mexico? You are living in a make believe world.
The handbook for people who lie on the internet is not something I'm familiar with. That sounds like one of your studies. Not sure what your were even directing that one towards or what article you are talking about. Figures dont lie but liars figure? That was actually Mark Twain that wrote that. Or wasit directed at John Lott because Im sure nothing in his book would suggest that "clearly the possession of firearms clearly does create the potential for harm".
Harvard Law done a pretty interesting study on this titled "Would banning firearms reduce murder & suicide?" I dont know if you think that they have any credibility either but it sure has alot of interesting information in that article.
Uhhh, they come here to the USA to buy them thanks to the NRA???
whatsayu:
So far each and every one of your posts has been long on opinion and BS. Not one of them includes facts.
As I said, and you were kind enough to corroborate, you have no credibility. You have a whole lot of nothing.
People are the problem why is it legal to buy guns at a gun show from an unliscenced person? I am not against guns but can't we have a conversation about them without it being about banning them or letting eveyone have them. The two extremes are what puzzles me , here you have five dead from gun violence and people turn this into a forum about "people kill people " What has happened to our common sense and rational thinking. People are going to kill eachother no matter what, but that doesn't mean that we should make it easier.
GOP = Gun Owning Puxxies
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45707652/ns/local_news-chicago_il/#.TuzWr9TLw_Q
Sadly, ruled a murder/suicide. : (
The 2nd amendment and the NRA are and will help protect us from this police state. I don't know if people are aware that gun ownership helped rid us of an oppressive government in the 1700's. After that government was kicked out a constitution was drawn up in which the first amendments would guarentee we would always have a fighting chance against such a government. The 2nd amendment is gun ownership. America was founded on it. It's an American tradition.
speakthetruth-2459907, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Deleted many comments for being derails. Don't make this a debate on gun legislation.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson
Tim, thank you for demonstrating what it looks like when someone hits respond without first having any idea about what was said in the post to which they are replying.
This is terribly upsetting. I'm so sorry for these people who died senselessly. It's always upsetting to hear about children being killed like this.
very sad indeed...
Hey Takenaka, in IL hand guns are ALREADY banned for carry, and damn difficult to buy. Try again please.
A little more information might have been nice. Was it a murder/suicide? Was it a random killing by some madman on the loose? Was it mistaken identity? A drug deal gone bad?
The news needs to refrain from jumping the gun without proper information. People are entitled, especially in the nearby communities, to know if they are in danger.
jump the gun NOW
Jump the ignorant moron, spelled "takenaka", for making un-educated blanket statements.
Uhm, hello? They are putting this out there to let people know there IS something going on and they could be in danger. Just becaue they aren't fufilling your thirst for drama and details of such a horrendous story doesn't mean you should be trying to jump the gun yourself.
Have a heart and care about the poor family, friends, and neighbors who are going through all of this.
You want those answers an hour or so after the incident? Who will they ask those questions as they are all dead. Maybe you think they should stop the investigation so they can sit down and port.
This isn't TV where the incident is solved in 47 minutes.
Being they were all shot and killed if it was a murder suicide there would be a gun found next to one of the bodies.
Will still have to take a while. By law, they cannot release any information until the next of kin are notified. That will take asking questions of neighbors, checking data bases, wedding , birth, and death certificates. Unless one of the family members lived next door, that could take a couple of days.
I am all in favor of background checks for gun purchases, of all types. However that will not weed out all who suffer from mental illness. Some who suffer never show signs until they crack. And what illnesses qualify a person from owning a gun. Depression? Ok, how many millions take depression medicine? My ex suffered from depression, but never had a violent episode in the 20 years we were married. Will she in the future? I don't know. But I had several handguns, and two rifles in the house for 20 years.
yeah it is sad and tragic about their deaths but if your only going to write 3 sentences then dont write it at all. we want to know who did it, why, etc..DETAILS!
Sure, they will solve the case in minutes so you have something to read.
I feel bad for what happened but where's the rest of the article?????
the dog ate it...
Whatever the circumstances, this is a terrible tragedy. I really dislike hearing occurrences like this. How sad.
I do hope more information is brought to light.
It sounds like a murder/suicide. You don't see too many random murders like this where entire families are murdered including toddlers and babies by random strangers. I'm fairly confident it will be a situation where the father murdered the wife, daughter and baby and then had to chase the son down and after killing him then turned the gun on himself.
Way to be so dramatic...
people above... the concept is called breaking news. you get more info as it develops...
very sad really hope it doesn't turn out to be another murder-suicide take out the whole family thing. such senseless death
I'm sorry Scotch that didn't sound right. what would you prefer it was? my thoughts are I wish this never happened at all. it more than likely was a murder suicide. if not then some one was sicker then anything imaginable. this in its self is unimaginable. but depression can do terrible things to the human mind. and this time of year triggers depression in some people. this is very sad.
We'll know soon enough if it was a M/S...
Here is another possibility: A hit..... If it was a hit, We'll find that there was no weapon found, house not ransacked etc... Until the PD decides that there is enough info. to be released, and the next of kin have been notified, all we can do is speculate...
The family could have been in witness relocation and were found,..... Who knows..
My heart and prayers go out to this family's relatives and neighbors.
SAD! If you wanna kill someone, whatever, leave the kids out of it!!!
RIP to those that died for no reason! ESPECIALLY THE BABIES!
Precisely my point! Life is your greatest "gift" and he has taken away others' greatest gifts...and for what? Worried about holiday pressures and 'toy' objects perhaps? Well more parents should revamp priorities and counter-act lack of material things with as much love and nurturing a child can take. Why are bullets a solution? This 'parent' hurt their own blood much more than anything close to a failed and ruined holiday. Sad...Condolences to family members and friends.
I agree but my bet is that it was about custody of the kids. "If I can't have 'em, nobody will!"
Tell Joesph Duncan not to hurt those kids.
It matters not over who has custody, these things are a bunch of BS. There is no reason for it. Its weak people that off themselves and their families...
Bike boy Why would you bring up that sick S A SOB, I remember him he committed one of the most heinous crimes in the history of the North West, And the Midwest, And the West coast, as bad as the Green river killer, even worse in some ways but he used a hammer in Idaho, the shotgun in Montana was a accidental discharge. you have a point but would you elaborate on it so the advocates can understand your point. is your point the hammer.
Terrible tragedy!
And, soon will come all the socio-ethnic, or socio-political BS on these comment pages. All the usual disections of ... "what is... what was ... why the media... Guns this ...Guns that... Liberal judges this...2nd Amendment that... If so & so was packing..."
Whine on...!
uhhhh, bonzo....you just kicked it off, maroon
otter54-
If you can be so kind and read above this comment, maybe you wouldn't be so naive by saying C_D_J55. "kicked it off." You would've realized it started awhile ago.
Wanna-be smart-azz named otter54 is trying too hard to be macho. Hey, otter...who's a "maroon"?
Whine on. otter...!
My condolences to the family and the community that this happened to. I agree with caligirl; your hearts should go out to the family. Don't sit here and hunger for more news - the police need time to investigate to get the facts and then maybe give the whole public a statement. Sorry that forensics labs don't work like they do on TV - there are no instant results in 4 mins or less, those tests take WEEKS because more than one sample has to be tested, different chemicals added, removed, etc.
You people should be ashamed. Sparking stupid political and pointless arguments on such an awful news story. Go argue somewhere else, this tragedy does not need your idiotic views posted here. Express sympathies to the surviving family members; after all, the parents were someone's children, their children someone's nieces/nephews/grandchildren.
Stop being so petty by picking apart the news articles for their grammar. You don't like how things are done on MSN, go somewhere else for your news.
Good posting, Jodi!
Collectively, America is one whiney-azz nation, when it comes to petty, insignificant BS. Along with snarkey, macho posing.
Hope this "slaughter of the innocents" will stop! There seem to be something very bad with America's mindset, these days. And, not just in urban areas! The rural & vanilla suburbs are just as bad, sometimes!
Simple...there are monsters on the loose. Vermin. Scum.
"her son is firefighter" -- This is a tragoc event..and a tragic article. Was it written by a child?
Proper grammar and spelling are no longer a requirement in today's journalism. Afterall, like, you know, there is, like, uh, you know, "spell check".
"afterall" ???????????????
The media knows as much as they have reported- law enforcement at this moment either knows as much or is not releasing further details. The names are not released immediately so that extended family can be prepared for the shock. Sorry folks, they can't give you what they don't have- they are actually being responsible.
Meanwhile, we are told that a family has been obliterated and that for the moment our questions will have to go unanswered... I am wondering if this is really becoming more prevelent (multiple homicides) or we as a people are getting the news quicker due to the omnicience of the internet? Either way, let it be known that this family will pray for the survivours and that answeres may be found quickly.
the Old Sgt.
Sarge, you are correct about the speed news gets out today. By the same token though, there is a greater responsibility for the media to not cloud the issue with spurious information: "... her husband is Emington Mayor Daniel Delaney and her son is a firefighter...," in reference to the lady the reporter actually talked to, nothing to do with the victims, except, maybe, socially, in such a small community.
The original article was misleading, tending to cause confusion. But, the basic news was BAD news, regardless of what has been written here, HORRIFIC news.
It definitely seems to be happening more often. I think the stress many people are under is triggering mental illnesses in those who are prone. Our lives become more and more stressful, especially in this bad economy. People under extreme stress may no longer see any hope for the future for themselves or their families.
Very, very sad.
Increased stress is only one factor. With the population growing so rapidly, more people means more unstable minds.
here's an idea that should spark some debate. Do not let felons procreate. neuter all male and female felon. Now the criminal gene will reduce, if not die out.
here's another plan. progressives want abortion on demand. progressives want same sex marriage. I say let them have it. In 5 generations, there won't be any progressives.
Obviously there was no love in this family. So sad.
where did u get that train of thought from??? i dont c anything that says they didnt love each other or anything along those lines!!
@Bill..r we on te same story ?
Bill388.... What? It doesn't say one of them did it. We don't know that yet. My first thought was 'witness protection program' family found by mafia? And wiped out? It just sounded like they were definitely trying to send a message to others..... But maybe I watch too many movies....
Sorry for the son. he must be in pain.
this seem like a repeted story
youtube this
5 Members of Illinois Family Murdered at Home
??? son in pain , how's that when they all have been killed. the sec/treasurers son/firefighter was at the scene is what i saw. A heck of a tragedy for sure, god help the grandparents and parents of them all.
The woman who commented for the reporter was a teacher where the slain children attended. The teacher's husband is the mayor and the teacher's son is a fire fighter who responded to the scene. I had to read it a few times to understand it. The way the article was written left the impression that the firefighter was a member of the slain family. Kind of confusing.
So sorry for this family.
The entire world is crazy now, seems like everything is just going to hell now.
Try to not get caught up in the media frenzy. This is what they want you to believe. In reality, people, for the most part, are good. This the exception rather than the rule. Don't let the crazies bring you down to their level.
Ok. For all the idiots jumping to conclusions, Must every article like this always point to the man as being the 'killer'? "Murder/suicide"? Maybe, just maybe we as a society can get off the kick of always doing this. Maybe the Mother was depressed and fed up living a married life, Couldn't find a lake or a pond to drive the kids into, or stop the car on a lone highway ( claiming she ran out of gas ) so instead grabbed a gun and blew away the fam as the father ran out the door in hopes of saving the children. Ever thought of that idea?
Sadly it is statistically far more common for the man in the family to end up being the aggressor. Believe me, were the track record different such assumptions wouldn't be made...
Angie
Where did you get your statistics? Actually I believe the opposite to be true when it comes to murdering the children.
Tiger you are right..... and by a mile too
Tiger, What et al: Women on whom have been shoved the entire responsibility for the care of the family and who usually have fewer resources than the absent father go berzerk more often than the father who usually are not burdened with responibility the way women usually are do have a larger track record of violence than do men. THAT does not seem to apply in this particular case, although we don't yet have full information. Your rant notwithstanding, the man goes on these killing sprees a lot more often than the woman does.
Matilda Tuscany
Well Matilda, you are wrong in general and also wrong in this case. All the other nonsense about poor women doesn't wash either. Most bad things in life have a woman rooted to them. Beginning with Eve,never stopped!
it's not the gun...it's the fast moving bullets. merry xmas
Sincere condolences to the immediate and extended family, friends, neighbors and co-workers if any.
If this does in fact become a murder-suicide, I only wish these types of people would reverse the order... Suicide then... uhmm.. it works much better that way. Only the psycho dies.
Offerings never stop to the Demon NRA.
Sujan...don't start. I am no fan of the NRA, either. But whoever did this, whether it was a suicide/murder or murder by someone else, would have done the same with anything else they could find to get the job done.
You may be right. Unfortunately gun accessibility just makes it that much easier to pull the trigger without really thinking it through. Any other alternative method requires a lot more follow-through, endurance and sheer willpower to commit the crime. Unless you manage to stab someone in the heart or a major artery the odds of them living through the attack are exponentially higher and, thus, far more effort is required to ensure an actual death. The same holds true with just about every other potential weapon except, perhaps, cyanide or similar drugging. The ease with which guns are obtained in this country facilitates many more "crimes of passion" than might otherwise end up being acted upon.
AngieS - did you know ?
In recent years the murder rate in England has been going up under still more severe gun control laws, while the murder rate in the United States has been going down as more and more states have allowed private citizens to carry concealed weapons -- and have begun locking up more criminals.
A knife is the most common murder weapon and was used in 29 per cent of homicides in England and Wales last year.
Sujan-3790498,AngieS
Look up the model car you drive to see how many deaths and injuries it caused.
If the NRA is a fault for this then Chrysler is at fault when parent do not place their kids in a child car seat before running down the road.
Sujan, please consider that 1) the great genocides in history have come after the people were disarmed. 2) Japan did not invade the mainland, because they knew they'd be fighting every american on every farm all across this great nation. 3) We are free here in the USA to bear arms. 4) If the right person in this scenario were armed, we wouldn't even be discussing this, because the family would have been appropriately defended. It is a horrible tragedy that befell this family. Please don't use this families tragedy to further your political agenda. It's vulgar.
So sad, I hate hearing news like this. :( Especially with children, because their life ended before it really started. So sorry for their families, friends, and community.
Ma'am, thank you for your common sense approach to this terrible tragedy.
Who ever did this will have some serious karma coming their way.
It's always sad to hear innocent children were killed. From the small details, it seems like they were some prominent figures in the community, I wonder were they targets if this isn't a murder-suicide. Looking forward to more details in this developing and eery story!
Esther, I don't think they identified who these victims were. Agreed, the way the short article was written is deceiving, perhaps giving the impression the adult male victim was the mayor. I think that is not the case. I believe that to be the husband of the community's treasurer, the lady giving the information to the reporter, not the adult male that was killed.
it was the person talking about it and her husband who were prominent, but this was such a poorly written article, i see where you were misled. i was too...briefly. at one point i was thinking the dead woman's son was called to the scene as a firefighter.
Looks like Illinois needs to re-think their gun laws. Jerks. It is the only state left, yes that's right 1 of 50 that has extreme gun laws. Granted folks can still keep guns in their home, but the pressure from the law puts strain on people exercising this freedom.... Oh boy, I just started a discussion. here comes all those who oppose! The thing to remember is this.. Do guns cause unnecessary and innocent deaths? Unfortunately yes. Even with the obvious yes answers, why would we only want criminals, and government to have guns? This leaves all the good guys defenseless. Do we want to see more stories like this? I think not. If you would like to test my theory, do some research in totalitarian countries where guns are banned (Libya, North Korea, just to name a few). When government, criminals and rebels are the only one with guns, the rest of us are at their mercy. Look up the quality of life these citizens, women, and children have. Very sad story here. I am so sorry for all those closest to the victims.
What makes you think the gun used wasn't one of those kept in the home? there is no indication this was done by an outsider. In fact it points more towards a family member as one of the fatalities was called to the home.
the son of the woman talking about it was called to the home.
Odds are "Murder-Suicide" - Rotten economy living out in the middle of the Illinois prairie. Not my idea of fun.
- I'm a retired cop from a city about forty miles from there; got the hell out while the gettin' was good.....
It's not the gun or the fast moving bullets...it's the person holding the gun...the DEFECTIVE PERSON! Set a loaded gun on a table with the muzzle pointed at your chest. Take your hands off the gun...sit back and wait...that gun WILL NEVER KILL YOU!!!!!! You will die of old age long before that gun kills you short of a person picking it up, pointing it at you and pulling the trigger...why is this so hard to understand. Out law guns and those kids would have been killed with something else...probably something a heck of alot slower and more painful...you want to outlaw something...maybe it should be stupid people.
If your response was directed to mine (seems that way since it was just a few mins later). I suggest you go back and read mine again. I said IL needs to relax their gun laws!
In other words I agree with you 100%
Still, if the shooter didn't have a gun...couldn't the two adults perhaps at least managed to defend the kids?
Wants to know
Yes,just in time for a gang member to rape them and cut off their heads.