Why can't the occupiers just try to focus on separating corporations and State, instead of interfering with businesses?

Thank you Soaz! The only people this action is hurting are the port laborers and the independent contractors (drivers) that don't get paid until they deliver the goods to their final destination. Idiots, all of them.

I wonder how that driver, or that portsman, is going to feel about OWS when they don't have any money to buy Christmas presents for their kids this year because their shipments were stopped or their hours were cut.

Willie, I don't spend any time wondering why they won't just go away because they will shortly after the election. They're this year's model of Code Pink. Rmemeber them? The "anti-war" group that disappeared when Obama got elected? The wars are still going on, we've sent troops to Africa and where's Code Pink?? The OWS will do the same after the election.

Nerm I: Business has been interfering with people's lives for a long, long time. Really? So business that brought electricity, affordable cars, refrigeration into homes, the computer YOU'RE typing on hase been an interference?? Sorry business and innovation has been so inconvenient for you..... I guess you'll have to throw away your computer, I-Pad, cell phone to protest mean old business??

Willie - Corporate blogger - NOT. American veteran that is sick and tired of seeing these spoiled, self-indulged, out of control brats and anarchists rant and rave - YES. They WILL go away, because they're just like an ingrown nasal hair, irritating to a point until infection starts, and THEN, you just pull it out! Pretty soon the cities that run these ports and the people that work in them are going to come down on these rag bags like a ton of bricks, and I hope folks like willie, canoworms, and Nern_L are in the front row when it happens. Then we'll see what kind of job they get (as if most of them even want a job) as a felon. There's a right way and a wrong way to disssent and get the respect of the people. The way OWS folks dissent is worthy of a bunch of thugs, and I wish they would try to block a bunch of AFL-CIO truckers from going to work! "Idiots" is giving them too much intelligence! Enough said!

From the article...."The port said two terminals were closed for the day due to security reasons and that 200 workers were told not to show on Monday."

Good job idiots! You have effectively kept 200 middle class blue collar workers from their jobs. They will not be paid as a result of your stupidity! And just in time for the holidays as well. The businesses that lose some revenue today because of your actions will not feel this shut shut down. The average worker who loses a days wages will. When will you idiots get it through your head that this type of protest is only further hurting those thay you claim to represent.

Nerm:

Business is only a parasite that seeks to capture the rewards of people's ingenuity ...
Business is the catalyst that provides opportunity for innnovation. If you're so dead set against it what are you doing typing on a computer that has components made in China and assembled in Mexico or some other country? Your hypocrisy is really kind of amusing! Let me guess do you think you're an environmentalist becauses you drive a Prius? Ha ha! You self righteous hypocrite liberals really are entertaining at times!

Nermal:

Kindly expalin to the rest of us how a "business" can exist without, or even separate from, people.

The loopy 'occupiers' would probably feel that the dockworkers who cannot work would and should be paid anyway.

And I have heard of union members refusing to cross another union's picket line...but the union member in the article says he won't cross an 'OWS' picket line ??? I wish he'd explain why that is ???

Hope all those people that lost a days pay appreciate those efforts. The unions crying about their low wages?

See what happens when the shippers move out entirely like so many other ports.

Physically impeding people from getting to work. That would never happen in Virginia. Time for tear gas and rubber bullets!

These protesters will never be listened to or taken seriously by employing terrorist tactics! It will be a matter of time before the brave men and women trying to get to work have had enough (yeah, most of the 99%) and choose to take action against these criminals.

And as for lame brain parents that bring children along, this is felony reckless endangerment.

Correction:

The 1% only serves the 1%.

"The Occupy movement is attacking the 1 percent at their point of profit."

Wrong! The Occupy movement is attacking workers and their family's all across the nation whose jobs depend on the goods coming in these ports.

I have some sympathy for this movement however acts like this put me at extreme odds with them.

"The Occupy movement is attacking the 1 percent at their point of profit."

BS! Highly ineffective. Occupy Congress or the State/Local government and affect change to the market through legislation. Protesters are only attacking the 99% at their point of profit, which is a days wage. Ports would have to be shut down for more than a couple of hours or days to disrupt the flow of goods in and out to a point where the 1% feel it. Even then, I seriously doubt that would even put a dent in their earnings. It is sad that this movement still lacks the leadership and vision to actualize their objective...whatever that may be. Hearts may be in the right place, but they've no clue what they are doing.

Ah the 1%'s smear campaign against the movement has worked I see.

25 Walker,.......The Constitution protects a person(s) right to peaceful assembly and protest. It does not , nor do any state or local laws, support tresspassing, rioting,intimidation or bullying, destruction of private property, burglary,littering, assaultinig police officers.....standard OWS-tard antics.

Yeah, thanks for the compliment (about my name). Initially I was semi-sympathetic toward their cause regarding corporate greed but the OWS behavior is reprehensible. I'm one of the 99% and these people do not represent the values I that I hold dear.

I'm sorry about Mr. Olsen but he put himself in a bad position. Nobody forced him to join a lawless mob.

I'm betting businesses can hold out alot longer than those 200 working stiffs that wont get paid today.

I am one of the 99% that OWS does NOT represent. Keeping people from their jobs, from being able to provide for their families and buy gifts for the kids for Christmas is NOT the way you support them. You want to Protest how things are done, try protesting in DC. That's where it all starts.

OWS isn't hurting corporate America in their foolish actions. They are hurting the working person. The hourly worker who won't get paid if they are blocked from getting to work.

That sounds about as logical as 360billion dollars for FREE Health care.

These stupid OWS nubag supporters justify their actions by comparing their situation here, in the USA to Syria, Egypt, and Libya. No comparison when the mideast countries murder their people and lack a social safety net for people that sit on their arses. These protesters have a far better standard of living than mideast protesters who, more than likely far surpass OWS clowns in work ethic.

Most OWS have it pretty good here. And possess the freedom to improve their lot in life if they choose.

First off the numbers, I am reading on a number of sites that 200-400 showed up. This is total BS I help put on large events and can honestly say at Long beach at least 2,000 showed up.

Second point is that a lots of people "here" are complaining that we were keeping people from their work but then why were we welcomed by many union members? I know because I was there and heard it first hand and also heard it discussed on KPFK. I learned by listening to discussions from workers and those directly involved how hard it is to make a living anymore as a dockworker or independenat driver at the docks. Point made that its yet another place where free market crapitalism just dont work.

Are you supporting Walmart and all the crap that comes from china that takes away American jobs?

I say love it or leave it ,move to china or help bring back jobs hear by buying and being an American!

@soazDan -- My computers cost me nothing - zilch - nada. I run dumpster trash that companies discard (for tax deductions, I might add). Same with most of my appliances and gadgets. All sorts of freebies at the local recycle center - paint, cleaning supplies, gadgets and materials.
Amazing what can be found in a capitalist's dumpster ...

@spider-737231 -- When businesses view employees as a cost instead of as a resource - business has already separated itself from people. That is the difference between a business dedicated to providing a product or service as opposed to a business that is only dedicated to making a profit. When it is more important for the 'management team' to have new laptops - instead of avoiding layoffs - the business priorities are wrong.
Obviously people are just expendables ...

This psuedo movement is on it's way out. Nothing has come of it but a big pain in the ass for too many people. As for the union laborers, their contract probably allows them pay in instances such as this. What a joke.

CRY SOME MORE. The fact you dont like it or agree is meaningless. See you at the polls, that wont be meaningless.

Actually the last time the OWS did this in Oakland the union when to court to demand pay and they were told NO. So go ahead honor the line of OWS like that Longshoreman says he will- when at the end of the month he has less money let see if OWS provides him with some. Once again fools you are targeting the wrong group- talk to your government. You love to put down business but you sure love their money and services.

Squash them. Spray them. Lock them. Don't, I repeat Don't Hire them.

Pseudo movement? No, the teaparty was a pseudo movement. This is real. Agreed, keeping blue collar workers from their jobs isn't the best way to protest, but they are blocking importation of foreign products to send a message. I love it when you right wing nuts feel the need to tell the OWS group to get a job, just shows how out of touch you really are. Can't wait to take back the house and prove that your teaparty bs is toxic to our economy. Republicans are the ones who are waging war on the middle class, not OWS.

They could be doing worse things , I work in a jail and all the young people I see have either robbed raped or have mudered someone with no remorse. So this seems tame to me.

OWS claims to be the 99%. They actually represent less then .1% of the 99% ers point of view. Please don't speak for me OWS even though I am in the middle middle class and financially leveraged to the hilt. You have a right to free speech and I resepect that, but if you try to keep me from getting to my job so you can 'hurt the man' you'll be glad some of us are paying for health care for you.

They block exportation of American goods just as much, OregonPat. If they really want to catch the attention of the company bigwigs, they need to go where they are. To the corporate headquarters. Of course, all the low-paid office workers would get hurt just as much. The OWS strong-arm tactics earn them ZERO respect and interfere with the livelihoods of those that do have jobs, and families to support. I agree with the others on here, one of these days, they're going to blockade the wrong group of workers, and this whole thing will blow up in their faces.

25Walker....(#1.25)....Here's your Scott Olson:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/good-grief-leftie-hero-scott-olsen-is-founder-of-i-hate-the-marines-com/

Click on the Blue " I Hate the Marine Corps."

Also:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31617

He was more than likely hit in the head by a bottle or rock meant for a Police Officer.....

The protest will focus in part on truck drivers who earn low wages and cannot join unions because they are classified as independent, and must provide their own trucks."It's a group that encapsulates basically everything that is wrong with society," King said.

Wow! So now owning your own truck and being an independent worker is everything that is wrong with America. Funny I see the independent truckers as the type that encapsulate everything that is right with America. You know, personal responsibility and all that. That statement by an OWS spokesperson shows just how far left OWS is. The socialist mindset typified by this one spokesperson is enough to make me proclaim loudly that "I AM ONE OF THE REAL 99% THAT IS NOT REPRESENTED BY THESE SOCIALIST MORONS!

Squashing our people's right to protest is Undemocratic and it would make us no better than other freedom robbing countries.

Walker25 I guess squashing the publics rights to enjoy a local park without carpetbaggers and fecal matter is also undemocratic. Nobody wants to squash peoples right to protest, they just want to squash peoples right to riot, cause damage or to keep the rest of us from getting to our jobs.

I love the liberal scum whose knee-jerk instinct is to side with any group of losers. The bigger the loser, the mightier the rallying cry.

This isn't a protest. This is a whine-fest with no goal and no purpose other than to get a few bearded mugs on television.

An insult to the concept of free-expression. Thanks to these low-lives, any future, real attempts at voicing an opinion will be tainted with this collection of human excrement.

Run them over with heavy machinery, spray them down with pesticide. Whatever it takes to get this pathetic mob out of the gears of commerce.

They should have sent the longshoremen home without pay...longshoremen know how to solve a problem that gets between them and their paycheck.

James Dahmer said:

Why can't the occupiers just try to focus on separating corporations and State, instead of interfering with businesses?

And why aren't they focused on separating the Unions and the State??!? They should be, but then, where would they get their ideas from...... OWS - clueless tools of the Unions and the far left.

Being an independent contractor sounds good in principle but in practice it's a way to squeeze the workers more.

The shippers and port owners refuse to recognize their drivers as employees, preferring to classify them as independent contractors. This relieves the shippers of responsibility for benefits like unemployment insurance, health coverage, and paying the drivers for idle time. The drivers are only paid on a per-load basis, so they must eat any delays due to circumstances beyond their control. The payment per load is so low that after covering costs for their trucks they may earn less than $10 per hour for actual time at the job.

Some port operators require the driver to lease the truck and trailer from them, but any fines for unsafe equipment are the drivers' fault and are paid by the driver. Imagine if this practice were allowed in other industries: factory workers paying the company rent for their space on the production line, and not getting paid while the line is stopped for any reason, office workers paid as contractors on a piece-work basis, while renting the cubicle, phone, and office equipment from the company. Are you prepared to work as an independent contractor at your job?

MT...

I was kind of slackjawed at that union hack's comments too. It's like someone put a gun to these truck drivers' heads and forced them to open a trucking business instead of joining the Teamster's Union.

That's "union mentality" at it's most demented.

and you are the perfect poster child for the unwashed masses...get a bath, find a job... dummy

@!$%#s closing down the ports that supply the jobs for the very people they pretend to represent. Dumb son of a bitches. How can they get jobs when they spend all day protesting everything. Hopefully they will disappear like the hippies.

It's one thing to stand up for a cause. It's another thing all together when the very people the protestors claim to represent, are having their lives, safety, and jobs disrupted.

Some of the occupiers have been protesting for quite some time now. Maybe they should spend some of that time looking for jobs and contributing to themselves and the economy.

Scott Olsen should die of stomach cancer!!!

Semper Fi-douche bag.

They might cost the "big" company a few pennies. But a days wages to a worker, that is huge. Your hurting the wrong people.

Head to congress, shut them down.

Canyonguy

I live and work in NYC, so I don't know what is going on in CA, but here people think OWS is much bigger than it actually is. At he biggest rally they got about 5000 or so for the Times Square rally. There big day of action a couple weeks ago had about 400 to try to shut down the NYSE. In a city this size (about 8 million) that is almost not even a gathering. Many more people occupy Madison Square Park to wait on line to get a Shake Shack burger on a nice day.

I couldn't tell from how the article was written if they were supporting or criticizing the use of non-union independent drivers. I know Teamsters and I can't see them supporting non-union drivers.

"It's a group that encapsulates basically everything that is wrong with society," King said.

What does he mean by this statement? Is he saying that the independent drivers are being victimized by the big business ports? Is he saying the independent drivers, who are basically small business', they own their own trucks and directly contract with the ports, are what is wrong with our society because they don't belong to a union? They are almost certainly part of 99%.

Individual union members may be supporting what they believe the OWS is trying to accomplish (have they decided what that is yet?), but the article states that the Longshoremen and Warehouse workers unions opposed to the protest and the Teamsters taking a neutral stance. That to me says the official union positions are not supportive. I know other unions have been supportive, at least in NYC. In fact the biggest rallies OWS has had involved large numbers of organized union workers from the teachers unions and the Transit Workers Union.

I read a detailed article in the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago on the OWS movement and its organizational and early days. The people who originally came up with the idea before it grew. That told me what I needed to know.

Some of the less radical people have a couple interesting ideas. The vast majority have no understanding of our economic system, nor do they have an accurate understanding of what they are protesting for or against. They feel they have been wronged. That they have been lied to. That may be true, but it is not enough. What is going on is a bunch of people are standing around together shaking their fists saying "This isn't fair". That is not a movement.

Now the antagonists are affecting the welfare of the people they claim to support. They're losing more and more support daily and it won't be long before they find out how irrelevant they were.

I support the awareness OWS is trying to promote about economic injustice and corporate greed, but do not see how they are actually going to change anything with their current agenda.

The other day they shut down the Law and Order set here in NYC. I know a lot of families will benefit from that action....

Today, the caused blue collar union workers to lose a half day's pay. That is counter to their stated goal of supporting workers.

In my opinion, they should focus a lot more time and effort on things such a petitioning to challenge Citizens United and reinstating Glass Stegall and a lot less on where they can put up tents and shutting down ports that employ blue collar workers.

Nerm_L

@soazDan -- My computers cost me nothing - zilch - nada. I run dumpster trash that companies discard (for tax deductions, I might add). Same with most of my appliances and gadgets. All sorts of freebies at the local recycle center - paint, cleaning supplies, gadgets and materials.
Amazing what can be found in a capitalist's dumpster ...

Ok, do you generate your own electricity, as well? Also, and this applies to the OWS movement, what some may see as "resourceful" and "ingenuitive" (i.e. dumpster-diving) others may see as a "scavenging, bottom-feeder". I guess it's all how you'd view it politically....since you used the word 'capitalist'.

otter...

If you don't address your insult to anyone in particular, then nobody on this site will have any idea of whom you are attempting to insult...unless you simply wished to insult everyone on this site.

Since your attempted insult appears immediately after my last post, I have a good shot at being the "insultee". If so...insult not accepeted...I clean myself on a daily basis and I already have a job where your "unwashed masses" need not apply.

Sorry about that, chief !

So clueless. Haven't you guys heard about breaking a few eggs to make omelets? Are you happy that some 20 million are out of jobs, that millions of children go to sleep hungry, in the richest country in the world? Sounds like you are, and it sounds like you would be more than happy when YOU lose your livelihood, and have your own children go to bed hungry.

Absolutely clueless. Keep the blinders on, until it happens to you. By the way, for everyone that says that these guys should get jobs, why the H-E-double-hockey-sticks do you think these guys are protesting? THERE ARE NO JOBS!!!!!!! If there were, and a MAJORITY of those available were paying more than $9 an our jobs, there wouldn't be any protests!

I am so irritated that such a huge portion of our country cry about how the morals of our country have been unraveled, yet turn around, and criticize the people that are fighting to survive, feed, and cloth their own children and themselves. The state of "morality" in this country is almost dead, not because of the lack of god, but because of lack of compassion, and the rise of utter selfishness and flat out ignorance.

hahaha...OWS... Fleabaggers

I known the GOP/Tea Party/Right-Wing HATE Fresh ideas.

Therefore here is a Repost!

The Occupiers have tenacity and this is Great!

Occupy Wall Street should pull together a leadership team.

With directly focused goals the movement is primed to accomplish positive changes in America for the middle class and the poor.

The years of 2000-2008 were an economic disaster for the U.S.

The 1% is only serves the 1%.

This country needs new economic, political and social directions.

We need domestic platforms that will benefit ALL of our citizens.

Occupy is a good springboard.

If you Right-Wing Reactionaries want to continue to SINK yourselves with your Failed political idealogy - Fine. However, SPARE the Rest of America!

rightwingnut69

25 Walker,.......The Constitution protects a person(s) right to peaceful assembly and protest. It does not , nor do any state or local laws, support tresspassing, rioting,intimidation or bullying, destruction of private property, burglary,littering...Yeah, thanks for the compliment (about my name). Initially I was semi-sympathetic toward their cause...I'm sorry about Mr. Olsen but he put himself in a bad position.

Rightwingnut,

Again you did correctly select a logical name for your illogical views.

You want to talk about laws?

Here are some laws for you to intectually digest regarding the Crooks and theives on Wall Street:

http://www.sec.gov/about/whatwedo.shtml

No where have I read that it suddenly became legal to violate the legal and binding fudiary obligations that were violated by the "bankers" on Wall Street. From state A.G.s, these robbers are begging for immunity from prosecution for their crimes. It is crazy that there is much criticism here for the OWS people - but not a word said about the damaged that these corner-office stealers caused the American economy.

Initially I was semi-sympathetic toward their cause...

Who cares if you were initially sympathetic. The brave OWS women and men are fighting for economic justice. They do not need you. They will gladly continue their historic cause for fairness without you.

Mr. Olsen but he put himself in a bad position.

On foreign soil, Mr. Olsen was brave enough to face lethal bullets. This war veteran facing gunfire overseas is an action I am sure that you are much too cowardly to follow. Now, again, this veteran returns to Oakland to protest. You are not in any position to say anything derogatory about Mr. Olsen. You do not have the courage to fill his shoes.

Rightwingnut, if you pursue the White-Collar Hoods first then maybe...just maybe you will be able to comprehend the igdination of the Occupy Wall Street prostesters.

...I won't hold my breath though.

Mike in Delray

Here's your Scott Olson...

Mike,

Your avator is just as goofy as your remarks.

You probably have distorted Obama's picture because he is probably much better looking than you are. Do not worry, though, looks are not everything. However, I do not see any intellence in your comments that will help you since you probably are not very handsome.

calmbeforethestorm

I guess squashing the publics rights to enjoy a local park

Nocalmbeforethestorm,

The theft of people's incomes, retirement funds and homes are far more serious "crimes" than OWS's supposed "crime" of preventing people from sitting in Parks, just so that they can soak up unneeded UVA and UVB rays.

...You are dissmissed.

intellectually, fiduciary, indignation, avatar, intelligence, public, dissmised.

OWS defined.

"It's a group that encapsulates basically everything that is wrong with society," King said.

Excellent strategy by OWS to leverage police overreaction in one situation with a direct counteraction in a separate location. Doing so in a well advertized deliberate and calibrated way will highlight any police zealousness.

The corporate shills didn't read the article (it's not in their contract) - the majority of truck drivers and longshoremen supported the protesters. Who wants to go sling cargo in 35 degree cold in Seattle at Christmas time - no one. I worked in the Seattle rain for 20 years - I'd gladly take the day off...lol.

171 votes...lmao. Between the NRA and their shills and the Banks/Wall Street shills - they should have us all converted in no time...NOT. Grow up corporate America - you may have the politicians in your pocket, but we the people have seen through that for some time now.

Yeah those poor longshoremen working in Seattle rain. I remember an article in the Seattle Times that stated the average pay of these middle class blue collar union folks was $106,000.00 a year. lol

Mike,

Your avator is just as goofy as your remarks.

You probably have distorted Obama's picture because he is probably much better looking than you are. Do not worry, though, looks are not everything. However, I do not see any intellence in your comments that will help you since you probably are not very handsome.

Wow. Great debating skills here. Refuted every point he made, didn't you. What? Can't find anything contradicting what he posted? I'm sure that your childish attempts at insulting him made him "see the light".

Typical OWS mentality. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.

Maurice said:

Excellent strategy by OWS to leverage police overreaction in one situation with a direct counteraction in a separate location. Doing so in a well advertized deliberate and calibrated way will highlight any police zealousness.

Only problem with this line of thought is that the majority of the public will support police zealousness over OWS lawlessness.

25walker said:

calmbeforethestorm

I guess squashing the publics rights to enjoy a local park

Nocalmbeforethestorm,

The theft of people's incomes, retirement funds and homes are far more serious "crimes" than OWS's supposed "crime" of preventing people from sitting in Parks, just so that they can soak up unneeded UVA and UVB rays.

So I guess it's OWS and their supporters right to determine what is appropriate for US citizens? Isn't that part of what they're fighting against? How does infringing on other peoples rights support their cause? What have they done when they have felt their rights were being infringed upon?

BTW, I didn't know OWS was affiliated with any particular party. You certainly have some bipartisan issues. I think you could use a mental 'walker' to assist you with rational thinking. However, I doubt that even you believe the tripe you're spewing. The internet is loaded with folks like you that just like to get people riled up. Folks on this blog should pity people like you rather than lashing out at you and giving you what you want.

Mike; the high end of the scale is $35 an hour - or around $72,800 a year before taxes. More than enough to afford a few days off from work. Seattle ranks number 1 in longshoreman pay. When I hit 15 years of working in Seattle rain, I started taking all my vacation time in the winter - I still wound up on L&I after 10 operations. If you plan it right you can get almost a month off and only use about two weeks of vacation between Thanksgiving and New Years.

Doesn't Boeing shut down for all of December?

Interesting how the OWS is going after shipping companies and ports. Like that's really going to accomplish much of anything...except that it does follow union lines, and note how many unions are involved in OWS. As to the independent truckers, Obama has shot them in the foot big time with his millions (or is it billions) sent to Mexico to help the Mexican truckers into the US.

Radical anarchists and anti-capitalists and union thugs do not a protest make, rather, what you have are the mindless and directionless being used as the pawns aka: useful idiots for those who want an end to capitalism and the creation of a socialist/marxist system. Note how many of the protesters seem posessed of this entitlement mentality. You have and I want.

Now, I did hear about how the DNC convention is making plans to ban the OWS protesters, interesting. If they do indeed protest said convention, then perhaps there is more to the protests than meets the eye. However, they need to go to DC, that is where the corruption begins and ends, cutting off working people from their jobs is not exactly helpful.

Raisa Ivanovavia

I love the liberal scum whose knee-jerk instinct is to side with any group of losers. The bigger the loser, the mightier the rallying cry.

Raisa,

If you substitute the word conservative for "liberal" and add the word "guns" it sounds like you are talking about Bachmann, Palin, and the Tea Party.

Faux News' website must be quite empty today.

So many of the station's duped believers are on this forum.

What happened to the NY house that this disgusting mob decided belonged to the welfare abusers?

I hope they all got arrested but I assume someone finally realized the incredible stupidity of it and how much of a slap-in-the-face it was to American taxpayers and civility in general.

OWS is attacking those who are doing the work. They are attacking their own, except they are not their own. They are jealous that others have jobs and they don't so their current goal is to stop others from having jobs. Ya, that will work to their advantage.

Why not occupy another subway station to get the support of those who have jobs by keeping them from getting there? Why not block the entrances to shopping malls so patrons can't get in to support the working class trying to make a living? Why not occupy the police and fire stations so they can't help those in need? Why not do the same with hospitals?

The only kind of movement this is is the same kind one could have at home on the toilet, except that this movement wants others to wipe up after them.

Bob: Exactly. Preventing middle and low income people from working is NOT representing the 99%.

The only people that these OWS idiots are hurting with this stupid action is the longshoremen and truck drivers who are not going to get paid for the day because of the shutdown. A one day delay in getting goods delivered is not going to have any major impact on businesses. The middle class, blue collar employees that work at the ports, however, are definitely going to be hurt by losing a day's pay, particularly right at the start of the holiday season. These workers are not on salaries, they are hourly employees and if they do not work, they do not get paid. These OWS protesters are just a bunch of people with their hands out waiting for the nanny state to take care of them. Well guess what, life does not work that way. No one is guaranteed the American Dream, the only thing that is guaranteed is the right to pursue that dream through your own hard work and ambition. No one owes you anything except your right to live free and pursue your own dreams, so long as you do not infringe on others rights in doing so. No one owes you a house, no one owes you a job, no one owes you a college education. These are all things you must work for to get. Most of the rich got that way through their own hard work, perseverance, and sacrifice; they did not have it handed to them. Granted, some inherited their wealth, but somewhere along the line someone in their family worked to generate that wealth, it did not magically appear. Try reading about the sacrifices that some of the founders of big companies made to get their business started. Many of them barely scraped by for long periods of time while pursuing their dreams until the hard work started to pay off. You have no right to share in their wealth or demand that they give you some of that money unless you do something to earn it from them. No one is going to forgive your student loans because you spent $50,000 majoring in art history and can't find a job. Why should those of us who studied subjects that actually had a career path attached to them and put in all the work now support you because you made a bad choice and took a easy fluff major so you could party all through school. This entitlement attitude needs to end. People need to get used to taking care of themselves again instead of looking to the government to take care of them.

What would one expect ? The OWS has no leadership since Mr. Ex-SEIU Lerner is failing to show up at any "protest".

These folks are becoming nothing more than PESKY FLYs.

If any of you right wing nut jobs bothered to read the article you'd realize they were targeting the docks owned by Goldman Sachs. So they were attacking a bank, not workers.

Dangerous Mind,

The Right Wing's mantra is, "I've already made my mind up, don't confuse me with the facts."

Waa! Waa! ... My mommy told me I'm a prince (princess) ... "I want what they have ... why can't I have what they have?" That man told me I have to work ... that's not fair ...

I call it "Spoiled Kid Syndrome"

The trouble is the I-Phone they use to tweet their friends probably came in to the same ports these kids are stinking up with their prescence (Oh, I'm sorry ... protesting)

Oh the irony ...

Dangerous- Does that make the workers " collateral damage"?

ruf; Goldman loses one million a day if the dock is shut down. If the dock has 200 employees (which it doesn't have nearly that amount) and they make $20 an hour - it is only $32,000 the workers lose....very effective protest if you ask me. I worked in Northwest cold and rain for 20 years - I'd gladly go home...or just call in sick and still get paid.

You guys who say the protests should only be at Washington DC, will never get what and who ruined our economy. It's the same narrow thinking that thinks you should be able to replace oil with just one resource - it is going to take all of our knowledge and ingenuity to prosper in the future...but then you guys are anti progress...so unplug your computer and gather some sticks for your cave fire.

OWS is great as long as we don’t include any of the benefits were looking for, going to the losers who don’t get it.

We will just label these losers and turn them over the 1% to get bent over a barrel with out the benefit of Vaseline.

That’s what they want, that’s what they will get.

You people are unbelievable.

You have criminals ripping your income from under your noses and you like it. That is what is more depressing. Knowing millions are off their butts and actively seeking a method to hinder the richest of society from pulling the rest of what's left of income in this country - and you spout uneducated, random stereotypical slander at all of them.

These are educated, degree carrying individuals with many seeking degrees who have felt the turn of income so bad it has waken them up - while you continue feeding the daily grind money machine. Either you are blind, brainless or just don't care what goes on to anyone else on this planet but those in you own immediate circle.

People are homeless, they are jobless, they are unable to afford food - and you still badmouth them because you still hold employment and think you life is so special because you buy into their bull.

This nation has changed - and not for the better. If you'd look deeper into what this country is supposed to be, you actually see how oppressed everyone has been for years - forced into submission through large debt, low income trying to survive the high prices as they continue to increase.

Your bashing ignorance is proof you either care nothing for humanity or you have so much money you don't feel you need to care.

The only way this will change is if prices drop so everyone can afford to eat, jobs fully return so everyone lives decently - or prices continue until they swallow even your own income as the richest have shown they purely do not care since they are still raking in their wealth... from your work and your spending on even higher prices as they raise daily.

OWS is causing yours or anyone elses problems - they are doing what is necessary to get the wrong people out of position so all the nation can have better living. Your voting hasn't done it in 40 years yet you continue as if nothing is wrong in this country.

You may be able to live comfortable, but the rest are unable to at low paid wages. Not everyone makes $50,000.00 a year and even at that getting by is very difficult for most.

Rather than fight for higher pay, higher paying jobs - why don't you join the fight to force the prices down to a more liveable cost???

If this doesn't stop soon - you willl feel it, and it won't be coming from OWS protests you can be sure of that. Listen to the people of the nation and around the world. Imbalance has taken its toll and your bashing those working to make changes is not going to fix a thing.

You either stand up for all... or you go down yourself eventually and it will happen, the richest are in charge and they only seek to take even more... they don't plan on stopping.

Drainbramage- when the workers lose a lot of money that's an effective protest. I don't see it that way. I'm sorry you do.

Not true.

The media did an awesome job sweeping the story about them taking over the forclosed home in NY under the rug.

Im guessing that the backlash from hard working Americans has probably changed the life of that couple who are only 30 years old but have been living in a homeless shelter for a decade. And popped out two kids to boot. And it probably hasn't changed in a good way either.

That's a pretty dumb thing to say Raisa Ivanova. Start that kind of crap and you better be prepared because there are many on the opposite side who have very recent training with long distance target practice. You sure you want to go there?

@Raisa and the lib moderators

funny..once again a liberal is allowed to violate the COH with no repurcussions...interesting

I think Raisa is a conservative and you can't understand what is being said. How is the fox? Blank is the correct name.

I believe OWS can take that comment from Raisa as - 'WINNING"!

You showed your true self there... now you know what, who and why they fight - those who think just as you do. Kill off the entire working class and guess who ACTUALLY has to start doing the work???

You think you'll force other nation's workers to do it for you?

The rich are scared. They refuse to allow truth to flow. They force your news media to keep their mouths shut and only report what they believe will 'discredit' the protesters... we don't expect them to stand up, they been taking it laying down for so long they apparently enjoy it. The rich will pull their paychecks from them to. Once they establish even more in the other countrys, they won't need anyone from this continent.

If you don't stop the rich now.. it will be too late for all of you.

Ah, the voice of a corporate apologist. I can hear it now - "Don't make me eliminate your job, get to work." Apologists always blame the victim ...

The protest is NOT about economics and 'damage' to the economy is unimportant. I realize the corporate apologists will use the protest to increase their profits - but - keep eliminating jobs and the 'job eliminators' will also be eliminated ...

I agree, Peter. These protestors are extremely ill-informed about the nature of the trucking industry. Funny, the article didn't include a quote from one of the driver's about this, despite the fact that the OWS movement has apparently chosen to fight for all truckers today.

Perhaps that's because most truck drivers that work as independent contractors are quite happy to do so. They get to own their own trucks, call their own shots and hire their own help. Most operate as their own small business on wheels and they are proud to do so. I work in the trucking industry and the only gripes I've heard recently (besides the economic slowdown) is an abundance of paperwork and fees resulting from the current regulatory environment.

America has a middle class?

If all of you out there who think the OWS protesters are idiots for targeting ports had political science degrees, you'd understand why they are doing it, and that it has nothing to do with lack of intelligence.

America has a middle class. That's whose retirement Obama keeps stealing from with his payroll tax reduction.

lil anomie

Please in form us. Enlighten us with your wisdom.

Ok, lil, since you are SO smart with your political science degree, please tell me how this protest is going to effect change in Washington. If you could grace us with your genius for just a moment longer, I'd also like to know why OWS chose truck drivers to be the cause du jour?

Lil..They don't even know what they want, so how can anyone else be expected to understand? One day it's one thing, next day it's something else. If OWS had some leadership specifying what they are all about then maybe they might get some recognition from someone other than the Media who always like freak shows. They are entertainment. Nothing more.

@ Janine-1645002:

I agree, what they lack is direction and a message. It appears that they want change in the way our government is operating, which I think most Americans agree is needed, but they have no idea what specifically they want changed or how to get there.

If you agree that we need some systemic changes so that our politicians again begin to focus on the needs and desires of the majority of Americans and what is best for America in general, then I encourage you to check out the American Overhaul Act at www.americanoverhaulact.org. This Act is a set of proposed Constitutional amendments that are designed to do just that.

The amendments focus on six areas: Congressional term limits, federal campaign finance reform, Congressional size limits, Congressional compensation, the elimination of political party favoritism, and federal budget-deficit reform.

Please check it out and, if you agree with these proposals, show your support for the Act and share it with your friends, family, and state and federal elected representatives. That is the only way that we can make a positive impact on the future of our nation.

Here is a direct message........ do you not see a problem with them putting a tent over peaceful people??

You don't have to agree with the protesters but the force being used against them around our Country is startling....Our government is warning other countries to respect peaceful protests yet this is happening here....

Full video of the action taken against these people who are peaceful!!!! Civil disobedience is a misdemeanor....Wake up people this is wrong!!

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19108308

hahaha...NermL is the new spokesman for the "laziness , entitlement apologists"!...congratulations!

I see the unwitting lackeys of the one-tenth of the 1% are out in force.

Anyone interested in the plight of port truck drivers can read what four of them chosen by their peers, have to say to the public, directly, in a signed, open letter, right here ...

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/747410/an_open_letter_from_america%27s_port_truck_drivers_on_occupy_the_ports/#paragraph6

@ Jeff...I read this earlier today....it speaks volumes..Thanks for the share

You have so much to teach them about realpolitik and agitprop from your sofa, Bourgie-moralist.

PH.. maybe you need to talk to a lot more truckers. Guess you're too busy counting your money to take time out to listen to those allowing you to make it. They are struggling, they are being forced into submission - all under the knowledge if they don't, they'll lose their job, and the truck they've been paying for for a number of years.

They are as upset.. they keep driving for there hasn't been anything else to do... but they DO see the distruction the corporations have been causing and truckers are NOT as happy as you would like to think. Maybe you should make the runs they make and go through the daily punishment they endure..... before you can understand what they go through or how they feel.

The sleezebags sit back watching the stocks - as the true workers try to make a living. THAT is going to change too!

First of all Harbek, take your sleazy insults somewhere else. As much as I would like to spend all day and night sitting back and counting my money, I have a job to do. Even if you had a point, you pretty much dilute it with your nonsensical rants.

And I can tell you don't work in trucking.

The issues that the trucking industry (my part of the industry anyway) is facing right now have little to do with what the OWS is proposing (union) - the problems we face in our business run much deeper than that and, yes, it has weeded out some of the weak links. That said, we've been on a driver hiring spree this year and I can tell you that it's hard to find good drivers. Perhaps if some people could go through life without getting arrested, getting a DUI and/or taking drugs, the industry would be a little stronger. Like anything in life, driver's who aren't at the top of their safety game are not going to pull down the income that good drivers will.

But, don't take it from me. Ill just walk out to the back of my office and speak to the 15 drivers out there lining up for their jobs today...

....yep, just as I thought, none of them want to give up their independence to join a union.

Let me make this very clear to you. Most truckers have no interest in being a part of a union. Most truckers want to own their own trucks, because that's where the money and the pride is. This move to try and fight for independent contractors who would prefer to stay independent is bull and anyone who knows anything knows it.

ture that PH !...all of it...some people still take pride in their own individual abilities and accomplishments...but getting fewer and further between...they need to make sure that they press for "right to work" in their states

Why do you end every sentence with heh heh? Is this supposed to be your signature statement? You've been "watching this grow for 40 years" and still write like a teenager?

@ soazDan - Exactly. The "heh heh" is just annoying.

I think canoworms has a certain appealing literary style...heh heh.

Jessi, my guess is he means it to be annoying which I find amusing in a way. It seems to be a typical liberal tactic, they rally for change and how will they accomplish that change? By annoying people who disagree with them vs winning people over with a rational debate. But using rational, OWS and someone who calls himself canoworms in the same sentence is obviously an oxymoron.

Jason:I think canoworms has a certain appealing literary style...heh heh.

Yes using heh-heh at the end of each sentence as a form of punctuation is appealing. That's a real expression of his wit and intelligence...(I hope you can recognize sarcasm.....)

You put yourself in debt nobody forced you.

Heh Heh is how Beavis and Butthead end every sentence.. So I guess he is of the same intellect.

His IQ is probably lower.

Cliff, I couldn't agree with you more. Also, how about actors getting hundreds of thousands per episode.

Crazsonp>

Amen, bro! Funny nobody ever protests against the entertainment industry, which includes sports.These people get millions for producing exactly nothing. Of course, most Hollywood types would back OWS and OWS would not grasp the irony.

yeah, i download pirated videos and MP3s to spite the overpaid actors and artists...

The difference between Actors/Athletes are that they worked their asses off to get where they're at with no guarantees that they would ever make it, these idiots feel they are entitled to a high paying job for a liberal arts degree.. It dosent work that way and should not, a degree is a good start but still no guarentee... if you cant find a job maybe look into a new career which is showing demand in this country... or maybe keep looking and stop camping out in parks.

The more the cops crack down on occupy demonstrators the more America begins to looks like Syria.

Maybe they don't protest entertainers because they're not idiots who misplace their anger for a banking scandal on actors and sports figures.

It takes a true moron to think the housing scandal / banking scandal had anything to do with anyone in the entertainment industry.

That's why OWS is occupying a port to impact Goldman Sachs' profits while you right wing trolls are shilling here for the 1% and attacking American arts and culture.

What a smart idea. Like the starving children in Africa, they should just get food!

Hell, we should just FIX THE ECONOMY!! While we're at it, let's fix Europe's economy too! Does randy not realize that when an economy does worse people WILL lose jobs whether they work their ass off or not?

The peasents have no bread? Well, let them eat cake!

Ahh, but protesting en masse against those who are attempting to earn a living does what, exactly? Does this protesting create jobs? Does it make a better economy? Does it make the evil capitalists want to do business here? The communist Chinese offer more and better business advantages than our so-called free market system over here does. So far the protests have emboldened the academics, viva la revolucion and all that but creating reforms? Nope. Then again, what exactly do they want by way of reforms? Seems the goal is for the businesses to exist to provide support for the workers rather than make a profit or succeed as a business. Essentially it seems that what is desired is cradle to grave welfare and business is there to fulfil that role, rather like the government.

OWS defined.

"It's a group that encapsulates basically everything that is wrong with society," King said.

I can't afford to move to China.

"You are going to lose and we are going to win... because of the way you think" once described the problem by a Japanese auto executive as to why Americans had to build better cars.

I think OWS is going to lose for the same reason. They THINK that "complaining without creating something is better than CHANGING THEMSELVES as their strategy that best provides for their future.

That is why I have never feared losing my job to someone younger... most simply don't have the ability to focus, be accountable for failure, and believe that hard work is the sole benefit of a long term strategy that doesn't care what "other people have". Poor fools.

Maybe there aren't any partly since half of Congress is blocking any improvements on the economy. And their only voice in this country, since they don't have wealth (aren't in the top 10 or 1 percent) is to protest under the 1st Amendment. And if they looked for a job and got one, their argument would never be heard by anyone like it is being heard now. And maybe they want high paying jobs that are only given to those born with wealth or lucky enough to get it.

AKRandy
Why don't they use all this energy they have to GET A JOB!!!

You're right.

Where do you live? If you throw your address out here, I'm sure we could organize a few of these protesters to just live with you while they get all those jobs available in your hometown. It should be easy for them so they should only be staying with you for a month or two in order to recover financially from the move.

How many living wage job openings do you have available where you live?

Happy days, only Chile, Mexico, & Turkey to beat and then the grand old U.S. is #1 in the world for income gap disparity. Woot, woot.

Stumpy, I think you missed Larry's point.

If the ports were disrupted by individuals from a terrorist organization, you better believe we'd have a response. The fact that these are intentional disruptions make the organizers no different- yet the government is silent.

The government is too ignorant to understand that the frustration is at all of them, not just half of them. As such, both sides are hoping that these protests swing voters their way at the voting booth.

If a terrorist organization walked into a grocery store...

tambo-3087517

Stumpy, I think you missed Larry's point.

My apologies, I accidentally hit the wrong "Reply" button & replied to Larry, rather than AKRandy.

tambo - "As such, both sides are hoping that these protests swing voters their way at the voting booth."

Really, both sides?

It was Democrats who refused to cut vote-buying "entitlement" spending during debt-ceiling negotiations. It is Democrats who are suing Americans for protecting their borders. It is Democrats who are against identifying voters.

There is only one party that kicks American workers into the ditch while pushing to spend their tax dollars on the votes of anyone willing to sell.

Essentially the shippers have said " we don't need all your people so send home 150 and we'll keep 50" In other words, we don't need you. While the shippers can't continue with that game, neither can the unions. The first time occupiers try to stop the day shift ( thousands of workers ) from going in, the unions are going to have to make a decision. Either control their own job actions or let the occupy movement do it. Then the city, the ports and the unions may be of one mind.

"There is only one party that kicks American workers into the ditch while pushing to spend their tax dollars on the votes of anyone willing to sell."

LOOOL! you sir are an idiot.

Who told you to think that? Care to read what the port truck drivers have to say about the Occupation? I doubt it. It might take you off the message that your masters in the 1% have fed to you, through FOX, CNN, etc. Here's is what the port truck drivers have to say, anyway ...

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/747410/an_open_letter_from_america%27s_port_truck_drivers_on_occupy_the_ports/#paragraph6

My husband and I have a small independent trucking company. He drives I do paperwork etc..JEff you have no idea what ALL truck drivers have to say about the occupation.

Like the government and corporations they hate so much, they do not put people first. They put their agenda first.

Jeff gets his "facts" from Alternet, the liberal fantasy rag. Move along, nothing to see here.

Exactly Aldo. Well put. Considering over 70% of all American workers are not represented by any union, it's hard to say how these folks can be making any credible claim to represent the 99%.

The Unions are already Communists the OWS does not need to change them. Also the OWS is the lower 1%.

They protect the Unions because the Unions are also anti-corporation. It's the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen.

Makes a great deal of sense, since the Unions are strongly supporting the fiasco. I came across someone that is involved in the OWS recently. He is a staunch conservative but looks like he could be an anarchist. He came across the OWS crowd one day while out and about and decided to find out what was going on. After weeks of watching and listening he's still wondering. He noticed that food shows up on a regular basis and, if anyone is arrested, bail is posted quickly. There's no question there is a lot of money and power behind this movement. It's definitely not the "common man" pushing this.

Unions=Made in USA (at least that what is used to mean)

Remember "look for the made in USA label"

"Independent" truckers. That is corporatist-speak for slaves. Here is what those "independent" truckers have to say about their situation. WARNING: It does not back-up the propaganda that you are spewing, so best to avoid reading their words if you can't accept reality:

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/747410/an_open_letter_from_america%27s_port_truck_drivers_on_occupy_the_ports/#paragraph6

Words of the truckers ...

"There are no restrooms for drivers. We keep empty bottles in our cabs. Plastic bags too. We feel like dogs. An Oakland driver was recently banned from the terminal because he was spied relieving himself behind a container. Neither the port, nor the terminal operators or anyone in the industry thinks it is their responsibility to provide humane and hygienic facilities for us. It is absolutely horrible for drivers who are women, who risk infection when they try to hold it until they can find a place to go."

That isn't the only abuse of the port drivers. Go read their words for yourself ...

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/747410/an_open_letter_from_america%27s_port_truck_drivers_on_occupy_the_ports/#paragraph6

And when you are slowed down by a picket line it must be really hell for the women that have to hold it longer.

You miss the point. There aren't enough jobs..do you really believe the millions of people who have lost their jobs are just lazy good for nothings?

There are jobs out there, It may not be what they won't, but there are plenty of jobs out there.

If you don't understand what Occupy is all about by now, you never will......

Tell us, because every time I look up its something different....

Carolyn, it's not that there aren't enough jobs, there's just too many people. There's been unsustainable population growth within the U.S. In the last century (1900 – 2000) the U.S. population more than tripled growing by more than 205 million people. Currently the U.S. population is around 311 million people and conservative projections, based upon current policies, are that by 2050 the U.S. population will explode to more than 439 million people. It is the equivalent of 48 more cities in the U.S. the size of Chicago.

Tritam: If you don't understand what Occupy is all about by now, you never will......

I'm guessing that alot of the protesters themselves never will understand what it's about either, because every one of them I see get on camera for the news says it's about something different than the one before.

People used to take whatever jobs they could find, whatever it took to support their families. They would uproot their entire families to move cross country in search of work. Now, instead, we hold out for jobs that pay as much as we believe our time is worth. The HR department at my work has had folks (in interviews) say "I've got 6 more weeks on my unemployment, can I start in 6 weeks?" Others have asked if they can get paid 'under the table', so that they can keep receiving their unemployment benefits. I wish I could say those are isolated instances, but we see them occuring in probably 20% of our potential hirees. We have become spoiled, soft, and our work ethic as a nation is in decline.

Not enough Jobs? Have you read the want ads lately? If you are willing to do actual work or take a little less or work out of your career field there are plenty of jobs.

There's plenty of jobs but they require useful skills. Liberal arts degrees are for the idle rich cuz they dont really have to work anyway.

"There are jobs out there, It may not be what they won't, but there are plenty of jobs out there."

Great let's all just work at McDonalds till this whole economy issue blows over. That should do it. Well, not if I had a few kids and a degree for a job i just got let go from. idk if mcds can cover that. If i had time to get another degree i suppose id have a decent job again, but since there's kids to take care of then... well damnit.

Brain Picker, i suppose i could ask for some money.... or you could help direct the economy to a strong middle class again. Not to worry though because at this rate of economic decline, i dont think people will ask nicely for money eventually. Either way blowing off the economic situation by telling people to look elsewhere won't help the issue at hand forever. Im sure you have a job so screw everyone that doesn't right?

They could do the jobs that "Americans wont do".

Great let's all just work at McDonalds till this whole economy issue blows over. That should do it. Well, not if I had a few kids and a degree for a job i just got let go from. idk if mcds can cover that. If i had time to get another degree i suppose id have a decent job again, but since there's kids to take care of then... well damnit.

See, and this is the problem, all the people who look down their noses at the jobs that are available. Is working at McDonald's an ideal job? No. Is it a job? Yes. To say there are no jobs, then when jobs are pointed out, say, well, that job won't pay my bills, or I have a degree, so that job isn't good enough for me, is exactly what has got the rest of us so irritated at this whole movement. There are jobs out there, they may not be what you want, and they may not pay what you feel you are worth, but the jobs are their.

Unless China ups the value of their currency, or half of their billion+ population gets sucked in to a hole or disappears into the smog, those good manufacturing jobs just aren't coming back.

Yea that's the spirit take what you are given and stop complaining. After all, the fast food service industry has replaced the traditional manufacturing jobs. It's true, building a big mac now is equivalent to building a car back in the 70s and 80s. The pay and benefits are crap and it does nothing to create capitol for the country but once our financial system collapses you might be able to buy a house and support a couple of children thanks to deflation. But don't send them to school, it will still cost too much and McDonalds has their own training program, anyway education and reading is for fags.

All you people that keep saying the protesters should just go get a job at McDonald's are missing 2 important issues:

There are so many people applying for jobs at fast food restaurants that they can't begin to hire all the hundreds of people who apply. My son who had just gotten a BS degree was looking for any job available while he tried to get into his career field. He applied at every fast food chain around, and got no response from any of them, except Starbucks, who said he wasn't qualified to work there. He applied at a restaurant for a job as a busboy, and was told he wasn't qualified. And he even had prior work experience as a maintenance worker at a foundry, spent a summer working at a lumberyard, etc. while he was in college. Luckily he soon found work in his career field and works full time. The fact is there are SO MANY people looking for any kind of work, that fast food restaurants are overwhelmed with applicants.

The 2nd thing you need to understand is that OWS protesters are not just unemployed people fussing because they haven't gotten a job they like. Many of them are using vacation time from jobs, or are protesting after work, etc. because they see a problem in our society that needs attention. The corporate control of so many facets of our nation's political and economical sectors is a BIG problem that needs dealt with in a big way. Occupiers aren't just griping about their own problems- they are trying to make a point .

Corporations have focus and their management's performance is measured to make their actions accountable TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS. (That is what free market capitalism is about.)

If Corporations are influencing our government officials.. then KILL, ARREST OR VOTE OUT the official. Demand CHANGE by voting out candidates that think;

a) public service is a job that entitles them to LIFETIME HEALTH CARE, a PENSION, and all the money they can steal from their campaign funds.

b) sell their vote to special interest groups.... (Hint: Corporations)

This should be called "Occupy GOVERNMENT" but you idiots are focusing on the sympton and not the disease.

"See, and this is the problem, all the people who look down their noses at the jobs that are available. Is working at McDonald's an ideal job? No. Is it a job? Yes. To say there are no jobs, then when jobs are pointed out, say, well, that job won't pay my bills, or I have a degree, so that job isn't good enough for me, is exactly what has got the rest of us so irritated at this whole movement. There are jobs out there, they may not be what you want, and they may not pay what you feel you are worth, but the jobs are their."

natedom,did you happen to overlook something? Please pay attention to the actual situation of the post. Even if I got a job at mcds I'd still be screwed. Please post with a decent reply. If getting a job at mcds would fix my situation I WOULD WORK AT MCDS. To put it simply, even with a job at mcds id still be losing money i don't have. you people are so damn blind.

This civil rights movement was a national security issue too.

You're right Mike. It's being "allowed" or tolerated because they co-opted a labor action. The minute the unions are ready to disavow occupy it will be all about "national security". That could be very soon.

Get off your lazy boy and lead them Crazson.

Those people wiring money home are farmers that are doing so cuz they couldnt compete with govt subsidized crops being exported; so they have to come here to work for the farmers that caused them to have to come here. How's that for irony. We could cut down on a lot of the illegals by not exporting the subsidized crops or at least giving them guest worker visas so they can go home after the harvest.

PeanutGalleryTheater, calling it "irony" implies that it is accidental. Why do you suppose the government subsidizes agri-business? Who do you suppose benefits when cheap food crops flood foreign markets? Who do you suppose benefits when all of those foreign farmers can no longer compete, and flood into foreign cities in search of factory jobs? Hmmm. Who benefits from cheap labor, overseas?

If one does not understand the way things work, then one has not looked closely enough.

After you read this then see if you support them.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/

http://occupywallst.org/about/

OCCUPY this... LOSERS.

Maoism meets Greece. Nothing new. Maoism didn't even work in China and we all know how Greece and 55 year old retirement has worked.

I support the concept... what I do not support is the mindless anarchy that it's become.

You don't need to put them in jail just build a fence around them and they will be begging you to let them out, one at a time , one per day

When I was much younger, it was nice to see prisoners earning their keep. That was when they were outside doing cleanup work, in their pretty bright orange jump suits and leg irons. The police were there with their shotguns & German Shepherds to monitor their activities. Ah, the good old days.

Nowadays, those who try to be civil with others need to fear those who feel that they are owed everything without putting in the time and effort to learn the ropes and prove to the more experienced folks that they understand what is expected from them.

If we don't go back to our older ways, we will suffer the same fate of the ancient Roman Empires.

"Start throwing them all in jail. I don't care if they have to put 10 in one cell, find room for them all. If they want to do illegal stuff, put them where they belong."

Yeah! Do what they did to the bankers who looted our economy! Oh. Wait .... nothing happened to them. They got bonuses. Nevermind.

Can't throw 10 in one cell. That's a violation of the 8th Amendment. Know what that is? Ah, you probably don't care. The only rights that matters are yours, right?

Hehwood, isn't if funny how all these people ignore the fact that they were assaulting cops? If I go throw a brick at a cop, my *** is going to jail, but not these idiots.

Your premise seems to be that unions = 99%. OWS is not a union controlled movement.

Read the statement put out by the independent port truckers, here ...

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/747410/an_open_letter_from_america%27s_port_truck_drivers_on_occupy_the_ports/#paragraph6

Yes, OWS is not a union controlled movement... initially the unions saw OWS as a desperatly-needed recruiting opportunity and chance to get free publicity and shamelessly attempted to publicly align themselves with "the cause".

Once they realized that most Americans are as disgusted by OWS as they are by unions, the unions quickly became silent and went back to spending their members money purchasing Democrats.

atleast the unions buying democrats are for the middle class- better than corporations buying republicans to make themselves richer and unions and the middle class poorer

I am proud to see these citizens at the occupy protest; any coward can sit behind a computer and whine. These protesters present the best of the United States.

I am so glad that your proud of people who don't want the government to create laws and the environment to change, and that you think that by occupying a city square or stoping people from getting to work would help your cause! I think you should take you're cause to the white house where it should be heard by a weak Federal Government who has given your future away to illegal immigration and the welfare system that rewards people not to work.

In your studies, you will find that Corporations have created the jobs when the environment is suited for it. This administration has dropped the ball when it comes to working with them. Governments are only good at screwing things up. Private industry is where we will grow our economy. Go invent the next great system, like an Iphone or something worthwhile, contribute to the health, education and welfare of your neighbors instead of harming them. What your protesting is turning the American middle class against you!