Alabama could drop most of the law and still be effective! If they diligently audit each and every business and fine the heck out of those not in compliance, the illegals will be forced to leave for lack of jobs.

Also the contracts part of the law should be enhanced in that any company found hiring illegals through non-compliance of the law, will not be able to receive any state or municipal contracts for 6 months for the first offense, a year for the second, and blacklisted after that.

The law was not intended to round up the over 100,000 illegals in the state but rather to force them to move for lack of income and entitlements. Once they move they are the next state's problem and they would then have the choice of following suit and enforcing their own laws or be a sanctuary for all illegals self deporting from those states that do pass the laws.

Do you understand how Federal law works? The Justice department is well within its rights to send the letters that it did - this is also part of Federal law. It's interesting how you have a problem with Federal law, and yet claim to wish to see it upheld.

What I find hilarious is that all these "hug an illegal" groups and all these illegals advocates piss and moan because Alabama has passed this law and they want all their supporters to show up for a march or rally in the largest cities in the state and can't get more than 3 or 4 hundred people to show up, and most of them don't even live in the state.

They had a rally in Huntsville, really big turn out....... all of about 2 dozen people.

Gutierrez and his band of idiots came and only about 4 or 5 hundred people went to listen to their BS. There were more people at the BOAZ (very small city) Christmas Parade than went to that rally!

Press on Alabama and make the fed do its job!

Maybe the Feds should enforce the law instead of bullying a state for doing something the Feds won't.

This will alienate more voters. November 2012 can't get here soon enough.

Chicago politics rearing it's ugly head once AGAIN.

And pray tell, what exactly do you say the government is refusing to do to enforce the law? Something specific.

The fact that this administration has deported more illegals then any in the past seems to show that the Feds are working the problem. I would suppose that some of you would think that the harassment of a few legal immigrants or citizens is worth it. The government is warning not to violate a citizens rights. What is wrong with that? What ever happened to the principle that it is better to let 100 guilty go free then to incarcerate one innocent man.

They are NOT AND I REPEAT NOT citizens, sbenven.......what don't you undestand about being illegal?

It is truly disgusting that our federal government is devoting overwhelming resources to subvert its own laws and preventing states from enforcing federal law than JUST ENFORCING ITS OWN LAWS!

This effort to subvert immigration laws will assuredly backfire in Election 2012. Americans (including Democrats like me) WANT OUR LAWS ENFORCED!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

If they are deporting more illegal immigrants than ever before (which I doubt), all it tells me is that our border is still wide open. If the immigrants couldn't get into the US in the first place, then deportations would eventually drop to zero - mission accomplished. But first, we need to build the fence.

That's strange, Angelica. Whenever I ask what the government is "refusing" to do to enforce the law, I never seem to get an answer...

What ever happened to the principle that it is better to let 100 guilty go free then to incarcerate one innocent man.

In all honesty, that's a pretty stupid principle. One hundred guilty...what? Rapists? Murderers? Drug-runners? Child molesters? C'mon, now.

Toasty....I will answer you again......STOP THE BORDER CROSSINGS.....PERIOD. Not so strange afterall.

You do know that Alabama didn't mandate E-Verify for all employers- until this year? Do you know there are only 18 states that actually mandate E-Verify in some form? This is the only part of the State law that makes any sense. Fine the employers.

Which party is advocating for even lower taxes on corporations? Which party wants to perpetuate hiring illegal aliens and forgo receipt of taxable wages, safe working conditons and a minimum wage? Look to the GOP and the U.S.Chamber of Commerce. Would you come here if you couldn't get a job? Why isn't E-Verify a Federal Law?

The pilot program for E-Verify started in 1996 and was expanded to employers in all states in 2003. There are only 18 states that actually mandate E-Verify in some form and it only takes 72 hours between the Social Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security to determine if a prospective employee is a legal citizen.

Do you know what GOP organization has fought tooth and nail against E-Verify and have filed lawsuits against it? Why none other than the GOP led U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Now,who really wants to hold employers accountable?

Facts, get some here.

http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=13127

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/map-states-mandatory-e-verify-laws.html

Toasty --- It's useless to go around in circles with you. You ask utterly inane questions that an intellectually honest person could only construe as rhetorical. Suffice it to say that if the federal government would do its job there would not be over 12 Million ILLEGAL immigrants in the U.S. Further, if the federal government did its job by enforcing its own laws, once an ILLEGAL immigrant is apprehended, the government wouldn't release the individual. Further, the Obama Administration should NOT be requiring ADDITIONAL LAWBREAKING before it enforces its own laws.

Current federal law sets the number of immigrants at a limit of 700,000 per year. A circumvention of that Congressionally-mandated directive represents a subversion of federal law. In America, Congress passes legislation which must be (and was) signed by the President. Presidents do not have the legal authority to circumvent Congressional enactments.

For the record my buddy, who is a BPA, informed me that deports are down, however they are getting "record" numbers by counting those caught at the boarder as deported. This has never been done before until Janet Napolitano took over DHS. Pretty much they are cooking the books...

so..under obama, deportations are at an all time high. so naturally, if today's numbers arent high enough, you would have imagined that they wouldnt be enough before. as in, say, when the last guy was running things. where was arizona and alabama and all these backward states?

oh yes, they were shouting 4 more years.

sorry guys, enforcing immigration is not the responsibility of the state. states do not have the authority to authorize or deauthorize foreigners from being in the US, and thus do not have the authority to enforce it, whether the person in question is here legally or not. L2 read the constitution.

Cynthia,

You do know that Alabama has been controlled by the Dems and the teacher's union until the last election. First time the Reps had control since reconstruction. Which is why it wasn't until now that E-Verify is being used, probably because the Dems didnt want to run out a pro-Dem voting bloc.

Politics is politics.

Enough of the fed trampling the states rights to defend its laws. We need a Constitutionalist as President. How much longer can we let this go on. Please look at Ron Paul. He has the only solid voting record as a constitutionalist and has not been swayed with bribes of easy money. We gotta start choosing our candidates closer and start voting in the Primaries. Only 8% of us voted in the last primary and that vote was divided by all the candidates so a 2% vote puts the winner of each party on top. That's horrible. The delegate votes that are powerful are even worse. Only 2 countrymen from my district showed last time. How is that taking our country back? Its time we all start thinking Constitution and its time we enforce it by our participation and vote.

Anyone who lives in a heavily Hispanic neighborhood of NYC knows that when you walk out on the street it is like being transported to Mexico - the squalor; the chaotic flea market mentality of anything goes if you can set up a card table and stack junk - usually made in China - on it in the hope that someone will happen along.

Do these "entrepreneurs" pay sales tax on the items they sell - oh yeah, of course - IN YOUR DREAMS! Do they have business licenses? Do they care about learning to speak English; really care about America or becoming Americans? Not EVEN in your Dreams.

They are here here doing what they are doing because of one thing - money - and we have a President and an administration supporting him who really, truly doesn't give a damn about America as much as he does getting re-elected and is willing to sell the integrity and national character of America as a separate and distinct nation down the river so that he can get another four years to continue to screw up the country to an even greater degree than his unparalleled incomptence and lack of qualifications to do the job have thus far enabled him to screw it up.

By the way, the term "... to sell down the river" originated during the times of slavery in America when it was not uncommon for a slave owner to sell a husband or wife or their child "down the river" to another plantation owner; after all they were not truly human, but property to be sold and dispensed with like a cow or a horse might be today.

Ironic that a black man should be selling America down the river - of all people. We need change we can truly count on in Washington - not someone who has the best ideas (that anyone has ever let put in a someone else's mouth - by other people they were allowing to do their thinking for them, rather than really knowing on their own what is right or wrong) albeit though, one must admit, he does spout other peoples' ideas in the most lovely lawyerly, silver tongued style; to the point it almost makes what he says seem believeable.

I have an Idea that might get the feds to listen. Sence we have a lame bunch of lawmakewrs any way start a recall petition in every state in the us to recall all the senators and congressmen. The people want the illegals out so bad that they even pass laws tring to rid there states of the burden created by the illegals. Then recall the deft ears in Washington, and I bet action will begin to happen faster that a lobbist can write a donation check.

Well, if Obama admin can't stop them through the court, he may as well resort to arm twisting and threats....

In one the feds are putting the pressure on Alabama for doing their job (immigration law), and on the other hand cracking down on states with legal medical marijuana dispensaries via the DEA. Our federal government needs to be overhauled, they have absolutely no regard for states rights.

Sbenven said:

The government is warning not to violate a citizens rights. What is wrong with that? What ever happened to the principle that it is better to let 100 guilty go free then to incarcerate one innocent man.

GCal said:

They are NOT AND I REPEAT NOT citizens, sbenven.......what don't you undestand about being illegal?

It's actually more than one innocent, they are detaining, harassing, and deporting legal US citizens in their haste to 'deport all ilegals'. See the below cases. Do a google search on the names--I can't get links to stick.

Rennison Castillo, a Washington state man who was born in Belize but took his oath of citizenship while serving in the U.S. Army in 1998, spent seven months in an ICE prison in 2006. Castillo, 33, of Lakewood, came to the United States at age 6 and later became a permanent lawful resident. He was sworn in as a citizen during his seven-year stint in the Army, which ended with his honorable discharge in 2003.

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

The son of a decorated Vietnam veteran, Hector Veloz is a U.S. citizen, but in 2007 immigration officials mistook him for an illegal immigrant and locked him in an Arizona prison for 13 months. Veloz had to prove his citizenship from behind bars. An aunt helped him track down his father's birth certificate and his own, his parents' marriage certificate, his father's school, military and Social Security records. After nine months, a judge determined that he was a citizen, but immigration authorities appealed the decision. He was detained for five more months before he found legal help and a judge ordered his case dropped.

Mr. Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.

So GCal, not all the people ICE has deemed 'illegal' actually ARE illegal. Most people would agree that anyone who's served honorably in our military has earned the right not to be treated this way; especially in Mr. Hector Veloz's and George Ibarra's cases, where judges ruled that they proved they are citizens and ICE continued to hold them anyway. Indefinite detention without trial or charge is a clear violation of constitutional rights.

Oh, and now the Senate and the House passed the NDAA act that makes this applicable now to everyone, even American citizens on home soil. If you're suspected of supporting or aiding terrorists or committing an act of domestic terrorisn like stockpiling food or 'spreading the enemy's narrative' (i.e. distributing written material that runs counter to the US and it's allies' military interests) you can be arrested by the US military and held in military prison indefinitely without trial, charge, or lawyer. Google NDAA.

sbenven..."The fact that this administration has deported more illegals then any in the past seems to show that the Feds are working the problem."

I seriously hope you are not naive enough to believe that the few illegals being deported is anything but smoke and mirrors. If you add together all the deportations all the administrations have done in the past 25 years, it doesn't amount to anything compared to the 10-12 million illegals in the country.

If the Feds were anything close to serious about illegal immigration, they would start fining and jailing those who employee them. Soon no one would hire an illegal and they would all self-deport. And stop coming here in the first place as there would be no incentive.

Health warning: Don't hold your breath waiting for the Feds to do anything substantial.

Amanda, I'm not sure what your point is in posting that some mistakes have been made while enforcing immigration laws. Is it that we should stop enforcing the laws until we are certain no mistakes will been made? I certainly hope that's not your premise, because that would be like saying we should stop arresting murder suspects because the wrong person has been arrested in the past.

@ Amanda - All those cases were federal cases. It sounds like they need to send that letter to themselves. On the other hand maybe it's time the states took that job over. The feds seem to try to pass the buck and are trampling the rights of US citizens to boot. Let's take it out of their hands. Let them all move to the sanctuary states that apparently want them and away from the states that don't. Everyone's happy.

@ sbenven -

The fact that this administration has deported more illegals then any in the past seems to show that the Feds are working the problem.

Sorry but that statistic has been shown to be misleading. The increase in deportations has is because of INS check points. In an interview Obama lamented the fact that he couldn't do anything about those. In that interview, he took no credit for the increase and explained that he couldn't do anything about captures and deportations of people from the boarder patrol. He has actually cut down the number of people deported that have made it past the boarder patrol's jurisdiction.

They are ILLEGALS if the federal government won't do their job then thankfully a few states will.

If the federal government wants to just open our borders to any and everyone they need to come out and say it instead of being so passive/aggresive. Then we (all the unemployed, debt ridden, we the people) will deal with it.

Another crap thing from a crap two party system that's slowly promoting our spiral down to third world country status.

The fact that this administration has deported more illegals then any in the past seems to show that the Feds are working the problem.

REALLY??? People keep saying that, but offer no proof - and personally, I don't believe it! Seems to me Obama is more interested in the Hispanic vote than MY vote, well I hope the Hispanics serve him well - why don't the Feds just throw the doors open and let 'em all in??? They are so worried about illegal's rights, what about MY rights??? He doesn't seem to care about THAT, TSA anyone???

HS321 said:

Amanda, I'm not sure what your point is in posting that some mistakes have been made while enforcing immigration laws.

My point is that in their haste to 'deport all illegals' ICE is ignoring citizens' rights. The US Supreme Court and the Justice Department say that ICE has to let somene go after they prove citizenship, and keeping them detained after that ruling tramples on the righs of citizens like Mr. Veloz, and Mr. Ibarra. And in cases like Ms McKnight's, the haste to deport led the ICE official to a clearly erroneous conclusion that her birth certificate and passport were fraudulent. The system needs reform.

Gneisenau said:

All those cases were federal cases. It sounds like they need to send that letter to themselves.

That I will agree with completely. They need to be more careful and they need to stop operating under the assumption of 'guilty until proven innocent'--our whole legal systems is built on 'innocent until proven guilty.' Before we can start talking system reform we need to change the way ICE looks at 'illegals'. And the American public needs to understand that not everyone ICE says is 'illegal' actually is illegal.

What a suprise, the federal government threatening to withhold funds from a state trying to do what the feds won't. The classic response anytime someone challenges them, going after the pocket book.

I seen the same threats go out to states who didn't want to lower the drunk driving limit.

These are just a few examples of what happens to those who depend on the fed govt. If you aren't self sufficient, they'll always be able to hold the money over your head. Do it or else. What's usually going to happen ? Who's going to give in first ?

sdpaulson: Do you want them to look into Bush's gun smuggling plot first? Just checking.

The government would not have had to use Fast & Furious, started under Bush Bin Lyin and his criminal gang, if Rick Perry and his right wing radical redneck cracked teanut NRA and gun manufacturer backed gun runners had not smuggled thousands of weapons into Mexico. Calderon may have a price out on Perry's head, so he won't be able to secede to Mexico.

bush shut down the flawed "gun walking" program.

...obama, apparently smarter than bush, decided to start up the gun walker program.

yep.

"The Justice Department has sent a letter to dozens of local law enforcement agencies in Alabama that receive federal money, warning them that they risk losing that funding"

Do what we say or you don't get your handout.... the Democrat way.

The financial cost, constitution, laws, common sense, etc... do not matter, only maintaining a dumb, easily manipulated, buy-able voting base matters.

The Justice Department = Obamas cats paw.

Making and breaking laws, or interpreting/enforcing them for liberal votes in the coming election.

And I'm not saying the conservatives are much better.

Stand tough Alabama.

Hows that produce picking coming along?

Lettuce $10 a head yet?

Hiring local whites working out for you?

Be careful of what you wish for, its coming true as we speak.

Chris

Nope lettuce is less than a dollar a head and one of the poultry plants in one county, after shedding over 120 illegals filled those jobs in less than a day with legal residents of the state. So yea working out just fine.

It is coming true and the illegals are leaving and having no effect on the economy of most Alabama citizens.

Chris.....another brainwashed member of the Party of Give Me Yours, It is Mine or the Party of No Clue. Or how about a member of the Fleabagger Party.....You know, like a flea lives off others.

And Verno.....still a Fleabagger living in the past and still trying to blame Bush for everything......

I'd rather pay $10 for lettuce than pay for the free medical, food stamps, welfare fraud, and car theft, etc. etc. These so called hard-working Mexican are helping the cartels set up their distribution networks so they can have their La Raza Chicano Nation.

Actually, compared to what we actually pay for their care, $10/head is a bargain...

Acts of Tyranny - The feds use coercion to subvert immigration enforcement !!!!

In effect, the feds illegally are dictating to the states how to apply their laws - Use Nullify/10th Amendment to resist this oppression !!!! Just ignore the feds…SAY NO !!!!

Michael Lockwood

Chris

Nope lettuce is less than a dollar a head and one of the poultry plants in one county, after shedding over 120 illegals filled those jobs in less than a day with legal residents of the state.

Best joke I heard all day.

Too bad for the reports in the news paper, they sell them in all of the states you know.

They report the true stories, and aside from Ohio welcoming any and all Hispanic workers especially from Al, [hard workers are hard to find] white people sign up and last a few hours and then quit.

Don't worry, prices will go up slowly but they will peak way above reasonable.

And aside from that, most states are boycotting foods from Al. any way. [in or out]

Ask AZ how their BS is coming along.

GCCal

Let me guess, red neck republican.

Cut off your nose just to spite your face. [1742Hawk]

Who could have guessed?

You don't have a clue and it shows.

Chris, there have been many studies on the economic impact of illegal aliens in the country. Do they cost more than they are worth to the economy or are they beneficial? It depends on what statistics one uses that determines the results, but overall the consensus is that there is little or no benefit to the economy. Consequently, ridding the country of illegal aliens would have no significant long term affect on the economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

Chris

I don't just read one article written by one idiot that works for one liberal media outlet and think that I might know a fact or two. Im from Arizona and I know for a fact lettuce prices didn't go up. I have family in Alabama and I know for a fact that tomato and potato prices didn't go up!.

In fact 15lb bag of russet potatoes in Alabama store right now is under $5. Tomatos in Alabama have stayed at $1.49 a pound for well over a year. Comparing those to several grocery specials in several different states shows that those prices are the same or cheaper than neighboring states that don't have the immigration law yet.

As for white people lasting a few days. The fact is most of the farmers in Alabama never tried to get legal residents to work.

You are the typical I read it and I believe it type that so many times is so uninformed about the facts.

Did you read or see the article about the poor Alabama pickle farmer that was afraid he wasn'tr going to get his crop picked? It was here on MSNBC and that Brian Williams show. If you didn't go read the story for yourself but then do a little research and you will find that the author and the 'poor farmer' also receives over $75k a year from the tax payers in subsidies. That is money above and beyond if he grows a crop or not!!!!!

You say all these articles in these newspapers are true..... okay how about the one where the legal immigrants in Alabama are unconcerned with the law!!!! How about the one in Texas where an illegal has run up over $1 mil. The same with the illegal in New York with over $1.5 mil in hospital bills. Or the illegals using dialysis in Georgia. How about the ones showing Obama's illegal aunt was drawing entitlements when she was told to get out of the country. How about the illegal uncle that just got a dwi.

I guess since those go against your views they can't be true. Maybe you should have said only the media outlets that share the most liberal of views only tell the truth.

Bottom line......Do some research and you will find the fact is none of the prices have or will go up and the time to give up the doom and gloom over your salad bowl is upon you. Please do a little checking beyond the articles so you won't sound so ignorant of the issues next time.

hs321

It depends on what statistics one uses that determines the results..........

Just the opposite is true, they don’t burden us down [or cost more than they benefit us] and they fill in a void Americans wont take up, and because they are illegal they keep their noses clean.

The contrary is hysterical ignorant tripe, worthy of our "low hanging fruit" and their ignorant remarks.

If they weren’t, politicians who are ALL about money and profit would have put an end to them decades ago.

Michael Lockwood

Rather than waste my time telling you all of the facts, Both states WILL feel the brunt of their decisions if they insist they have a clue.

I have read many reports about the subject and although its still early, if you persist, prices will go up and chit will hit the fan.

The feds will stomp the local courts and force the unconstitutional laws out of existence, as well as other states and their boycotts will kick in.

So enjoy the ignorance while you can.

There is nothing new here.

[Those who don't learn their History are doomed to repeat it]

Chris

If ignorance is bliss then you must be the happiest person in the world.

Prices aren't going up and if you had a clue about economics you would know that the cost of labor is very small and even if it was doubled would only cost a few extra pennies to the consumer.

The feds are reeling. They don't want this to go to the Supreme Court because they are afraid they will loose, and if you knew how to comprehend anything you might trying reading some of the Supreme Court decisions and know that the Fed already invited the states into the immigration picture.

They did it by passing 287g of the Immigration and Naturalization Act

They did it by implementing the Secure Communities programs

As for boycotts, damn are you really that unread. Look at Business week and its projections for the businesses that are lining up to get started in Alabama. For the next two years they are projecting over 10,000 direct high tech and auto manufacturing jobs. That is direct jobs too, that doesn't include the in-direct jobs that are created such as retail, and food service.

Pull your head out, get a fresh breath and actually do some research beyond the liberal rags that you are apparently reading and you will find the truth, instead of burying your head and living in total ignorance.

Keep dreaming, don’t read, that exactly how it hits you.

Head in the sand and history repeats it self while you pretend you had no idea or warning.

Bliss, is definitely you.

Its all just a scam, your safe, its never happens?

And don't forget, pigs can fly.

I believe you, millions don't, but I believe you.

Chris

Go back and sit down with your head up your 4th point of contact but be careful. If you sit down too hard you might break your neck with the current position of your head. You have proven you are clueless and not even worth talking to. Just an 'ignorant, hug an illegal, open borders, doom and gloom troll'

Michael Lockwood

Dain Brammage is a terrible thing to waste, so is the pin cushion you use to think with.

Ignore history at your own peril, and stop whining, its undignified.

Our melting pot is cooking our goose. Quote by the late Paul Harvey.

When you illegally invade someone's country you obviously have neither tolerance nor compassion... that's what happened to it.

"Look at those people, they are doing better than me... I'll just go live off them and have them raise my babies... and what I take from them I'll send back to MY country and I'll never even learn to speak their language."

Point out the tolerance and compassion to us Valerie?

Valerie

I think tolerance went out the window after the illegals got Amnesty in 86. Clinton didn't help it any when he added an additional few million.

With more than 11 million illegals in the country right now just how tolerant do you think the tax payers should be??????

Illegal is ILLEGAL. They have no civil rights. Do you think we should show compassion to bank robbers, too?

It sounds like Alabama is doing what they Should be doing.

They have civil rights. Which part of "illegal" don't you understand? They are still protected by our Constitution.

ok

Give them your wallet, house and your life savings Valerie. I'm keeping mine

Byron Raum

They have civil rights. Which part of "illegal" don't you understand? They are still protected by our Constitution

Please explain how an illegal, who is NOT a US citizen is covered by our Constitution? By your reasoning Canadian's should be able to come here and get gun carry permits, after all they are in this country and protected under our Constitution. Or maybe the Mexican drug cartels, no need to be a citizen.

Bottom line, if you are not a citizen, you are not entitled to any benefits in this country. You want benefits? You become a LEGAL citizen and then pay your way in taxes like the rest of us do.

Way to go Alabama, hold your ground. As to Obama and the DOJ, ask Vanna if you can buy a clue.

Disgusted...the problem is that we no longer have a melting pot. When you melt different ores together, you get a new metal with distinct properties from the original ingredients. What we have now is a salad bowl. The ingredients are all easily distinguishable and maintain their original characteristics.

Melting pot days are over. Diversity creates division. This is what is coming: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9uH4XgOmI

life 2 you are a moron !!!!!!!!!! if you think that all the violence in mexico is due to guns smuggled from the US most drug cartels buy there guns and weapons from arms dealers not small straw purchases. I have one question, why do they call them illegals ????????

Valerie,

JUDICIALWATCH.org

Mexican Gang Charged With Terrorizing Blacks
06/07/2011 - 3:54pm

To demonstrate its loyalty to the notoriously violent Mexican Mafia prison gang, an affiliate Latino street organization has worked to cleanse a southern California city of black residents by terrorizing, threatening and intimidating them.

Too long to read, get a life.

Casca..."They say it costs 120 million dollars to capture illegal aliens..."

The fallacy that the illegal alien issue cannot be tackled due to logistics, courts, etc. and associated costs is just that, a fallacy. Currently, many cities in northern Mexico are having problems taking care of the illegals coming back home because there are no jobs for them in the U.S. due to the economy. That's right. The illegals self-deported on their own because there was no job for them and consequently no incentive for the them to stay. Crossing have decreased as well for the same reason. The incentive for them to come here has drastically diminished.

It's blatantly obvious to anyone but the totally clueless that the problem can be resolved simply by destroying the incentive for them to be here. It's simple, start fining every single employer that hires an illegal. Once the word gets out that it is going to cost your business more than it can benefit from hiring an illegal, no one will hire them. There will no incentive for them to stay, and, more importantly, no incentive for them to come here in the first place.

What a crock!!!! "For 30 years employers followed hiring guidelines". What guidelines would those be? The "How to get illegals at the cheapest dollar work force so you can pocket as much as possible, while not passing the savings on to consumer" guidelines?

The whole business of the farmer's crops rotting in the fields or prices going up is also A crock. Most of the produce season had already come to an end before the law went into effect and prices have not gone up.

If legal immigrants fled it was only because they where harboring illegal family members.

The truth is the fed can't stand that this law is actually making illegals leave, and in the process doing part of their job for them. If anything Big Janet should be giving part of the DHS money to Arizona, Alabama, Georgia and every other state that has stepped up to try to get the illegals out of their states.

Funny thing about MSNBC is they won't publish the stories about the legal immigrants in Alabama that aren't afraid one bit about the law or its supposed effects on their quality of life or futures. The Vietnamese down around Mobile and the Muslim communities across the state didn't even blink.

The best parts of the law is e-verify and the no contracts for businesses from states and cities if they have illegals working for them. If Alabama got rid of the rest of the law and just kept this part. The DOJ wouldn't be able to say anything and the illegals would still be leaving in the same numbers they are now.

Cut off the jobs, and cut off any and all entitlements, audit businesses diligently and fine the hell out of those that are hiring illegals and that 100,000 to 180,000 illegals in the state of Alabama will be someone else's problem.

It would force the bordering states to follow suit and the illegals would be pushed into the few sanctuary states or forced to completely self deport.

As for the 'poor farmers' they know they can file the paperwork and have all the pickers brought in that they need but they are either too lazy or too greedy to do it.

Bottom line.E-verify works and if the Fed got off their duffs and mandated it nationwide and coupled it with 'No Match' then there would be no millions of illegals in the states and there would be no hundreds of thousands more trying to cross the border every year.

It would make immigration reform much easier and put several billion tax dollars back to where they belong instead of being spent on people that should not be here in the first place.

Hows it working out for you, nothing has changed, and nothing will.

Yeah they will toss you a bone and say see, we did something but life and illegals go on despite your bitching.

As it has always been, even when you wore diapers.

[even back to the 20s]

The 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. 2000 & 2010 are all the same, nothing has changed, nothing will.

They will toss you a bone and move on, then its back to business as usual.

Its called politics, and until YOU can actually change that lie, your peeing into the wind, mouth wide open.

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It is not true that the farmers can fill out the papers and get all the workers they want. It is a lie.

The only thing Illegals have done is taken up "Ohio’s welcome all Illegals” we will take all of Alabamians hard working Illegals, no papers asked.

Next,....Prices will go up when no one picks their next crop as seen already when locals this year took the jobs illegals had in Alabama, and quit after only half a day.

Talk is cheap, reality sucks, and Alabama keeps saying "bring it on"!

Don't forget to vote all remaining Democrats out in 2012 and 2014.

If Alabama wants to violate the constitution and infringe upon the federal government's jurisdiction, then the federal government shouldn't have to pay them to do it. Simple as that.

Alabama is not violating the constitution.

And what specifically do you say the federal government isn't doing to enforce the law? I'm looking for specifics here.

How about closing the border....is that specific enough for a Fleabagger to understand.

Uh, Cal? The border is closed. Why do you think we have a Border Patrol?

Then explain the hoard that is still crossing the border every hour on the hour. How is that closed? But I understand a true Fleabaggers argument.

So what do you propose they do that they aren't already doing?

Toasty........what do I propose.....STOPPED THE ILLEGAL CROSSINGS.......that is the job of the Federal Government, right? Anymore questions?

Wow, sounds like you've got it all figured out there big guy...so tell us exactly how you propose to "close" the border and stop all those bad ol illegals from crossing it because I'm sure the Border Patrol would love for you to share your wisdom with them on how to do it. Don't be afraid, speak up. You can even use small words so the conservatives on here will understand as well.

How about Obama's Aunt Zeituni who has been here illegally for over 8 years because she disobeyed the deportation order and for 8 years has been collecting welfare, subsidized housing etc...

Or how about Obama's uncle Onyanga who is also here illegally because he also refused his deportation order? We heard about him when he got his Second DUI while being here illegally.

Here's a question off subject, or is it? Obama and the Democrats are always talking about "redistributing the wealth" and everyone paying there "fair share" to help those less fortunate. Isn't Obama worth like 10 million dollars, has a 1.5 million dollar house in Chicago,etc. So why is his Aunt on Welfare and in subsidized housing and his Uncle working as a liquor store clerk?

Doesn't he think he should share his wealth to help his own family?

I guess that none of the teabags have watched the Border Patrol show. Not so easy to stop people from crossing, eh? Even the East Germans had a shoot to kill policy.... that didn't work either!

David Noah: Excellent comments on your post !

I find it ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING how "neither the State-Controlled media nor the Obama White House" almost NEVER even MENTIONS ANY of Obama's "Semitic Arab (and hardly Black) family members?"

Even when Obama took his family up to "Martha's Vineyard" earlier this year, neither his LAST SURVIVING Aunt or Uncle on his "Semitic-Arab (and hardly Black) father's side of the family" were INVITED ?

Hmm... seems "especially odd" since both that Aunt and that Uncle LIVE in Boston, Massachusetts?

I mean, "Couldn't SOMEONE have had them picked up on the way to Martha's Vineyard?" Maybe "let the Obama daughters spend some QUALITY time with THEIR Aunt and Uncle???"

Neither of these "paternal blood relatives" are "well off" and live at the poverty level, so "having a meal with their supposedly wonderful nephew" would certainly "seem like the RIGHT thing to do?" You don't suppose Obama is "keeping them out of public view on purpose do you?"

Regarding the Aunt's "illegal alien status"? Isn't it "equally STRANGE" that Obama, since the time he was just an Illinois State Senator up through today, hasn't made "a few calls" to FIX his Aunt's "immigration issue?" Like Dude, help out your Aunt! She's old and broke... why not help her out?"

Not only were they both SNUBBED... the only reason "the state-controlled media" even MENTIONED the Uncle is because he got a DUI and they couldn't keep it out of the headlines. But, AS FAST AS IT APPEARED... it SUDDENLY VANISHED from every "state controlled media website"... and I mean DISAPPEARED!!!

Always been lots of discussion about his Mother; her travel and marriages... but Amazing how NO ONE EVER says a word and NO ONE EVEN ASKS about the SEMITIC ARAB side" of his family.

And this moron wonders why his "immigration positions" fall on DEAF ears?

Toasty...what the Fed could do that they are not doing is get serious about dealing with the illegal alien issue.

It's blatantly obvious to anyone but the totally clueless that the problem can be resolved simply by destroying the incentive for them to be here. It's simple, start fining every single employer that hires an illegal. Once the word gets out that it is going to cost your business more than it can benefit from hiring an illegal, no one will hire them. There will no incentive for them to stay, and, more importantly, no incentive for them to come here in the first place.

If the members of Congress weren't the back pockets of business, this would already be happening. We have a representative republic. Unfortunately we elect our representatives to represent us, but they end up looking out for the best interest of the most powerful lobbies, which is businesses in the U.S. and abroad.

So what you guys are saying is that you want the border patrol to do its job better. That's hardly the same thing as "the federal government refusing to enforce the law."

Yep and this is exactly what has been happening in California, the home of Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer. And the result.......BROKE, BROKE, BROKE, BROKE........

And while you pound on Obama I want to know what Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H.W., Clinton AND George W. DID about it? Now stfu about Obama and support getting something done about this!

Now THIS is interesting. I ran across it accidentally this morning:

1965 Immigration Law Changed Face of America

by Jennifer Ludden

y the 1960s, Greeks, Poles, Portuguese and Italians were complaining that immigration quotas discriminated against them in favor of Western Europeans. The Democratic Party took up their cause, led by President John F. Kennedy. In a June 1963 speech to the American Committee on Italian Migration, Kennedy called the system of quotas in place back then " nearly intolerable."

After Kennedy's assassination, Congress passed, and President Lyndon Johnson, signed the Immigration and Naturalization Act. It leveled the immigration playing field, giving a nearly equal shot to newcomers from every corner of the world. The ceremony was held at the foot of the symbolically powerful Statue of Liberty. Yet President Johnson tried to downplay the law's significance.

Expert after expert testified before Congress that little would change. Secretary of State Dean Rusk repeatedly stressed that the number of new immigrants coming to the United States was not expected to skyrocket. What was really at stake, Rusk argued, was the principle of a more open immigration policy.

Karen Narasaki, who heads the Asian American Justice Center, finds the 1965 immigration overhaul all the more extraordinary because there's evidence it was not popular with the public.

"It was not what people were marching in the streets over in the 1960s," she says. "It was really a group of political elites who were trying to look into the future. And again, it was the issue of, 'Are we going to be true to what we say our values are?'"

The influx of refugees and of millions of illegal immigrants over the last several decades have certainly contributed to the United States' profound demographic transformation. But the chief driver of this change remains the system of family-based immigration put in place in 1965. Over time, in a process critics call "chain migration," entire families have re-established themselves in the United States. Historian Otis Graham thinks the policy has been a terrible mistake.

And Illegal is illegal......nice going Fleabagger

Alabama didn't violate the Constitution.

Fortunately for the rest of us, you don't get to decide that. Deciding the constitutionality of a law is for the courts to decide. This isn't the first time (by a long shot), and it won't be the last. It might be the first time you've paid attention, however.

Toasty McGrath

Sorry Alabama, but unconstitutional is unconstitutional. Perhaps you should keep that in mind when you make new laws from now on.

You keep saying Alabama violated the Constitution, care to explain how? Because they passed a law that steps on big brothers toes? Doesn't stop the FBI from stepping on state jurisdictions though does it...

Toasty has no clue what he is talking about he comes on and likes to troll but has nothing to offer in real discussion and when you press him he runs like a rabbit to the next discussion in hopes he won't be called on his BS!

That's exactly why, Ezer. And indeed, the FBI is improper whenever it does just that as well. Welcome to the world of Dual Federalism.

Really. These people would be to differ with you. They havent broken any laws either:

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

Blanca Catt, who at 19 still lives at home, wants to join the military. Instead she lives in fear she'll be deported. Catt, born in Mexico and smuggled into the U.S. as a toddler, was seized from abusive parents by the state of Oregon and placed into foster care with the Catts when she was 5 years old. The Catts adopted her three years later and said caseworkers told them their daughter automatically became a U.S. citizen.

That was not true. Now Catt is caught in a bind. Since she has turned 19, she faces tough penalties for being in the country illegally. Lisa Catt, Blanca's mother, is frustrated that state workers never completed the paperwork and then failed to tell Blanca's adoptive family of the omission.

Christopher Zambrano was biking near his home when one of several men in black clothes riding in an SUV ordered him to stop. As he got off his bicycle, Zambrano heard the man ask for his papers.“I said, ‘What do you mean papers?’ He said ‘ID.’ I told him I had nothing on me, not even a driver’s license, becuse I'm just riding a bike on the street near my home. Zambrano said he was a citizen, but the men who detained him refused to release him. They summoned a Miami-Dade police officer who then transported Zambrano to jail. Zambrano has a U.S. passport and a birth certificate issued in Atlanta, where he was born of a Guatemalan father and an Irish-Polish mother. However, he was not carrying those documents when he was detained because he didn't think they would stop him while riding his bicycle.

How is it racist? They specify undocumented workers......that includes all nationalities....but that's alright since you are member of the Fleabagger Party.

The Alabama law doesn't mention race (illegal alien is not a race).

kEITH

Read the law and tell us where it mentions any race. Funny how people with no real argument love to pull that worn out race card.

Michael - I don't guess you are as brown as I am, race doesn't mean anything to someone who has not experienced discrimination.

I do have an opinion and some case law behind my opinion. It is federal jurisdiction to enforce Immigration Law. The state of Alabama nor any other state has the right to write their own immigration law or to administer Federal law as they see fit.

Keith

I don't give a damn about the color of your skin. As for me I will say that my Grandfather was full blooded Apache so if you want to we can compare that color but again what does it matter.

Again show in the law where it mentions anything about brown people.

Answer this did Congress pass Article 287 g of the Immigration and Naturalization Act?

Did Congress start the secure communities program?

If you answer yes then you are admitting that the fed opened the door for the states to become involved in the administration of the laws as they pertain to illegals.

If you answer no then you are ignorant of the facts and need to go back and do some research.

Michael - like you, the facts don't make any difference in my opinion. You may as well argue with the wind. I will continue to do everything I can to help insure social justice for a people that have been chosen for the new scapegoats.

Keith

You are right since facts can't change your opinion nothing can so go do your thing and the rest of us will be doing ours to force the illegals to leave and get behind those that are trying to come here the legal way.

As for being chosen for the new scapegoats...... I think they brought that on themselves by thinking they should be rewarded for breaking the laws in the first place.

Have a good day!

Michael - I am glad we can finally agree on something.

Keith

You are right we can agree per my post above which you agreed on that you don't believe in facts and illegals, if they are a scapegoat, brought that status on themselves...... I totally agree. Good that we could end this conversation on a positive note. Have a nice day.

Mainly because the government is rampant in wasteful in spending. Overlapping spending, funding of projects which have absolutlely no benefit to you or I, slush funding. That is the reason we are against taxes, at least that is why I am against it. The money should be spent on the things than benefit the US taxpayer. Also, the federal government DOES NEED TO DO ITS JOB as specified in the constitution. But then a Fleabagger will never understand.

Actually we just want the federal government to get out of the way. Let the states enforce the laws and quit suing them. If the feds don't want to enforce the laws then at least get out of our lives and let us enforce them locally!

Watermoon, I have come to the conclusion we can't reason with a Fleabagger.

The States can't enforce a federal law. Immigration is federal and the states have no jurisdiction. They need to push their Congressmen and women (yeah, that'll work!) to get moving on immigration reform. These states think that they're being tough; in reality, the Constitution defers immigration to the Fed. Govt.

I don't have a problem with that SacredFire....only problem.....the Feds are not enforcing immigration. In other words, illegal border crossing continue to happen every minute of every hour. Should I repeat myself....The Feds Are Not Enforcing Border Control which is a part of immigration.

Wanting to get rid of just illegal aliens is not being xenophobic. Wanting to get rid of ALL foreigners would be xenophobic.

The Constitution does NOT defer immigration to the Federal Government. Immigration isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.

DESIGNS: Excellent post there buddy.

The Right always hates "Big Government" until they want that very same big goverment to enforce legislation that they appprove of.

TIL that wishing to enforce the laws of your country makes you a:

Xenophobe.

Jd,

Go home and made your country a better place to live. The unemployment rate in Mexico is only 5%.

jdesigns.

How ignorant are you???? How does wanting people to come here and or stay here legally make a person a xeneophobe. Also please tell us where in any of the different states anti illegals laws does it mention the color of ones skin?

Have you ever been through a check point in Alabama, Georgia, Arizona, etc. It wouldn't take that much to audit businesses. South Carolina has been doing it and on a scale that matches the entire out put of audits that the Fed has done in a year. It would be a lot less costly to have several people auditing the books of businesses than it would, paying for incarcerations of thousands don't you think?

As for on the federal level, they could redo the tax laws which would mean not needing all the IRS agents. Those agents could be used to audit the businesses thereby not increasing our already over bloated government and actually doing something to benefit the legal tax payers of this country.