BP accuses Halliburton of destroying evidence following Gulf spill

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Crews battle the blazing remnants of the Deepwater Horizon rig in the Gulf of Mexico on April 21, 2010.

NEW ORLEANS -- BP has accused Halliburton of destroying damaging evidence about the quality of its cement slurry that went into drilling the oil well that blew out last year and caused the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.

In a court filing, the oil company alleged that Halliburton did inadequate cement work. BP also asked a federal judge to punish the oilfield services company.

The accusation raises the stakes ahead of a trial, expected in late February, to assign blame and damages for the April 2010 blowout of the Macondo well, which triggered the spill.


Citing recent depositions and Halliburton's own documents, BP said Halliburton "intentionally" destroyed the results of slurry testing for the well, in part to "eliminate any risk that this evidence would be used against it at trial."

Also in the documents filed in a New Orleans federal court, BP accused Halliburton of failing to produce incriminating computer modeling evidence. BP accused Halliburton of claiming the modeling is gone.

BP asked U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to penalize Halliburton and order a court-sponsored computer forensic team to recover the missing modeling results.

'Without merit'
Beverly Blohm Stafford, a spokeswoman for Halliburton, told Reuters the Houston-based company is reviewing BP's filing.

"We believe that the conclusion that BP is asking the court to draw is without merit and we look forward to contesting their motion in court," she said.

BP is coming under scathing new criticism over shortcuts and outright failures that resulted in the April 2010 disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that killed 11 rig workers, soiled miles of coastline, and took nearly three months to get under control. NBC's Anne Thompson reports.

The allegations in the 310-page motion ratcheted up the showdown among BP PLC and contractors, Halliburton and Transocean Ltd. The three companies have been sparring over blame for the April 2010 Deepwater Horizon blast, which killed 11 workers and led to the release of 206 million gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

So far, BP, the majority owner of the Macondo well, has footed the bill for the emergency response and cleanup.

Also involved are Anadarko Petroleum Co. and Cameron International Corp.

The first trial over the Deepwater Horizon disaster is scheduled to start Feb. 27 in New Orleans. The first leg is expected to take about three months and determine the liability of each company involved in drilling the Macondo well. There will be other phases over cleanup costs, punitive damages and other claims.

Federal and independent investigations of the disaster have found fault in Halliburton's cement job because it failed to properly plug the well. Halliburton used a foamy cement slurry.

In Monday's court filing, BP accused Halliburton employees doing an internal investigation of the Macondo disaster of discarding and destroying early test results they performed on the same batch of cement slurry used in the Macondo well.

BP said Halliburton's chief cement mixer for Gulf projects testified in depositions that the cement slurry seemed "thin" to him but that he chose not to write about his findings to his bosses out of fear he would be misinterpreted.

"I didn't want to put anything on an email that could be twisted, and turned," Rickey Morgan, the Halliburton cement expert, said in depositions. He worked at a laboratory in Duncan, Oklahoma.

"Upon reviewing these latest testing results, Halliburton employees destroyed records of the testing as well as the physical cement samples used in the testing," BP alleged.

People who depend of the Gulf of Mexico for their livelihood are still struggling one year after the BP spill. NBC's Jay Gray reports.

Halliburton is the world's second-largest oilfield services provider.

The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig's explosion on April 20, 2010, caused 11 deaths, and brought tens of billions of dollars of lawsuits. Halliburton has accused BP of fraud and defamation, among other claims.

BP has also sued Transocean Ltd, which owned the rig, and Cameron International Corp, which made a blowout preventer.

In October, Anadarko Petroleum Corp, which owned 25 percent of the well, agreed to pay BP $4 billion toward clean-up costs and victims compensation.

BP has also reached settlements with Mitsui & Co, whose MOEX Offshore 2007 LLC venture was a drilling partner, and Weatherford International Ltd, which provided equipment used in the well. 

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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They're STILL trying to find a scapegoat??

  • 20 votes
#1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:11 AM EST

Scapegoat? The head of BP is outright saying Halliburton lied and changed records documenting the slurry. Period. Haven't we learned from lies told about contract specifications having been met in Afghanistan and Iraq that there was/is a culture of deceit and lies at Halliburton? And Mr. Cheney brought that culture to the White House with him. The more we have learned about this culture, the more I have sympathy for George W. He thought he was dealing with an hones vice president!

  • 185 votes
#1.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:28 AM EST

No really, Haliburton lied and cheated? Never?

  • 152 votes
#1.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:38 AM EST

It is interesting to see, the big corps. involved going after each other, when they all were at fault. Haliburton, you know the ones who electrocuted our soldiers with cheap, faulty wiring in showers, and the list goes on. Doing business, with the philosophy of quickest, cheapest, faster way to go, to increase profits, with lack of oversite by the Feds, encourages shoddy work, and safety violations everyday in this country and around the world. Why should we ever be surprised? It would be entertaining if not so deadly.

  • 91 votes
#1.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:15 AM EST

Why do trolls have to try and bring politics into every discussion on newsvine. How about just sticking to the story and saving your political rants for a more appropriate article/forum.

If BP's assertions are true, then Halliburton is going to have a big problem. Not only will they wind up on the hook for a major percentage of the compensatory and punitive damages, but there will likely be criminal charges for intentionally destroying evidence. As much as BP has been demonized over this spill, the truth is that if Halliburton had done their job right in cementing the well, the blowout would likely never have happened. On top of that, even if the blowout did occur, the spill would have been trivial if the blowout preventer made by Cameron had functioned the way it was supposed to. There may be some issues if BP pressured Halliburton to cut corners or if they failed to maintain the blowout preventer, but so far there is no hard evidence that either of these occurred. This is going to be a very interesting trial and in the end BP's share of the damages may wind up being much smaller than than those of Halliburton and Cameron. Cameron, being a relatively small company compared to the amount of damages, may wind up bankrupt when this is over. The only question will be if Cameron still gets hit with a large percentage of the damages if it is shown that the primary cause of the blowout was an improper cementing job by Halliburton. While the blowout preventer probably should still have stopped the spill, if this is deemed secondary to the flawed cement job, Cameron may get off light in spite of the failure of the preventer. It is all likely going to come down to relative blame based on culpability, i.e. would a proper cement job have been able to stop such a big blowout and if not should the blowout preventer have been able to handle it. The only thing that appears certain is that BP is not going to be paying the entire bill themselves and Halliburton and Cameron will likely be paying a significant share.

  • 38 votes
#1.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:32 AM EST

In a court filing, the oil company alleged that Halliburton did inadequate cement work. BP also asked a federal judge to punish the oilfield services company.

As long as Dick Cheney is alive, nothing is going to happen to Halliburton. Republican congress can't even say "NO" to a lobbyist; how are they going to say NO to Cheney? It's comical, for lack of other words.

  • 138 votes
#1.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:56 AM EST

JS in SD;

True, there are many trolls who hijack threads to push political agendas but Haliburton is so intertwined with our Republican leaders that this is not a great leap.

If you wish to have your voice heard, may I suggest brevity or at least paragraph structure?

At least you limit your sentences to 40 words, lol. I have seen 80+ word sentences!

  • 70 votes
#1.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:06 AM EST

Of course.

    #1.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:07 AM EST

    BP and Halliburton, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. The easiest way to solve all these problems is with free energy, The technology has been around for decades but the FBI raids every lab that makes it and calls the scientists crackpots. Demand free and clean energy from our government. it's there, they just don't want you to have it. It really doesn't matter if you vote republican or democrat, they are all the same with a different lapel pin.

    • 26 votes
    #1.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:13 AM EST

    MAKE IT STOP PLEASE MAKE IT STOP! Do we already know how this is going to end. Get your boiling pots ready and your noodles. It is going to be a wet noodle lashing and then business as usual. PLEASE - prove me wrong, I want to be proven wrong!!!

    • 42 votes
    #1.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:19 AM EST

    Westcoastvoice....I agree with everything we said except, I will never have sympathy for George W, he is no better than Cheney, he lied about weapons of massive destruction, and got us into 2 wars we never should of been, while thousands of American lives lost, once again its all about GREED, because war is big business.

    • 70 votes
    #1.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:53 AM EST

    JS in SD:

    This entire incident has been politicized, almost from the day the well blew, and primarily by the right wing. What happened in the Gulf was corporate malfeasance and incompetence at its worst. Yet, almost from the beginning there was a steady stream of crap from the right wing about how badly President Obama had blown the operation.

    Further, we are in the middle of a national debate about the wonderfulness of private enterprise and why we should put the future in the hands of these stellar business people. After all, the free market is the equivalent of the right hand of God, isn't it? At the same time, we are hearing about the evils of government and how it is a tool of Satan.

    Give me a break. If there is corporate filth, Halliburton is right there in the middle of it. If you expect anyone to believe that the culture of Halliburton is not corrupt, then you are living in "pretend world".

    Trolls? On this issue, not even. These are simply folks who have had their bellies full of the likes of Halliburton, BP, and the others involved in this incident as well. Lies and deceit have been the order of the day since the blowout.

    You say the only thing that is certain is that BP is not going to be paying the entire share of the damage. Here's a flash, JS. Here's what else is certain. Regardless of how this turns out, corporations and Big Money will continue to cut corners, they will continue to gouge the American public, and they will continue to pour billions of dollars into the pockets of corrupt politicians for special treatment.

    • 99 votes
    #1.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:54 AM EST

    They need to pull Dick Cheney out of the woods and have him answer to these questions before he shoots his buddies in the ass....I m warning ya....somewhere in the mountains of Wyoming, a democrat huntin buddy of Dick's about to get lit up....that or he'll have his dog pull the trigger...

    • 32 votes
    #1.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:56 AM EST

    With our current system and lax regulatory environment driven by "starve the beast" funding policies, only the most ruthless and unethical companies bubble to the top of the food chain. Halliburton is but one example. They have and continue to make $Billions off the backs of Americans overseas and here at home. What DOESN'T make the news are all the honest companies that lose contracts to these corrupt greed mongers.

    Obama has been criticized heavily by the Republicans for "spending like a drunken sailor", but any spending aimed at restaffing the regulators (to monitor business, banks, and Wall Street compliance) and the auditors (to collect the taxes owed us across all peoples and entities) is spending that is money well spent... I'll have to dig into those numbers...

    • 50 votes
    #1.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:02 AM EST
    Comment author avatarMOT from down underExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    We all want to make it stop but there is a never-ending line up of self serving arse licking sycophantic boy loving sociopaths looking for that next glob of sweet spit in the congressional showers or during the stopover at Vatican city or even that special young male prostitute at the next Bilderberger convention.

    • 9 votes
    #1.14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:05 AM EST

    JS in SD,

    Almost all headline news has at least a tangential political relationship especially anything related to Halliburton. Citing the abysmal record of construction projects they have undertaken for the taxpayer in the past is certainly germain.

    jkh

    • 33 votes
    #1.15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:12 AM EST

    I am ashamed as an American that Chaney was our vice President and represented us. Halliburton is as corrupted and ill intentioned as any of the worse african dictators, both will go down in history as they worse in their kind.

    • 71 votes
    #1.16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:22 AM EST

    JS In SD,

    I don't see any political ranting... just a quiet statement of fact. It is not inappropriate to point out Cheney was an executive officer of the company in question which has made tens of billions of dollars off US taxpayers. Especially in light of the issue of who is going to have to pay the bills and of how many loyal sons lie in ground.

    It is also not inappropriate to point out the secret energy task force meetings Cheney presided over in 2000 are known to have conducted intensive studies of the oil field maps of Iraq. What followed was the awarding of 7 billion dollars in no-bid defense contracts to Halliburton for which they did shoddy work resulting in the needless deaths of US servicemen...

    Don't you think the company's history of poor performance has a bearing on this issue? At this level politics and business are inseparable. Even Sarah Palin said, being Gov. of an oil rich state made her an expert on all things energy. You can bet your life BP's lawyers will be 'trolling' across that court room too.

    • 58 votes
    #1.17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:27 AM EST

    As someone who has been raised off of Halliburton, and is also now raising 4 kids off of Anadarko, I must say this is disturbing. I had "heard it through the grapevine" when it happened that BP had many safety issues, and this had caused Halliburton to remove their employees prior to the blast. This is all coming from other Halliburton employees, and I am claiming no inner knowledge, mind you. I am really curious as to who was overseeing Halliburton over all of this, my husband works with a bunch of the cementers and was a little curious as to that. I am also wondering if BP was destroying evidence as well? My husband works on Anadarko wells here. They seem to be pretty safety oriented. Even what they can and cannot wear as far as 100% cotton (not as flamable as say, polyester). Who knows what they were like before this, have no clue.

    Doc, There are no Democrats in Wyoming that go hunting... Unless its in Jackson. And we all know what THAT place is like... Shops that sell nothing but clothes that cost $500, and then you gotta buy the pants. Gotta be more creative.

    • 9 votes
    #1.18 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:27 AM EST
    Comment author avatarbuckieboy-4078238Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    I am proud of the work Dick Cheney did for us.Democrats didn't like him because he didn't take any @!$%# from them. Just like he told Patrick Leahy GO F--K yourself. Leahy talks behind your back and than wants to be your Buddy. Do you know what I would say to Leahy, GO F--K YOURSELF. They like people like MOST of you who follow them down their BROKEN BRICK ROAD.

    • 1 vote
    #1.19 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:33 AM EST
    Comment author avatarbrian-1077790Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    cheney cheney cheney...this happened under obamas watch and that admin let BP walk on hundreds of thousands of victims in the gulf states....Bp wants to blame halliburton about the cement...fine the court should pound haliburton into the ground..but slurry wouldn't have beeen required if BP had the appropriate equipment to deal with such a disaster

    • 6 votes
    #1.20 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:35 AM EST

    Without wars and distillation or unrequited love there would be nothing to separate us from the animals per se except for magpies.

    • 7 votes
    #1.21 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:48 AM EST

    I am proud of the work Dick Cheney did for us.

    Which work are you proud of?

    Legalizing torture, taking our country to war on lies, multi-billion dollar no bid contracts for his corporations, outing CIA agents for political reasons, arming Saddam, shielding Qaddafi, bankrupting the US through tax cuts for the wealthy elite and unpaid wars, gutting environmental regulations and enforcement, I could go on.

    • 85 votes
    #1.22 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:51 AM EST

    I'm all for penalizing companies that destroy evidence, especially in disasters that cause the sort of economic havoc this one did. I suggest revoking their status as corporations, and selling their assets to pay for all the damages, then everyone involved in the project can be sued in civil court. Corporations do these things because they can get away with it. Want it changed? Make sure they never get away with it again.

    • 24 votes
    #1.23 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:54 AM EST
    Comment author avatarwowed by the forceExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Cheney is from the town I currently live in. I know his neice. He really is a tough dude, and he has done alot for this country. We all know that Bush wasnt smart enough to do many of the things accomplished (the country was in the positives for the first time in a long time, regardless of what they say), so someone had to have a brain for him. I agree, leave Cheney alone. Washington is too full of morons NOW, to have to talk about old ones, anyway.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:57 AM EST
    Comment author avatarMOT from down underExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Anglo-Welsh Dick loaned out his huge balls not knowing they would inadvertently rub off on Barbara's Bush.

      #1.25 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:01 AM EST
      Comment author avatarkillerteamExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      I am ashamed that obama is our president and blames everything but the weather on george bush, and dick cheney. Its getting really old to hear the same old rants on here about bush and cheney, yet the entire country is in the toilet, and do you hear anything about the communist in power? no of course not because the obama state controlled media covers everything up bad about the president and takes you feeble minds of of all his failures and instead reports on republican problems. Lets face it people, obama is in office and its his fault for everything.... you can blame george bush all you want but he is not in office, obama is. When are you people going to start blaming what is happening and will continue to happen on this enept president?

      • 4 votes
      #1.26 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:02 AM EST

      Wakehead.........

      .....True Republicans are thinking: "Aaaah those were the days when we could count on Dick" Nothing like a good made up war to stir up the economy for our "friends in high$$$$$ places, and in a country where they welcome us with open arms and it will be over in 6 weeks.................hmmm

      • 28 votes
      #1.27 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:03 AM EST

      Yes! Pot calling kettle black is the king pin of this. Its call cover your ass. Can't say how much Hallibrton was on the federal tit before 1962. In 1962 George Brown sold Brown & Root to Halliburton after his Brother Hermon Brown passed away shortly before the sale. Now George was the governmental tit getter. Starting from the War Emergency Pipeline at the beginning of WW-II. Not only was it a cost plus project Brown & root Sub Texas Eastern owned the line when it was all said and done. Hermon was an Engineer who could get things done. George couldn't stick his finger in his ass with both hands. His degree was in Business administration. Before Halliburton B&R had a contract from the US to drill through the earth's crust. YEP! Cost plus. They designed and built the Moon shot Lab SE of Houston. It was a sweet plum ready for picking and Halliburton did the picking. Not long afterwards Engineers became disposable tools and con-artist lawyers and accountants took over. Time keepers became division managers. Then came along Kellogg another hard hitting engineering and construction firm. It was gobble up by Halliburton, thus B&RK ot KB&R. Yes I am sure they were well rewarded for giving Cheney 34 mill to run for Vice President. I am sure George had no choice in the matter. OH! by the way. Hermon Brown and HB Zachery owned LBJ lock stock ans barrel. They were all Democrats. When the yelled S$%T, LBJ dropped his pants. The Bull S#%T is on both sides of the isle. Until we stop the two party system and change congress noting is going to improve as PB has as much control over American politics as they have over England's. As Ross Parot said the year Slick willie was elected, "Follow The Money" Do you remember what Thomas Jefferson said about big Banks? Well look it up. Then ask where are we today? How long will it be until Americans are a servants to the state. How far are we from that today? The last go round in the democrat controlled congress when a long way in promoting a police state. All on the program to tax the rich. Think about it. Any controls that can be disguised as taxing the rich is fair game. Welfare America, corporate or private, can be bought with that little phrase.

      • 6 votes
      #1.28 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:04 AM EST

      buckieboy,

      "... I am proud of the work Dick Cheney did for us."

      How sick are you? Are you proud of the 4400+ dead in the ground for nothing? Are you proud of over 30000 wounded... some who come home only to find their house foreclosed on?

      Are you proud of his five wartime deferals?? He's basically been telling all of us to go f**K ourselves... but you can't insult a moron, so some folks are just proud of him.

      • 54 votes
      #1.29 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:04 AM EST

      I thought they said it was BP's fault, so why destroy any information? So, what happens now...absolutely nothing. Money = Power and they have a lot of it.

      • 8 votes
      #1.30 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:06 AM EST

      PS. I am not Rich. I have had to Pick S$%T with the chickens all my working life. No one's fault but my own lack of smarts.

        #1.31 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:10 AM EST

        Scapegoat? The head of BP is outright saying Halliburton lied and changed records documenting the slurry.

        Let me guess...Now you guys believe BP? You believe what you want to believe...that is the bottom line.

          #1.32 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:16 AM EST

          Beverly Blohm Stafford, a spokeswoman for Halliburton, told Reuters the Houston-based company is reviewing BP's filing.

          "We believe that the conclusion that BP is asking the court to draw is without merit and we look forward to contesting their motion in court," she said.

          If they didn't do anything wrong why would they contest the motion to reconstruct the computer model?

          • 10 votes
          #1.33 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:18 AM EST

          Dick Cheney must be proud. This is the same kind of crap Halliburton pulled in Iraq. electrocuting our soldiers in the showers and many, many more issues. Halliburton took projects they absolutely had no experience in handling and us taxpayers and soldiers had to put up with the result of Dick Cheney handing over contracts to his company which were no bid contracts. Dick received a huge amount of money in handing over these contracts to his buddies. He is a war criminal, he is dishonest, he is evil and this is exactly the way he and Halliburton did business.

          • 31 votes
          #1.34 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:32 AM EST

          Not sure if it is ignorance or is that liberals have been brainwashed, as they continue mentioning the name of Chaney as if he were the owner of Halliburton , when georgy Soros the founder of moveon.org and multiple socialist organizations, as well as a contributor of Obama has bought 62 million dollars in shares of Halliburton . Apparently their sources of information are quite inacurate . Do they learned that only 42% supports Obama and 72 per cent agree that we are going in right direction? . Do they know that Obama gabe 500 millions ob dollars to Petrobras a Brazilian Petroleum Co. where Soros is part of it ? I don't think so. You need better sources of information than Rachel Madow.

          • 3 votes
          #1.35 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:41 AM EST

          Halliburton can't be touched, there like the son of Satan..

          • 7 votes
          #1.36 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:43 AM EST

          Sorry for my typos . Correction

          gabe......gave

          ob....of

            #1.37 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:51 AM EST

            I see these companies as a gang of thugs. Every gang has a leader, we know who was leading the assault on our wildlife, BP. I say they are all equal, except for the leader. It was their example and orders that were followed.

            • 3 votes
            #1.38 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:55 AM EST

            A CHRISTMAS WISH LIST

            (sound up on "Jingle Bells")

            1. President Obama is re-elected in an historic landslide.

            2. He immediately authorizes full investigations of Halliburton, Koch Industrtes, News Corp.

            3. When the findings of the above investigations are released and the indictments are handed down and guilt has been determined by a jury of their peers, then I want them FINED and completely dismantled and sold to the highest bidder under the RICO act. The proceeds (probably in the billions, perhaps trillions of dollars) to be used to finance Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

            4. I want the President to re-instate the Fairness Doctrine in Broadcasting. That will be the end of hate radio and television which is an abomination never intended to dominate the airwaves or pollute the minds of an unsuspecting public.

            5. Peace on Earth.

            I think that will do it.

            Oh, one other thing, I almost forgot, give Texas back to Mexico. Thank you.

            Happy Holidays everyone.

            • 41 votes
            #1.39 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:00 AM EST

            Oh, and one more, one more thing.

            I want to see Bush2, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield charged with Crimes Against Humanity, arrested and deported to the international court in the Haage for trial.

            Ok, that really is it.

            Happy Holidays everyone.

            • 33 votes
            #1.40 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:03 AM EST

            Killerteam: If I am selling a house to you and as I leave, set the house on fire. You come to the house and try to put the fire out but it has been going too long for you to put out the fire and it burns to the ground. Which of us is responsible for the house being damaged?

            • 11 votes
            #1.41 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:03 AM EST

            Nicholson

            Hard to understand your sarcasm, but return Texas to Mexico is the best along with Obama re-elected.

            • 3 votes
            #1.42 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:14 AM EST

            OK Killerteam,

            Bush and Cheney were in office for 9/11... so they own it. And yet they whined that the groundwork was laid before they took office and tried to blame Clinton.

            They screamed like Chicken Little that Bin Laden was the greatest threat since Hitler and Tojo and through their entire administration they led the nation by instilling a grossly exaggerated fear of a tiny band of insurgents hiding in a cave as if they were some global menace.

            Cheney stoked that fear into grabbing for Iraqi oil... plain and simple. They led us into that war by lying about the threat. He is a mass murderer, plain and simple.

            Obama has proven them wrong on what they claim is their greatest strength... National Security... he's taking Bush/Cheney to school on what the words Mission Accomplished really mean.

            He's stamped out Al Qaida like the cockroaches they are... he's wasted Somali Pirates, he's done exactly what he promised he would do in Pakistan... I'll take Obama's cool hand over Bush's, deer in the headlights, any day.

            • 31 votes
            #1.43 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM EST

            1

            • 2 votes
            #1.44 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM EST

            This is what happens when we let corporations pay for our elections.

            We (the American people as Republicans, Democrats and independents) need to promote a constitutional amendment banning all non governmental financing of elections.

            That should be something the overwhelming majority of us can agree on.

            Protest in DC by all means, but this problem is happening at all levels of our government, and is literally being paid for by these huge multinational corporations. This can't be done without the American public coming together, put our other differences aside.

            The effort can't be led by politicians because their political opponents would then be funded by the corporations.

            OWS and the Tea party started partly as a reaction to the corruption the current corporate election system has wrought .

            The reason the Banks not only were bailed out, but the reason they needed to be bailed out was because the banks have been able to rewrite the rules they do business under.

            The reason we can spend trillions on wars, but only millions on cancer research, or education, or infrastructure or anything that would benefit those of us here at home, is because military contractors and oil companies (who don't want to spend their own money on security in risky nations) spend taxpayer money on electing people who will keep certain conflicts going that stand to improve their bottom lines.

            Conservatives, liberals, and moderates are all being screwed by this problem.

            • 17 votes
            #1.45 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:34 AM EST

            Red,

            No sarcasm intended. I want the living daylights investigated out of Haliburton, News Corp and Koch Industries as well as the Koch Brothers and Rupert Murdoch personally.

            I want their riches taken away from them and used for the betterment of this nation. Fund Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and take any left-over funds and pay down the deficit.

            But most importantly of all I want the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting re-instated. Reagan set it aside and that paved the way for Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Fox News. They are killing this nation and are in large part responsible for the political gridlock we find ourselves in today. Now the Fairness Doctrine wouldn't keep them off the air, per se, it would just require stations broadcasting their lies and propaganda to supply equal time to responsible persons with opposing view (like the truth).

            For every hour Limbaugh or Fox News is on the air, under the Fairness Doctrine they and their affiliates would have to provide an hour of "equal time". It's a self-correcting mechanism because NOBODY wants to give away an hour or more of free time everyday.

            If Limbaugh, Beck, Palin or Coulter want to continue to peddle their hate, they can do so by writing and selling books, giving speeches, or whatever. But they will not be able to use the public airwaves to spread their lies and propaganda without equal time being provided to the opposition. Period.

            I truly believe GBII, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be charged with Crimes Against Humanity and be remanded to the international court for prosecution. Not only did they cook the books to drag us into two unfunded wars which caused the deaths of literally tens of thousands of people, they nearly drove the world economy off a cliff and caused the worst economic crisis since the great depression.

            And I'm so tired of Texas and their whole attitude of superiority that I'd just GIVE them back to Mexico, no charge. But if we thought they could generate any money I'd put them up on ebay and sell the state to the highest bidder and use THAT money to pay down the deficit as well. They are re-writing their text books, eliminating what they consider to be inconvenient facts and promoting their own mythology. Because they are one of the largest text book markets in the country those same texts end up in other state school systems. Talk about propaganda.

            No sarcasm intended Red, I'm as serious as a heart attack. If we do those five or six things we'll get America back on track.

            Oh, then in Obama's second term we should:

            Bring all our troops home from overseas, everywhere, and close down all off-shore military bases.

            We should tax US corporations who send jobs off-shore. Bring those jobs home and put America back to work.

            Eliminate ALL tax loop-holes for the rich and re-instate the graduated tax from the Reagan era.

            We should have prohibitive tariffs preventing companies like Wal-Mart, etc. from bringing in cheap goods produced by child labor and under-paid foreign workers. Bring THOSE jobs home and put America back to work.

            Make Marijuana legal and regulate and tax it. That will substantially cripple the Mexican drug cartels.

            Finally, I want to see the electoral college GONE, eliminated. It is an anachronism that disenfranchises voters like me. The popular vote should decide who our President will be.

            If we did all that, we'd regain America's greatness and put us back on track for the future.

            It's not that hard, we can do it.

            Happy Holidays

            • 33 votes
            #1.46 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST

            Skip, what are you smoking?

            • 1 vote
            #1.47 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:43 AM EST

            Ahhh, nothing like the sweet smell of corporate capitalism in the morning!

            • 2 votes
            #1.48 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:43 AM EST

            Halliburton shows their true colors on a regular basis. This is a company that requires their employees to sign a "no trial" clause as a condition of employment. Essentially, as a condition of employment, you must sign away your right to sue Halliburton for any reason. All disputes will be directed through their 3rd party assessor, and all decisions are final and binding.

            This includes dropping any charges when an employee rapes you on location. Any damages caused by on-the-job dangers such as explosives or oil exposure. Basically, you waive your given rights as an American. That is the type of company this is, an exploitative capitalistic miser that doesn't believe in the constitution of the country they do business in.

            • 8 votes
            #1.49 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST

            Corporate greed and arrogance play a big part in this entire story, but the unsung anti-hero of the saga is the populace which turns a blind eye to the overall picture and speaks most loudly when the price goes up: rednecks in their pickups, sportsmen in their pickups, little old ladies going to get their hair done in their 1-ton pickups, soccer moms heading out on their rounds in their modified pickups. Wake up and figure out where you fit in the story. Then get mad.

            • 2 votes
            #1.50 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST

            Its hard for me to believe people can actually say that Cheney did something good in his lifetime. Wasn't the Cheney family involved in asbestos? I believe so, they knew it was bad and they still made and sold the stuff long after they found out it was wrong. How about after they bombed Afghanistan, Dubya sends some planes in, dropping balogna sandwiches and meds for the civilians and then dubya gets on tv and asks everyone to send a dollar, just one dollar from everyone, including our children, to Washington and they would give it to the civilians in Afghanistan and buy gifts for their children. I'd really like to see what happened to that money? Then there was Louisiana, nothing and all the people that died from asbestosis get a thousand dollars and they believe they made amends to their families? Cheney is one no good sob if there ever was one. That man is the devil. Now dubya he just drives this country into the ground and the rest of the world hates Americans. They covered and destroyed every aspect of everything that was good about this country when they got into office. George and Barbra Busch must be really proud of their son right now. What a real shame. Yeah its Obama fault alright.

            • 5 votes
            #1.51 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:58 AM EST

            @sum-n-a-bitch!

            You, plain and simple. You did the arson, your guilty, PERIOD!

            • 1 vote
            #1.52 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:01 AM EST

            This is no surprise. Dick Cheney is the spawn of satan. Halliburton is corrupt. I HOPE KARMA WORKS.

            • 7 votes
            #1.53 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:04 AM EST

            Corporations do these things because they can get away with it. Want it changed? Make sure they never get away with it again.

            Now, come on...remember, corporations are "people" too! LOL

            • 9 votes
            #1.54 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:05 AM EST

            Actually Halliburton has a good reputation for safety. If one looks back at the original invstigation, BP was the one ordering things pushed for speed and safety checks skipped.

            Also, BP has a record that is one of the worst among oil companies on this sort of thing, safety and cutting corners. Far worse than Halliburton's so without some major evidence I am inclined to believe Halliburton over BP here.

            Recommend people on the comment boards check the facts about the two companies' safety records before jumping into political trolling (yeah, like that's ever going to happen) but this political bullroar may be what BP is trying to play on if they are aiming to deflect blame.

              #1.55 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST

              If Halliburton and Cheney had anything to do with it, then they are guilt. There dosen't need to be a trial to waste tax payers money to find them innocent.

              • 2 votes
              #1.56 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST

              sonofavetvetfatherofvets

              True, there are many trolls who hijack threads to push political agendas but Haliburton is so intertwined with our Republican leaders that this is not a great leap

              Hmmmmm, Republicans.

              Yeah it's always the Republicans fault.

              Those damn Republicans.

              I'm sure the Republicans forced the Obama administration to give Halliburton a no-bid contract for $568 Million dollars last year.

              Hell, while we're at it let's blame the Republicans for the fact that as of July only $4.5 Billion dollars of the Gulf Coast Claims Facility (the $20 Billion dollar fund mediated by Ken Feinberg) has been distributed. At this rate the full relief won't be given out until late 2014.

              All you political hacks sit here and blather about what the mean nasty Cheney or Halliburton did to our military feigning your concern for it. In 5 minutes you'll be railing for the Defense budget be slashed in half to pay for all the other unconstitutional budgetary disasters we are faced with.

              Perhaps some of your rage should be directed at our incompetent government.

              Maybe something like outgoing Director of CMS, Donald Berwick's claim last week that Medicare and Medicaid could save between $150 billion to $250 billion a year by eliminating waste. This startling admonition is between 2-4x's the previous estimates of the Waste, Fraud and Abuse that runs rampant in our government.

              Maybe you should be concerned with the report from government auditors that spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.

              Perhaps you should ask why the government can never find any way to cut spending when the Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.

              You Limp Libbies and rampant RINO's will sit here and mentally masturbate all over each other about your "alleged" knowledge about BP, Halliburton, Cheney (remember, he's no longer in office) or any other situations you've been indoctrinated to hate for purely political reasons. In the meantime your tax dollars continue to be tossed to the wind.

              HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS are wasted every year and your ridiculous solution is to allow the government to raise taxes and just keep spending our money irrationally. Where is all the accountability, responsibility and Transparency we were promised?

              Then again, most of you love to dwell on the past while in the present and future your money and liberties will continue to be raped from you. I'm sure Timmy "Turbo-Tax" Geithner is just going to the EU today to do a little wealth redistribution via the Fed and the IMF. Rumor has it they only need another $410 BILLION Dollars to "shore up" the European banks. Remember these are the banks that are carrying most of the collapsing Euro Bonds that all our banks are invested in. That's why S&P downgraded 32 banks last week. I guess "Too Big To Fail" is still alive and kicking, isn't it?

              But you know what? I'll wager you'll just blame the Republicans for all this won't you?

              Buffoons!

              • 4 votes
              #1.57 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:10 AM EST

              David Powell; Do you really believe Halliburton's records? You sign a contract saying any dispute you may have with that company is settled inside that company, before your hired to work for them. Thats got to be a clue for you right there, but I guess if you want to believe the records they have posted then you probably will. Just let me say once again, if Cheney and halliburton had anything to do with it, then they are guilty. I'm not going to waste my time checking their records, I know they are guilty of this issue and everything else they got their hands on.

              • 4 votes
              #1.58 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST

              Haliburton do something illegal, immoral, and unethical? Nah, couldn't happen! I'll bet that house is sitting on oceanfront property in Montana too!

              • 2 votes
              #1.59 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:25 AM EST

              Jesse Ventura covered this about a year ago, why is this news?

                #1.60 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:29 AM EST

                Hey guess what. Halliburton admited that the cement was not going to work because it did not hold up in the lab. And BP said pump it, it will still hold. So yes Halliburton is at fault for knowingly pumping faulty cement. And the got the hell of that rig before it went KABOOM. But if Halliburton hadn't pumped it I guareentee that BP would have slapped them with a lawsuit for not following the contract and/ or would have found someone else. Its so unfortuante that two stupid giants in the oil industry had to screw it up for the rest of the thousands of smaller independents that actually do drill right. BP and Halliburton need an ethics and safety class taught to them with the faces that they have killed along with the families that had to pay for it. Everyone has the right to stop a job because they see something unsafe, not just the ones in charge, but also the lowest on the totem worm. Too bad everyone was pressured to git her done. American needs to go back to the quality not quanitiy mentality.

                • 1 vote
                #1.61 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:37 AM EST

                freedom i blame all the politicians for what has been going on in our country for a long time now. its time to kick them all out of office and get some middle class people in our govt with common sense. only then will we see a change for the better in our country. we need a third party one made up of the common american for this to happen.

                • 2 votes
                #1.62 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:39 AM EST

                Jay,

                I don't smoke and I don't drink cool-aid. I am a registered independent and always have been. I do not belong to EITHER political party.

                What I say is completely free of political ideology or agenda.

                I strongly believe what I suggest is the right thing to do, including returning Texas to Mexico or selling them to the highest bidder. I'll bet the Chinese would buy Texas in a heartbeat and for a very pretty penny. We could use the funds to repay the Bush loans he got from China and to pay down our deficit. Just think of the billions we'll save in federal money sent to Texas every year.

                It's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

                Happy holidays and hoping for a happier new year.

                • 3 votes
                #1.63 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:40 AM EST

                Solyndra: $535 million to protect an American company from the Chinese

                BP Spill: $40 BILLION AND COUNTING

                Yet for some reason, the teabaggers only care about one of these... Can you guess which?

                • 11 votes
                #1.64 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST

                While these industrial giants are pointing fingers at each other let's not forget that 11 people died. Families suffered, local industry came to a halt, and some children will be raised by a single parent. No matter whose to blame it will never bring back those lives or the loses people incurred.

                Drilling in 5,000 feet of water is a major risk at best and not enough study has been done to access such risks. We have politicians who would drill in the middle of Washington if they thought there was oil. I am a proponent of drilling, but all the risks involved should be weighed. I recall one U.S. Congressman from Texas saying the accident was a natural accident. It is no accident when you drill in that depth. Some of you are correct, many republicans and some democrats will make sure Bp and Haliburton are not to blame. Money talks and ......you know the rest. It is a sad day when those who died, just doing a job, are the forgotten in this tragedy.

                • 4 votes
                #1.65 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:52 AM EST

                Skip

                I agree with your posts and would nominate you for the Common sense award.

                Oddly, BP and Haliburton have blood and oil on their hands. I wonder how they could get a fair trial though? Seems to me, the Supreme Court, with Roberts, Thomas and Scalia, would over turn anything the lower courts would consider fair punishment.

                Cheney (would lives on a heart pump) will be dead long before he can be convicted for murder, fraud, perjury and host of other conviction will be long dead before he will come to trial. Fortunately he will be judged by a greater entity then any court on earth. I think he will be shovelling coal for a long time.

                GW will skate out with maybe a fine because he will be considered to stupid to conjure up such a fraud against the people of the world. So he too, will be at the mercy of our creator.

                Now, for Rumsfeld, the Kochs, Murdock, Limpball, Coulture, O'Reilly, and the rest of the liars who perpetuate hatred of mankind, in our land, I pray they are made sent to jail and find every cent they own. The writer who wrote, that might be Billions if not Trillions of dollars is right. That money could shore up Social Security and Medicare, for those people who have actually worked for a living. I would also, love to see all of them in prison orange.

                I cannot wait to see the spin Fox mania puts on this today. Yes, I watch Fox just to see what the bought and paid for "celebrities" have to say, as they puff out there chests like turkeys and quote "people say" made up garbage, for the simple minded who believe them.

                I hope I live to see the end of this era of greed, subterfuge, lies, hubris and yes, even murder!

                I wish all who are deserving, Happy Holidays.

                For the rest of you, I wish you what you deserve. Whatever that might be.

                • 3 votes
                #1.66 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:58 AM EST

                Toasty McGrath

                Solyndra: $535 million to protect an American company from the Chinese

                Yes, we should all be worried about this. These are OUR tax dollars being wasted. Apparently you have no regard for how our criminal government wastes our money, usually unconstitutionally. And before you go postal on me about subsidies I support eliminating ALL subsidies on ALL industries including this ridiculous "Geen Initiative" hoax. Let the free-market determine the winners and losers with their own money, not mine.

                BP Spill: $40 BILLION AND COUNTING

                This is BP's money or whoever ends up paying for this. It's their profits. I could care less what happens to it. If they fu**ed up, they should, and are, paying.

                Seems you Liberal teabaggee's have your priorities messed up.

                (By the way, a “teabaggee” is the one who accepts the bag from the teabaggers. You can find a more descriptive definition here, urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabaggee)

                • 1 vote
                #1.67 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:59 AM EST

                Right you are, Freedom!!

                These Leftist loons are WAY to ignorant to realize that there was a logical reason that Haliburton received the FIRST no-bid Iraq contract. The TRUTH is that Haliburton was the ONLY American company with the resources and trained personnel and the presence in the region to fulfill that contract. It would have taken any other company YEARS to even begin to do so.

                Obama found that out before he RENEWED that contract to the Haliburton subsidiary KBR, Inc.

                Of course, the hundreds of millions of $$ in no-bid contracts that Obama awarded (in violation of yet another campaign pledge) to Checchi & Company Consulting and Siga Technologies were not at all necessary and were just more pay-offs to his political cronies and major campaign donors.

                And that doesn't even BEGIN to address the HUGE amounts of taxPAYER dollars that Obama has handed out to his buddies through the "Stimulus Bill" swindle.

                On another point, we've got some more of these fools calling for prosecution of Bush, Cheney, and anybody else they don't like.

                Their drug-addled brains must not retain enough cells to remember that, after they took control of Congress, the DemocRATs held literally HUNDREDS of Congressional and Senate hearings (again, at a HUGE cost to taxPAYERS) trying to pin ANY kind of crime or wrong-doing on the Bush Administration.

                Of course, they found NOTHING.

                I can't wait until 2013, when the Republicans have retaken the White House and the Senate. Then can begin the hearings on the legality of actions taken by Obama and his puppets in the DOJ, the Commerce Dept, the EPA, the NLRB, etc.

                Now THAT will be what the military calls "A TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT"!!

                • 2 votes
                #1.68 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST

                Corporations, lobbists and all that illegal stuff that goes on will always find a way to stuff the pockets of politicans. What you going to do, watch them every minute of everyday? So they don't bank the money, they go home and put it in their matteress. It will never stop now. Its too big and too profitable for the right people and well, we poor phuckers have to live with it or move on. Ahh, it was so simple when our forefathers wrote the constitution but nothing good lasts, evil has a way of taking over. The guidelines are there for us to follow but you don't think someone elected will say, no I don't want your dirty money, I'm going to do this right? I'll believe it when I see it. Why do you think everyone wants to be president and billions of dollars are spent during election time? Thats where the biggest paydays are if your elected.

                • 1 vote
                #1.69 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM EST

                BP is likely correct in accuseing haliburton of destroying records it sounds like exactly what they would do but BP is jsut using it as a distraction. Even if the specific incident that caused the blowout was due to haliburton failure BP knowing allowed saftey to be ignored on an ongoing basis at this well and others. BP's practices are the true root cause. They should be held responsible for 100% of the money then sue some of these other companies and get back 20-30%.

                  #1.70 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:24 AM EST

                  Skip, Thank you for your contributions on this board.

                  I totally agree with you especially about reinstating the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE. Sadly, most Americans do not even know what it is, let alone what the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE has done for our country during the decades that it was the major FCC rule. That rule made sure that Americans were not subjected to propaganda and if they were then it guaranteed that other opinions would be heard. IMO, it was the most important tool for maintaining a Democracy ever implemented.

                  Ronald Reagan ended the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE (which had been in effect since the days of "radio only") by stating that "free enterprise should determine the content of our news programs." In other words, the TRUTH was sold to the highest bidder. BTW, America does not have free enterprise (or free markets) they are monopolized (especially since Glass-Steagall was also terminated) by 5 corporations in our country.

                  When America had the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, American citizens were considered the best informed citizenry in the world, because we were (by FCC rules) required to be told all sides to every story. That is why both political parties have ensured that this great American doctrine has not been reinstated. They do not want Americans to be informed of what is really going on and allow us to draw our own conclusions. Sadly, America is currently ranked with China in the information that it is allowed to hear over OUR public "airwaves" (cable, etc.). I truly believe that if the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE were reinstated that just the honest information that we receive would completely change America in a very positive way.

                  • 4 votes
                  #1.71 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:25 AM EST

                  WHY oh WHY do you people have to collapse comments based on disagreement? That is the most CHILDISH behavior I have ever seen! You act like someone I cant mention or face collapsing...

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.72 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM EST

                  The hypocrisy on newsvine is more abundant than Hydrogen. People love pointing fingers at everyone, when each political parties plays the same game.

                  Listening to most of you bicker makes me realize why we have the most inefficient and bloated government ever.

                  Try looking at the whole picture, every single company has ethical and non ethical people working for them. To make accusations that every business in corrupt is a joke.

                  Furthermore I would caution the lunatics that think government control of industry is in our best interest. If your worried about corruption government is the last entity you should be turning to.

                  • 6 votes
                  #1.73 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:33 AM EST

                  11 people were murdered by corporate malfeasance and greed. I'll believe corporations are people too when one of them goes to jail

                  • 4 votes
                  #1.74 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST

                  lepere-1

                  Enron.

                  If a cover up is found people will go to jail in this case as well.

                    #1.75 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST

                    Bobby Jones Bia

                    The hypocrisy on newsvine is more abundant than Hydrogen. People love pointing fingers at everyone, when each political parties plays the same game.

                    Listening to most of you bicker makes me realize why we have the most inefficient and bloated government ever.

                    Try looking at the whole picture, every single company has ethical and non ethical people working for them. To make accusations that every business in corrupt is a joke.

                    Furthermore I would caution the lunatics that think government control of industry is in our best interest. If your worried about corruption government is the last entity you should be turning to.

                    I'm more concerned with corporations that want to remove all regulation and deny responsibility for their wrongdoing. Defense contractors are fleecing the treasury and stealing tax dollars while elected leaders are taking a pledge to Grover Norquist. Within that pledge is a vow to not raise taxes and not to close loopholes. When Haliburton was busted for overcharging for meals, housing, etc, they were just allowed to pay back the overcharges. Haliburton didn't make a mistake---they stole the money. It's impossible to repeatedly charge for more meals and housing that the number of troops that exist--and it be an error. Oddly, not a single question by a GOP member during the hearing.

                    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Democratic-Policy-Cmte-Hearing-on-Halliburton/3245/

                    You might be alright with $1.2 to $1.4T in defense related spending for 2012 with $2.2T in total revenues, but it's more than half of the total revenue.

                    Where there is smoke, there's usually fire. Where there's smoke and fire, there's always Haliburton and the other leeches of our tax dollars, (defense contractors).

                    • 5 votes
                    #1.76 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST

                    MD-414241, as is usual on the Left, you completely distort the issue of the Fairness Doctrine.

                    First of all, when it originally was instituted, most communities only had one or two sources of information, i.e., a newspaper and a radio station. Even then, there was no mandate of equal time except for political campaigns.

                    All that was required was for proponents of both sides of an issue to have ACCESS to media sources. There was no mandate that the access be equal or that it be given for FREE.

                    It is a measure of the liberal dishonesty on this subject that they only want to apply this "fairness" to talk radio where liberal shows have failed while conservative shows have thrived.

                    The Left is adamantly opposed to imposing the same standards to television , newspapers, or, indeed, to ANY media where liberal dogma dominates the discussion.

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.77 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST

                    This is not an issue about journalism but about fraudulence at its best.

                    We blame you, you blame us and nothing is resolved! Time to bring BP, Haliburton down for failure to protect the Enviornment and the People in the name of greed. Cheney approved of all of this, yet hid when it all crashed! It is aso time to hold all who benefited from such (perry) accountable and coerce them to PAY THE PEOPLE BACK!

                    • 2 votes
                    #1.78 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:12 PM EST

                    Wowed by the force- you are right about collapsing comments it is not only childish but ensures that those comments will be read simply because people are curious by nature.

                      #1.79 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:22 PM EST

                      jay

                      We know what your smoking and it is illegal by federal law.

                      We also know what you are drinking. How does that tea flavored Kool-aid taste?

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.80 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM EST

                      Surprise surprise, not even... First Burning Pits in Afghanistan and Iraq, shower electrocutions all debilitating our soldiers and now Cheney's Haliburton/KBR proclaim their innocence? LMAO.

                      The US Military returning from Iraq and Afghanistan may be suffering chronic, long-term health issues as a result of exposure to toxic fumes from open burn pits. Defense contractors have used burn pits at the majority of US military bases in the Middle East as a method of military waste disposal. All kinds of toxic waste have been incinerated in these open burn pits, including human waste, plastics, hazardous medical waste, lithium batteries, tires, hydraulic fluids and vehicles—often using jet fuel as an accelerant.

                      Burn pit lawsuits have been filed against defense contractors KBR and its former parent company Halliburton, claiming the companies endangered the health of US troops and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan by unsafely burning massive amounts of garbage on US bases.

                      One lawsuit filed in the United States District Court for District of Maryland (David Jobes v. KBR, April 2010) alleges that prolonged exposure to the pits’ smoke, ash, and fumes caused injuries such as chronic illnesses, risk of illnesses and wrongful death. The suit claims that the defendants—KBR Inc., Kellogg, Brown &d Root Services, Kellogg Brown & Root LLP and Halliburton Company-- had a duty to warn US service members and civilians working and living around burn pit fumes about health and safety issues but failed to properly do so.

                      The suit also claims that Halliburton and KBR received approximately five billion dollars per year in exchange for promising to provide contractually defined services. KBR apparently built the burn pit upwind from soldiers’ living quarters, in violation of the LOGCAP statement of work and Army regulations, which stated that burn pits had to be built downwind of living quarters. Yet the contractors allegedly ignored this guidance.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.81 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 2:55 PM EST

                      Sorry FRL, but when Obama tried to lift the spill liability cap, the teabaggers stopped it. The US taxpayer paid almost the entire bill for BP's oil spill.

                      • 3 votes
                      #1.82 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 3:12 PM EST

                      From the Hydro-Fracking lies, the Gulf Oil Spill, and the $20 billion+ missing from the Pentagon Defense Budget! Halliburton thinks they're like the K(r)och Brothers! Untouchable! Nobody's going to prison here, folks!

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.83 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:04 PM EST

                      foolishness abounds


                      Right you are, Freedom!!

                      These Leftist loons are WAY to ignorant to realize that there was a logical reason that Haliburton received the FIRST no-bid Iraq contract. The TRUTH is that Haliburton was the ONLY American company with the resources and trained personnel and the presence in the region to fulfill that contract. It would have taken any other company YEARS to even begin to do so.

                      Obama found that out before he RENEWED that contract to the Haliburton subsidiary KBR, Inc.

                      Of course, the hundreds of millions of $$ in no-bid contracts that Obama awarded (in violation of yet another campaign pledge) to Checchi & Company Consulting and Siga Technologies were not at all necessary and were just more pay-offs to his political cronies and major campaign donors.

                      And that doesn't even BEGIN to address the HUGE amounts of taxPAYER dollars that Obama has handed out to his buddies through the "Stimulus Bill" swindle.

                      On another point, we've got some more of these fools calling for prosecution of Bush, Cheney, and anybody else they don't like.

                      Their drug-addled brains must not retain enough cells to remember that, after they took control of Congress, the DemocRATs held literally HUNDREDS of Congressional and Senate hearings (again, at a HUGE cost to taxPAYERS) trying to pin ANY kind of crime or wrong-doing on the Bush Administration.

                      Of course, they found NOTHING.

                      I can't wait until 2013, when the Republicans have retaken the White House and the Senate. Then can begin the hearings on the legality of actions taken by Obama and his puppets in the DOJ, the Commerce Dept, the EPA, the NLRB, etc.

                      Now THAT will be what the military calls "A TARGET-RICH ENVIRONMENT"!!

                      There's an abundance of things to learn in life. One suggestion that I might offer if it's within your control--what's the deal with trying to put emphasis on a half of a word by making it in bold. Random words in caps? What's the deal with that? Next post--all bold. Quiet down and maybe someone will read the words. As is, it's just a childish rant that I can't read. If you're trying to be a voice, I can't hear you. and I can't read that kind of superiority based narcissistic bull@!$%#. Your voice is no more important than other posters.

                      Chill out and there might just be a juice box for you. Are you "Roy Wilson, Jr?"

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.84 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:05 PM EST

                      Toasty McGrath

                      The US taxpayer paid almost the entire bill for BP's oil spill.

                      HUH????

                      Please show me that link. Your delusion is overwhelming you.

                      You do realize that Ken Feinberg said he estimates that about $6 billion of the $20 billion fund will be spent, including government and cleanup claims, allowing BP to reclaim the remainder once all the settlements are paid out by August 2013.

                      So why would a cap even be necessary?

                      Oh, by the way. In July 2011, Mississippi's attorney general Jim Hood announced he is suing Feinberg to get access to claims filed by coastal residents, saying he's "seeking to make the process more transparent so people will know if Feinberg is looking out for the best interests of oil spill victims or BP". Hood has stated he believes Feinberg's operation is "intentionally delaying and denying legitimate claims". Feinberg has been criticized by others about the amount and speed of payments as well as a lack of transparency.

                      Don't you just LOVE that effective government oversight? I'm sure you limp Libbie's would just demand MORE regulations on top of regulations to make this more efficient, right?

                      Oh, one more thing. According to BP's law firm, Feinberg's law firm received a total of $3.3 million from BP as of early November 2010. The law firm was paid $850,000 a month since June 2010. In March 2011, Feinberg's law firm received an increase in the monthly wage from BP. Compensation rose from $850,000 to $1.25 million.

                      Ya gotta love them lawyers don't you? You don't think good ole Kenny has any cronyism going on here would you?

                      Nah, he was hand-picked by Barrack, he would NEVER do anything fraudulent would he?

                      Buffoons!

                      • 2 votes
                      #1.85 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:46 PM EST

                      FreedomRingsLoud

                      Toasty McGrath

                      The US taxpayer paid almost the entire bill for BP's oil spill.

                      HUH????

                      Please show me that link. Your delusion is overwhelming you.

                      You do realize that Ken Feinberg said he estimates that about $6 billion of the $20 billion fund will be spent, including government and cleanup claims, allowing BP to reclaim the remainder once all the settlements are paid out by August 2013.

                      So why would a cap even be necessary?

                      Oh, by the way. In July 2011, Mississippi's attorney general Jim Hood announced he is suing Feinberg to get access to claims filed by coastal residents, saying he's "seeking to make the process more transparent so people will know if Feinberg is looking out for the best interests of oil spill victims or BP". Hood has stated he believes Feinberg's operation is "intentionally delaying and denying legitimate claims". Feinberg has been criticized by others about the amount and speed of payments as well as a lack of transparency.

                      Don't you just LOVE that effective government oversight? I'm sure you limp Libbie's would just demand MORE regulations on top of regulations to make this more efficient, right?

                      Oh, one more thing. According to BP's law firm, Feinberg's law firm received a total of $3.3 million from BP as of early November 2010. The law firm was paid $850,000 a month since June 2010. In March 2011, Feinberg's law firm received an increase in the monthly wage from BP. Compensation rose from $850,000 to $1.25 million.

                      Ya gotta love them lawyers don't you? You don't think good ole Kenny has any cronyism going on here would you?

                      Nah, he was hand-picked by Barrack, he would NEVER do anything fraudulent would he?

                      Buffoons!

                      Now I can read your posts without losing an eye. "Baffoons", "limp Libbie's". Your words. Do you have "I am John Galt tattooed to your ass?" Do you have an Ayn Rand blowup doll? The tide has turned from the right. They have seen the TP's roll with the backing of Norquist. Imagine--all but a handful of GOP members took an oath to a @!$%#ing "Super Pac"? The parts of the pledge--"to not raise taxes under any circumstances" and "to not allow any loopholes to be closed. The goddamn country has been at way for 10 years and with a massive loss of revenue and accumulation of debt.

                      Oh---damned near forgot. I can't stand shills for corporations while corporations as rape the American worker, dodge regulations, and get a tax break for it. 4 of the top earners this year paid no taxes, (4 being oil). Add in a couple defense contractors, (GE being mentioned the most). The reason more Global 500 countries are located in the US than in any other country? It can't be that imaginary 35% corporate tax rate---on average $16%. Corporations expect a stable business and political environment--which comes from our tax dollars.

                      The ultimate utopia for corporate America would be to breed a generation of American workers that will work for $1/hour. For now, outsource.

                        #1.86 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST

                        Toasty McGrath

                        Nice try. I asked for the link to your statement:

                        The US taxpayer paid almost the entire bill for BP's oil spill.

                        Instead you give me a useless Huff-N-Puff Post story about caps. Less than half of the $20 Billion BP has provided for the recovery will be needed. No cap is necessary.

                        I'm still waiting for the link I asked for regarding the US taxpayer paid the entire bill. There is none. This is just more of the Libberal delusion and self-pity about Big Oil.

                        You guys need to grow up and stop demonizing success and promoting mediocrity. America was built on the shoulders of industry, not government.

                        • 2 votes
                        #1.88 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 10:22 AM EST
                        Reply

                        Is it any wonder that the company once run by Mr. Tricky Dick #2 would do otherwise. No doubt just following orders from BP, but boy would you want to get caught with the evidence? No way. And you don't get to be #2 in the oil-drilling material business by doing it on the up and up. Not from what I have heard anyway.

                        • 21 votes
                        Reply#2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:19 AM EST

                        It amazes me that anyone could even consider casting a vote for a Republican politician for any office.

                        How many more events illustrating the depth of Republican corruption is it going to take for people to realize they are only interested in serving themselves?

                        We have become so used to daily reports of corruption that we have become numb to it.

                        Maybe the time has come to take to the streets and demand better. Oh wait, we already have. Washington better start listening hard or it will be our cities that look like Syria and Egypt.

                        • 24 votes
                        #2.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:25 AM EST

                        I cannot tell the difference between Republican or Democrat anymore.

                        It's like watching professional wrestling. It's all for show.

                        • 33 votes
                        #2.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:58 AM EST

                        @Rockyroad

                        You Nailed that one, I find it completely laughable that people like Denverdude7 think the Dems are any different. sigh

                        One day these fools will wake up and we will have a political party of the people, by the people and for the people. Until then I just sit back and laugh at the WWE political arena!

                        " that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

                        Some dude with a beard said this and I think he got it right!

                        • 7 votes
                        #2.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:27 AM EST

                        kjh...while I don't disagree with your sentiments on party affiliation, I take umbrage at your cavalier attitude toward our current state of democracy. If you sit back and laugh while democracy is sold to the highest bidder, you are in fact part of the problem and not part of the solution. You want a party of the people and by the people, well get off your ass and start one. Or join the occupation which seeks to return democracy to the people. But laughing on the sidelines just makes you that much easier for the power brokers to ignore.

                        • 17 votes
                        #2.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:41 AM EST

                        WOW kj and Rockyroad, couldnt have said either any better! Washington hasnt been something to think of in a working sense in a long time. I say that the citizens need to take back what is rightfully ours. We need blow joe shmo that has successfully raised their families in a not upper class environment, scraped through life with the normal ups and downs that we call borderline starvation and homelessness, and that has worked their entire life to watch this country slowly fall apart to come there and become the house cleaner. Get some people that were single parents with no other means but them to do some budgeting. Make a cap be put on campaign fundage. Millions of dollars is ridiculous to run for office for a nation of POOR PEOPLE! Wont happen anytime soon, but I can dream.

                        K Im done now...

                        • 2 votes
                        #2.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:42 AM EST

                        wowed by the force....you went from Cheney defender to independent in 14 posts! Now that's real commitment! Blinded by truth and now All-American. Maybe you should have had your eyes open years ago like a lot of us had. But welcome to the fold if you're serious at last.

                        • 4 votes
                        #2.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:33 AM EST

                        No, Ive felt like this for awhile, but after the last 3 years, I miss the old days. I am still recovering from the second Obama took office, and cut jobs to nadda in the first quarter around here. Trading one evil for another. My entire life has been paid for by oil, who do you think Im gonna like more? Sorry, I dont have to like whats in office now, I dont have to like what the options are, and I dont have to entirely agree with the president I voted for (bush, cheney), he was a moron, all politicians are. Thats like a pre-requisite or something. I will say that they kept our country going a little smoother than someone else did. That also doesnt mean that I have to like either party at the moment, its a pissing contest, and really have no mind to like any of them, and havent for awhile. Does that answer your question?

                          #2.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST

                          Theymade money building a rig thy knew was faulty, and then they bought upBOOTS AND COOTS so they could clean it up...

                          ahh, I love the smell of disaster capitalism in the morning.

                          • 1 vote
                          #2.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST

                          Rockyroad--

                          You really can't tell the difference? Any examples?

                            #2.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:03 PM EST

                            wowed by the force

                            I appreciate your honesty in expressing the basis of your opinions/feelings, and it is hard to give either Party any sort of pass, as both are involved neck deep in corporate plutocracy.

                            I do however feel the need to voice disagreement with your contention that Bush/Cheney "kept our country going a little smoother than someone else did." But nothing eirher of us believe will change a damned thing!

                            Seems as though we are extracting oil and gas from the US through any method possible without regard to permanent damages to the environment caused by those extraction methods. I guess you were in the Oil Field end of recovery. I imagine you have done well, and hope you continue to live above the middle class level from which most of the rest of us find harder to achieve as well.

                            Peace

                              #2.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:59 PM EST

                              Ummm. No, not even close to over middle class, barely made lower middle class in the last two months. The only reason I made it is because of my parents. While we have made it alot easier than most people, this entire state was shut down for a very long time, and my husband one was of the first that lost his job in the recession. He went almost a year without any employment, finally got a job flipping burgers. Had to drive 35 miles to make minimum wage. I was doing odd jobs painting houses with a friend whenever we could find work. He just got his job with this company in June, and we are now almost making it paycheck to paycheck. As far as it goes, I cant see how people can hate oil when everyone uses rubber in some way or another, whether they want to or not. Everyone uses gas. Everyone uses the things that they claim to hate. We are the evil producers, we are ALL the evil users. I dont agree with fracking, but I know that we need oil, does that make sense?

                              Thank you for not being rude in your reply!

                                #2.11 - Wed Dec 7, 2011 12:14 PM EST
                                Reply

                                shouldn't be surprised that Haliburton would cover up it's involvement. It may not have been the primary cause but the fact that they destroyed evidence indicates that their part added to the enormity of the accident. After all with no evidence comes no liability.

                                • 25 votes
                                Reply#3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:19 AM EST

                                I knew Cheney was in the middle of it. I knew it all along. They need to arrest and give him the needle and throw him overboard like Osama bin Laden. worthless lying Republican. Is there any other kind?

                                • 21 votes
                                Reply#4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:28 AM EST
                                Comment author avatarMark LavalierExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                Just look at "your" president. POS. I can smell him from here.

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:34 AM EST

                                You dont need a needle for him.Just un plug him he will go down like Darth Vadar cause he looks just like him

                                • 3 votes
                                #4.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:54 AM EST

                                No, Mark, that is your corporate boss, who's @rse you have your nose planted in.

                                • 8 votes
                                #4.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:59 AM EST

                                Mark, honey, what you smell is stale booze left over from the bush/cheney regime. When bush behaved as cheney told him to, he was allowed a snifter. How else could cheney get as powerful as he is? Someone in the WH knows what was going on. Even "his daddy" left the WH in disgust when he saw cheney pulling the strings.

                                • 9 votes
                                #4.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:10 AM EST

                                Not anymore than this joke of a President will when he leaves office in 2012. get a clue Libs!!! You support the most corrupt President in history. Your so brainwashed your like a bunch of mice going through a maze looking for food!!!

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:50 AM EST

                                AMEN KEVIN!!!!! He is nothing but evil. Greedy and evil with no empathy for anyone. He ranks up there with Osama Bin Laden. I have no respect for him or W. People forget that they flew Bin Laden's family out of this country after the Towers fell and ALL OTHER PLANES WERE GROUNDED. I don't trust him and he needs to pay for his crimes against humanity. Water board his a**! Sickens me. The man has done absolutely nothing for anyone but himself. BP is probably not innocent either, they all need to have consequences...

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST

                                TBOY, you are the mouse. Corrupt? What has he done that is corrupt? You are blind. There is no comparison to W and Dick. None. You are grasping at straws. Pitiful.

                                • 1 vote
                                #4.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST

                                There are worthless, lying Democrats to if you are just looking for worthless liars.

                                Who is worse, MF Global or Haliburton?

                                  #4.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:11 AM EST
                                  Reply

                                  "Drill baby drill." Remember corporations are people too. We don't need any stinking regulations. Big business has our best interest at heart.

                                  • 25 votes
                                  Reply#5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:29 AM EST
                                  Comment author avatarbuckieboy-4078238Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  John., They do really. I want all of you Liberals who are always Mocking Businesses to START your OWN and DON'T make a PROFIT. See how long you stay in Business. The Only one's I know who can keep going without making money is OUR LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, But they don't have to .They can JUST PRINT MORE MONEY.

                                  By the way Ass Holes Cheney had nothing to do with this. Tell me something, When Bush was in Office OIL went up to $150 a Barrel, Gas was at $3.50 a gallon, Now OBLAMEA is in and OIL is at $95. a Barrel and Gas is still at $3.50 a Gallon. HOW COME, is OBLAMEA in with the OIL COMPANY'S?

                                  Shhhhhhhhhhhh He a COMMUNIST DEMOCRAT.

                                    #5.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:18 AM EST

                                    GEE, I am not surprised that no LIBERAL could answer the QUESTION, WHY IS GAS at the SAME PRICE when now it is $50. CHEAPER A BARREL. Shhhhhhhhhhhh

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:35 AM EST

                                    buckieboy....no one is suggesting that business owners not make a profit. What we LIBERALS want to tell you FOOLS on the RIGHT is that making extraordinary profits while killing workers, destroying the environment and otherwise harming everyone and everything except your PROFITS is not only MORALLY wrong, but should be considered CRIMINALLY wrong. Now, you may want your children and grandchildren to inherit an earth that has had all its fresh water supply depleted or worse destroyed by pollution, you may not care that the air will no longer be safe to breathe, or that whole food chains will be lost because you and your right wing pals decided that it was better to drive gas guzzling SUVs and make millions/billions for your immediate gratification, but the rest of us are humane and prefer to not treat the planet like a waste disposal system. I think that's the difference between LIBERALS and the rest of you.

                                    • 21 votes
                                    #5.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:37 AM EST

                                    Oh...buckieboy you make this far too easy! The reason the price of gas has not gone down to reflect the price of a barrel of oil is simple. The market doesn't demand it!! You know that free of regulation market you so adore? The one which places no regulation on speculation or price gauging. The one that eliminated rules of monopolies? The one that says hey if I can buy oil for $95 a gallon and still charge $3.50 a gallon for gas why the hell wouldn't I? Those beloved PROFITS you screamed about only increase while the oil companies and speculators gauge you at the pump. You don't like the price of gas, but an electric car. But no, you're going to sit around and let Rush Limbaugh and Fox News do your thinking for you rather than understand you made the argument both for ang against the free market in your pretzel logic that makes you want to blame the POTUS for everything.

                                    • 22 votes
                                    #5.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:46 AM EST

                                    buckieboy...gas is the same price because the oil companies are making hand over fist profits! Have you not seen their balance sheets? Oil companies are making historic profits....there's your answer as to why oil is cheaper but gas isn't!!

                                    • 12 votes
                                    #5.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:47 AM EST

                                    Right we are all safe

                                      #5.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:56 AM EST

                                      LS, your RIGHT BUT I don't hear the LIBERAL LEFT Crying like when Bush was in Office. All I heard is Bush is in with the BIG OIL, BUT not a WORD today when OBLAMEA is in Office. WHY??????????????

                                        #5.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:05 AM EST

                                        Snarkqueen, Your amazing. Words right out of OBLAMES mouth, The Republicans want us to drink DIRTY WATER and BREATH IN DIRTY AIR. Give me a Break, WHO wants to do that? Take the BULL RING out of your NOSE and QUIT being led around by a bunch of MORONS.

                                        Here is for you, Pete and Re-Pete were walking across a bridge , Pete fell over who was left?? Re-Pete Pete and Re-Pete were walking across a Bridge Pete fell over ,WHO was left? Re-Pete-- Pete and Re-Pete were walking across a Bridge Pete fell over ,Who was left? Get it. This is what you LIBERALS SOUND LIKE.

                                          #5.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:14 AM EST

                                          Buckieboy - here is for you.... sh*t in one hand and wish in the other....see which one fills up first. That is the moral of the conservaturd...

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #5.9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:32 AM EST

                                          get the speculators out of the commodity markets.......

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #5.10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST

                                          buckie boy,

                                          you might want to try to write something that people would consider intelligent or even understandable to make your point. As it is now you made yourself look rather foolish with your "Palin like" rambling discourse

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #5.11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:30 AM EST

                                          What a bunch of ignorant Lefty Loons!!

                                          Obviously too lazy or too dishonest to do a little research and realize that a company like Exxon makes about $0.04 from a gallon of gas. That's less than 10% what your State and Federal government take per gallon. It's one of the LOWEST profit margins of any industry.

                                          In the first quarter of this year, Exxon had domestic sales of 2.9 billion dollars. Sounds like a lot, right? Well, for that timeframe, they paid domestic taxes of 3.6 billion dollars.

                                          How can that be, you ask? The TRUTH (that you will NEVER hear from the liberal media wh0res) is that Exxon makes 75% of their profit from FOREIGN sales and brings that money INTO our economy.

                                          Another FACT that you won't hear is that the United States is the ONLY industrialized nation in the world that forces its corporations to pay full domestic taxes on foreign sales in addition to the foreign taxes already paid. And, of course, now that Japan has lowered their corporate tax rate, the US rate is the HIGHEST in the world among industrialized nations by a large margin.

                                          While I'm at it, let's end the LIE that oil companies get "government subsidies". What the media and the Democrats call "subsidies" are simply the SAME tax deductions that EVERY company gets for spending on research and development. One arguement you hear from the left is about the "pittance" that oil companies pay the government for leases. Naturally, they always leave out the fact that only a fraction of leases purchased are productive.

                                          In fact, the ONLY energy companies that receive actual subsidies from the government are the so-called "green" industries. They have been getting REAL government PAYMENTS for DECADES with very little to show for it. The lion's share of those SUBSIDIES have gone into the pockets of the major shareholders of those companies.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #5.12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST

                                          Dick, is that you disguised as 'foolishness abounds'?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #5.13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 1:08 PM EST
                                          Reply

                                          As Gomer Pyle would say, "Surprise, surprise, surprise!".

                                          • 7 votes
                                          Reply#6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:32 AM EST

                                          I didn't need to add the sarcasm mark, did I?!?! Because there is NO surprise here. These criminal enterprises are constantly operating as though they are above the law. Now, where are the criminal indictments???

                                          Bastards get away with murder.

                                          • 14 votes
                                          #6.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:28 AM EST

                                          Sounds like most Republicans, one lie after the other. I'm not saying some Democrats don't lie, they do, but nothing like the Republicans, hell we have a bunch in WI, starting with our Governor, which by the way will be RECALLED. It hasn't even been a month since we started collecting signatures and we are almost to the required signatures, we aiming for 1million and at this rate we will get that plus. Its time to vote the Republicans & Tea Party out of office before they destroy this country any further.

                                          • 16 votes
                                          #6.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:33 AM EST

                                          Laura, Some? Give me a break,

                                          You people in Wisconsin don't get it. You figure this out , I know it will be hard because you won't have some LYING Democrat telling you what to say.

                                          How many Worker ( People who don't work for the Gov.) does it take to Support one federal or State Worker??? Depending on their Pay, it take about 6 or 7 to ONE. That's Federal, A State Worker it is about 10 or 12 to one. Figure Salary's and Benefits. So if you have ONE MILLION Workers, that is Teachers, Policemen, Firemen, Street Cleaners, Congressmen, Senators, Governors, you need 7 to 10 MILLION WORKERS , you don't have that many People in your STATE. Now you know why we are in a mess.

                                          Every Time they get a Raise , WHO PAYS? YOU DO. Higher Taxes. I'll give you a few Months to figure that one out. Take it to your Local Demorat Office and see what they say, or your LOCAL UNION HALL.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #6.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:25 AM EST

                                          buckieboy, you must think it makes you sound especially intelligent when you throw out such figures, i.e. how many workers it takes to support a government employee. If you had half a brain, you would have linked your comment to a credible source. Don't have one? Why am I NOT surprised? LOL

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #6.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:05 AM EST

                                          or your LOCAL UNION HALL.

                                          Cue dramatic music

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #6.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:07 AM EST
                                          Reply

                                          How dare anyone besmirch the good name of Halliburton!

                                          *puffpuffpass*

                                          • 11 votes
                                          Reply#7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:32 AM EST

                                          Haliburton made millions, millions in no bid contract awards orchestrated by the dishonorable VP and his puppy dog, Bush. The Blackwater fiasco also looted taxpayers of millions and was another freak idea of the scoundrel Cheney. Haliburton reminds me of how the Chinese do business - profit first, quaility and safety concerns bring up the rear. What a disgraceful man who sat next to his nitwit little boy who tried to be a president but failed, an he also sat in the lead chair of the Senate where he contaminated that once august group of elected officials.

                                          This man deserves to be tried for war crimes.

                                          • 32 votes
                                          Reply#8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:43 AM EST

                                          Boooyaaaaa, touchdown!!! I couldn't have said this any better! Cheney NEEDS to be fully investigated and thrown in the slammer for the rest of his god forsaken, miserable, disgraceful life...

                                          • 13 votes
                                          #8.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:14 AM EST

                                          Cheney will be sanctified by the republicans, as they did with Reagan and that Hoover FBI guy. Notice how the repub/tps can fairy tale filth. No integrity, especially with the tpartiers that have taken them over. Issa should get into investigating Halliburton rather than the ridiculous issues he's trying to 'uncover.' Oh wait, he's a dirt bag too. Car thief, arsonist (unproven but suspicious). Anyone voting for a R/tp has to be totally in a dream world.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          #8.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:20 AM EST

                                          Earthgirl You Liberals make me Laugh, By the way they named a CLOCK after you Cuckoo Cuckoo

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #8.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:33 AM EST

                                          Buckieboy....instead of just resorting to insults....why don't you simply make your counter point (s)?

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #8.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:03 AM EST

                                          Pam, Buckieboy has to resort to insults. That is what people who are in defense of Cheney do. There doing so tells me VERY clearly that they are just as corrupt in their business dealings, too, and just as smug abou it.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #8.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:11 AM EST

                                          Well, Buckie...at least we have a sense of humor and can make even you laugh. Folks like you are wound so tight, I would suggest for your next corporate boondogle, have your beloved Koch brothers issue a lump of coal to all neo - conservatives. Then all of you put it next to your head - located deep in your sphincter and I'm thinking diamonds....all of you will literally sh*t diamonds...

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #8.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:50 AM EST
                                          Reply

                                          Right, like Halliburton would never provide shoddy services...

                                          /laughs

                                          • 13 votes
                                          Reply#9 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:49 AM EST

                                          Furthermore, even if they didn't, right now it's like watching rats escaping a ship.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#10 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:49 AM EST

                                          There is plenty of blame to go around here. From the faulty BOP (Transocean), to the defective cemnt job (Halliburton) and finally to BP who ignored early warning signs that there was a pressure problem. The only thing the courts should have to do is to figure out what percentage of the damages each entity should be liable for - and them force them to expedite payments to all those who have been suffering as a result of their incompetence.

                                          • 12 votes
                                          Reply#11 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 4:58 AM EST

                                          Just another turd on the pile of the stinking heap known as the Republican party.

                                          The entire Republican party is no different than your local crack dealer selling his stuff on the street corner. Every one of them should be rounded up and put in prison and never be eligible for public office again.

                                          But wait, I have a much better idea. Let's give them free seafood for life. Straight from the Gulf of Mexico. Let them eat the results of their greed and corruption and we'll see what happens.

                                          • 21 votes
                                          Reply#12 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:03 AM EST

                                          And you think Democrats are vurtuous and never do anything wrong; Bill Clinton, net worth aprox $1M when elected, $200,000 annual salary, net worth leaving office $50M. Nancy Pelosi, claims a net worth of-$200,000, but her husband is worth $1B+. Do the math and maybe you'll get it.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #12.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:32 AM EST

                                          Did you ever think maybe they invested wisely. You can thank Bush and Norquist with the all the tax cuts. Isn't that what you Republicans keep telling us, prosperity, prosperity, prosperity!!

                                          • 13 votes
                                          #12.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:39 AM EST
                                          Comment author avatarSteve-3883232Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                          SJK don't forget that only the republicans do bad things. Even when the democrats do it it's ok because they are doing it for virtuous reasons. It's a total double standard and i'm sure you will find evidence of destroyed and tampered documents eventually in the whole solyndra thing too, but it won't get much press or backlash from the democrats.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #12.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:53 AM EST

                                          That's pure speculation Steve...and you know it. Additionally the money loaned to Solyndra was loaned by the Bush administration so perhaps you should understand what you're talking about before spewing misinformation.

                                          • 8 votes
                                          #12.4 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:50 AM EST

                                          bush/cheney at work: “In 2008, President Bush, Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke crafted a bank bailout program they termed TARP or the Toxic Asset Relief Program. It was created in the middle of the night, over a weekend, because if they didn’t act by Monday they said, there wouldn’t be an America anymore. With confusion and fear in his eyes, President Bush handed the reins of power to the former CEO of Goldman Sachs. And instead of limiting himself to the $700 billion Congress grudgingly approved, Hank Paulson printed $7 trillion dollars, funneled it through the Federal Reserve and handed it over to the world’s biggest banks with no strings attached and in total secrecy.” Read about it in:

                                          http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42011/700-billion-dollar-bank-bailout-was-secretly-7-trillion571/

                                          • 7 votes
                                          #12.5 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:24 AM EST

                                          SKJ, your comment is typical of a Republican. If you can't defend your position, you attack the other side. This article is NOT about the current administration. Perhaps you need to read it again to comprehend that it is about BP suing Halliburton for their negligence that contributed to the disaster.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #12.6 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST

                                          Hmmmm...let's see....gamble millions on the potential of staying in the clean energy game or, just hand the technology over to the Chinese AND spend billions arguing, suing, cleaning up after a failed oil well... yeah I guess Solyndra was exactly like the BP oil spill...

                                            #12.7 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST

                                            Snarkqueen, Bush/Cheney rejected the loan.

                                              #12.8 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST
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                                              Anything Cheney is connected to is criminal.

                                              • 18 votes
                                              Reply#13 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:06 AM EST

                                              Halliburton......Coming soon to a fracking well near you......Of course your water will be safe to drink, just as long as you are no where an open flame..

                                              • 16 votes
                                              Reply#14 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:10 AM EST

                                              Exxon needs to drill some fracking wells adjacent to Cheney's colossal Wyoming ranch, since he was the one who secretly lobbied for non-disclosure of the chemicals used in 2003-2005. Put heavy pressure on EPA, inserted puppet Christy Todd Whittman as head and then put heavy heat for non disclosure, to protect the corporate interest, damn the drinking water etc...He needs to go to jail for a very long time.

                                              • 14 votes
                                              #14.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:21 AM EST

                                              Hey, Issa! Mr. republican investigator. Where are you?

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #14.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 8:27 AM EST
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                                              Well of course they did,just like what certain memebers of the political machine from reos to obooboo have all done and stilll are doing.Right now though it seems we have an oil company here that is going to be going thru the ringer soon after their huge oil spill overseas

                                                Reply#15 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:11 AM EST

                                                And we are surprised?

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#16 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:15 AM EST

                                                Samo...Samo.....Greed curruption....Trust in politicians...big corp....Ha Ha Ha ...what a joke

                                                • 6 votes
                                                Reply#17 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:17 AM EST

                                                Right, here we go again, it's all Bush/Cheney's fault for the entire spill along with every other issue Obama has made worse.

                                                BP failed tohave effective maintenance and contingent procedures for dealing with defective valve while the $20 billion trust fund from BP has barely been used to compensate victims of the spill. How much of it is really left and what becomes of the rest of it?

                                                Meanwhile Obama says all's well in the Gulf and the seafood is good, go there and eat some but make sure to eat the non contaminated stuff that was caught and frozen prior to the spill.

                                                That gulf area is still a mess and will be for a long time.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#18 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:19 AM EST

                                                Bush defunded the EPA section and took the inspectors down to a skeleton crew in the Gulf

                                                • 12 votes
                                                #18.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:35 AM EST

                                                Oh here we go again, blame Obama for everything, you know I am so sick of you repugs & teabaggers blaming Obama for everything, yes he added to the deficit, but remember the republicans & baggers voted for the stimulus packages too. But Obama did not cause this, it was Bush, Banks, Wall Street, when the regulations were removed, that's when everything went to hell, and it will continue until the regulations are back in place. They were put in place for a reason and worked for over 40 years since the Great Depression, it was all about GREED, and people not being responsible and now the American people have to pay the price, or should I say the middle class, poor, elderly, disabled, God forbid the wealthiest help at all.

                                                • 19 votes
                                                #18.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 6:47 AM EST

                                                Dear Laura, there is plenty of blame to go around on several issues. The economic collapse and the war in Iraq notwithstanding. Funny how the lefties always forget to mention their very complicit roles in these matters. Funny.

                                                As for the issue at hand, if Halliburton is guilty, nail their asses to the wall.

                                                  #18.3 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 11:48 AM EST
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                                                  Ultimately, it's going to come down to who can pay for the 'truth'. Given the pocketbooks of these two companies, they should just rock-paper-scissor for it and save the tax payers some money.

                                                  • 5 votes
                                                  Reply#19 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:22 AM EST

                                                  Haliburton is involved, the whole deal smacks of a scandanlous cover up, and people are surprised? Haliburton has got to be one of, if not the most, corrupt corporations on the planet. My wife used to work for their KBR subsidiary a few yrs back, not a very wholesome company to work for that is for sure.

                                                  • 14 votes
                                                  Reply#20 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:25 AM EST

                                                  Frequently those in charge do not have the necessary knowledge to perform their assigned task. It seems it is always preferred that those who are basically ignorant of the facts will not allow those on the bottom rungs of the ladder, who really know what should be done, to act. As long as the "good old boy" network continues people will suffer. There are laws of man and laws of science and nature that will always come into play, but if profit and position is all that is valued, we are all lost.

                                                  • 6 votes
                                                  Reply#21 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:25 AM EST

                                                  Until the consequences are equal to or worse than what the lying sacks of it cause, it will go on and on and on. Corporations are not bad or good, it is what the humans who run them are, and that is definately NOT good. Actually have a trial, instead of a settlement once, and let the jury do their job. Cheney seems to be one of the worst of the worst. War criminal, I think so. Justice, I doubt it.

                                                  • 15 votes
                                                  Reply#22 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:30 AM EST

                                                  so true...as of now, the expense of being caught in a lie, a coverup , a corp being at faught for the death of MILLIONS would only result in a fine that is equat to a tiny percentage of the profits gained... i.e...cost of doing business as usual in DC; People die, a tiny fine to the corp, because you can't blame those runing the corp for what teh corp does under their command.

                                                  Sun Tzo would have us behead the CEO/COO of both corps, as well as their vice-executives

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #22.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 10:50 AM EST
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                                                  There is no doubt in my mind that everyone even remotely involved in this whole fiasco is dirty and rotten to the core. The real question is why are they not checking all the supposedly "capped" oil wells that have not exploded yet? Apparently, there is a real danger of them all going up next.

                                                  • 11 votes
                                                  Reply#23 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:32 AM EST

                                                  all going up next

                                                  Really doubt the validity of that claim.

                                                    #23.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST

                                                    Yeah! This is the ONLY well Halliburton poured crap concrete down and then lied and covered it up ,Sure!

                                                    And the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny double date.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #23.2 - Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:51 PM EST

                                                    Um, Pure Rocker, where on earth did you come up with this? I am assuming you have no oilfield experience?

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #23.3 - Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:09 AM EST
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                                                    "So far, BP, the majority owner of the Macondo well, has footed the bill for the emergency response and cleanup." Ummm! if I'm not mistaken BP made money off that whole disaster.

                                                    • 11 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:35 AM EST

                                                    Please provide a link to the PROOF.......

                                                      #24.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST

                                                      GCCal Please provide a link proofing you are human and not neanderthal.

                                                        #24.2 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST
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                                                        I get it that they need to make a profit, but old dead batteries, faulty cement work, and defective parts. This reminds me of a bad movie.. All that is missing is Steven Seagal and a sack full of firearms.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        Reply#25 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 5:36 AM EST

                                                        Classic.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        #25.1 - Tue Dec 6, 2011 7:19 AM EST
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