What's disgusting about it? There are lots of weapons enthusiasts who target shoot with their family as a form of recreation. For some it's like a way of life-going to gun shows, ranges etc....just like chili cook-offs. They're just showing their interests on a Christmas caard like anybody else.

I have mixed feelings about this....As a former storefront FFL holder and a Democrat who resigned his membership to the NRA; I remember when gun ownership was enjoyed by those who were either legitimate sportsman or collectors. seems that gun ownership is now in the limited to those who never served who prefer to engage in their right wing fantasies like the twelve year olds.

@Irespond And the Drug Addicts AKA Democrats AKA Liberals AKA Flea Party are always arrogant by finding faults in others while ignoring the idiocy in who they voted for- a simple human error. The article clearly doesn't say they are forcing religion onto others; your argument in them pushing religion down our throats is stupid and irrelevant especially in modern day society. There are a lot of Atheists out there including myself that are weapon enthusiasts.

Not disgusting, just ridiculous- like posing for a photo on the street next to an expensive car that doesn't belong to you.

I think it's silly (for me), but to each his or her own. Not my place to pass judgement on anyone that is not breaking the law.

There are a lot of Atheists out there including myself that are weapon enthusiasts.

The article clearly doesn't say they are forcing religion onto others

You belong to a strange minority. Please do not tell us that people in your Republican party do not slam religion down our throats.Never mind that you are atheist, religion and Guns is the fdaily bread of your republican party.

Nothing wrong with guns. Santa holding guns is a stupid idotic Republican Christmas card that represents all of you and all your HYPOCRISY

PFFTTTT!

Cannot think of how insulted I would be to receive that type of card, and I would be sure to share my sentiments with the sender.

Classof2010 -

I will just assume by your screen name that you were too young to vote for Bush in 2000 and (unbelievably) again in 2004. Be thankful young'in, or else you would be in the stupid group with the bleeding heart liberals you so loathe!

While I think this is a bit odd, I agree with everyone who says it's fine. It is legal, and if that's what people want for Christmas so be it. See, Democrats can appreciate the second ammendment too :-)

I just knew this would get the libtards all riled up, thats why MSNBC did the story in the first place. They love to bitch about people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights but don't you dare violate their freedom of speech when they're protesting in public parks and blocking traffic.

You really make a lot of sense...Let Santa bring you a AK-47, to celebrate the 'birth of GOD" The same GOD that is trying to prevent KILLING FETUSES BECAUSE THAT IS A SIN...

Yeah see that is the rationalization of a scared little whiner. Stretch this this out to be something so that you can bash on the people you hate. You have the gall to generalize and call people hypocrites?

KiloByte1339-

Good point. Finally some rational thought.

Oh Well! I guess so...Never mind the REAL little girl that thiks that GUNS ARE TOYS whe she and other children get this DUMB Christmas card.

You really make a lot of sense...Let Santa bring you a AK-47, to celebrate the 'birth of GOD" The same GOD that is trying to prevent KILLING FETUSES BECAUSE THAT IS A SIN....

How crazy is that?????

JEZZZZ!

That would be why it is the PARENTS responsibility to teach their children proper respect for guns and other weapons, and the safety rules associated with them. It's the kids that are told guns are evil and don't ever touch them (and not a thing more) that end up shooting their friends playing power rangers or army men etc.

@Pedestrian Yes yes clearly when someone is right, the opposition will always find other faults that are so minor. It is childish and silly to even bother pointing out. Thanks for making me chuckle.

@Lolly Actually ma'am i'm glad that I never had to take part in such bureaucracy in 2000, 2004 and 2008.

A Second Amendment right to have your picture taken with Santa While holding your kid in 1 arm and a modified Ar15. Sounds like a well regulated militia to me.

And I thought the meaning of Christmas was lost when they started playing carols in the stores in Oct.

All you people that blindly labeling people "liberal" and "conservative" instead of putting forth actual valid points - thanks for ruining the country, because it's people like you that are in Washington not getting a damn thing done right now.

A Second Amendment right to have your picture taken with Santa While holding your kid in 1 arm and a modified Ar15. Sounds like a well regulated militia to me.

I know you think you have a point, but you only demonstrate that you don't know the meaning of a well regulated militia, organized and unorganized. Look it up.

I am one of those progressive liberals. Is this idea tacky? Sort of, but in a free country it is more than OK. With the headline I first thought Santa was going to be a target and that would be pushing the limit, but just to get your picture taken with a bunch of guns is very far within individual rights. Show some tolerance and lighten up.

@Brokin Your right, I rarely get my news from Fox, CNN, or MSNBC anymore. I mean the media was suppose to be the fourth institution, outside our government, that was suppose to serve as another checks & balance system.

gosh! Merry Christmas....is this a great country or what??

Isn't Arizona the birthplace of Loughner?? And you are surprised? Anything is possible in Arizona

And you would think that the "Respectable citizens" of that place would oppose something like this...

They are giving Texas a good name.

Joe,

The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What part of this do you think I don't understand?

What in this indicates that there is some connection to this amendment and this ridiculous statement-

"KiloByte1339

I just knew this would get the libtards all riled up, thats why MSNBC did the story in the first place. They love to bitch about people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights but don't you dare violate their freedom of speech when they're protesting in public parks and blocking traffic."

@Pedestrian Yes yes clearly when someone is right, the opposition will always find other faults that are so minor. It is childish and silly to even bother pointing out. Thanks for making me chuckle.

Darling, the only thing "right" about your post was the propaganda that inspired it. The errors in basic grammar weren't half as bad as the recycled, dishonest talking points.

This is such an non-issue that I can't believe it is actually being discussed. It will affect how many people in reality? How is this news?

IF I want to have my picture taken with Santa and some guns, I have that right. If a high school senior wants to hate her governor, it is her right to say so.

How that relates to religion being shoved down someone's throat, not sure...............Feel free not to take the coporate holiday and remain at work if it bothers you so. Take a stand, you show them.

Don't worry Irrespond, we have our share of people like you that think they are smarter than everyone else too..........!!

Symbol of peace and universal love? Santa? More like a symbol of rank commercialism and greed.

vwterry

A Second Amendment right to have your picture taken with Santa While holding your kid in 1 arm and a modified Ar15. Sounds like a well regulated militia to me.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

And you would think that the "Respectable citizens" of that place would oppose something like this...

They are giving Texas a good name.

Last I checked, this would fall under the category of "free speech" which means the respectable citizens of Arizona are not allowed to censor it. They're perfectly within their rights to voice concern, however, which I'm sure plenty in Arizona would. Do try not to stereotype an entire state, just as I try not to stereotype an entire political belief.

@Brokin Your right, I rarely get my news from Fox, CNN, or MSNBC anymore. I mean the media was suppose to be the fourth institution, outside our government, that was suppose to serve as another checks & balance system.

Yeah, it is pretty sad that the major news corps cater to the left and right. I tend to read a bit from them all, just keeping in mind who the news is coming from and taking it with a grain of salt.

for all those slamming this idea and acting as judgemental as a rabid sharia law muslim, if you don't like it, then don't @!$%#ing go there. pretty damn simple, eh?

Free speech indeed, and WE are free to criticize and be totally bewildered by this little "Christmas Greeting"...I don't see anyone stopping them from this ...do you?

What part of this do you think I don't understand? What in this indicates that there is some connection to this amendment and this ridiculous statement

You seem to suggest that this picture is inconsistent with a well regulated militia. Most comments about a well regulated militia in response to citizens owning guns are usually insinuating that a well regulated militia is synonymous with the military. Did I misinterpret what you were suggesting? Or were you just criticizing the current stauts of regulations?

I think this is hilarious. All you mouthy people, shut up! That's right, I said it, and I can while we still have Freedom of Speech. It's the Second Amendment that keeps all the other Rights from being taken from us. Take away people's gun rights, then watch the Republicans take away our Freedom of Speech. Grow a brain Sheeple. And wait until the Republicans get a hold of our Healthcare that we so freely gave to the government to make the decisions. Wait until the Republicans are in charge of your Healthcare and what they do with it. It's just like the abortion issue, give the government the choice and they'll be telling you when to have an abortion, like in China (it's for population control, the Government says its for your own good, so it must be so). People have no common sense or vision anymore.

PatIowa - Perfectly fine, but I would prefer that people not resort to name calling and stereotyping. You know, keeping it civil. Which a lot of people here definitely are not doing, sadly.

Why does it not surprise me this is in Arizona? The land of sick nut cases, right wing lunatics, far right religious morons? Unfortunately this kind of stupidity is to be expected in Arizona.

Awww...isn't that sweet? Arizonans really know how to celebrate the "Reason for the Season", don't they? I'll bet the baby Jesus would have been so proud.

Luke 22:36 - Jesus said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

Sounds like Jesus was OK with weapons. But don't let that keep you from an idiotic, ill informed, liberal diatribe.

The post I showed suggests that there is some sort of constitutional right to have these pictures taken. It is legal to have them taken in this manner but in no way is there a constitution right. That was my point and nothing either you or Kilo have said support anything different.

This is not an issue of constitutionality but one of debatable taste when put into the context of a holiday based on the birth of Jesus, AKA the Prince of Peace.

I think it is a great idea. If it wasn't so far I would go get one. And I have gotten 3 guns as Christmas presents and would love to get an AK-47 under the tree.

vwterry - See 1st amendment.

Hey people, this isn't any big deal. They are not harming anyone, in fact gun clubs promote gun safety. I may not want to pose with an M60 or even with a Santa Clause for my Holiday Card, but if it makes you happy; why not? What is with blaming Arizona, there are people who love this kind of stuff in every state, it has nothing to do with AZ. I don't find this offencive, but then again this year we posed half naked in black leather with a tied up Santa. Happy Holidays! LMAO! Really people complain about something more important.

Guys: Idiocy is not prohibited by the Constitution, and even though they may lack the taste they are entitled to do whatever they please. The same way that idiocy doesn't prevent some of the posters to bring the second amendment to the table, or those who claim that the second amendment keeps all the other rights from being taken from us. (Who really does that is the United States Supreme Court, not an idiot with a gun)

Actually I'm a Democrat and I kind of like the idea, the novelty of it anyway. The people look happy, what the heck. Matter of fact I think I might just skip the $5 fee and photo shop myself into the picture.

HO HO HO!!!!!!!!!!!

I think America should be grateful the NRA takes time out from all their very important restaurant business issues to protect our Fifth Amendment Rights!

I would rather pose for a Christmas Card with a firearm rather than an idiotic santa claus. Anyone who likes the idea of an overweight bearded white man sneaking into your house at night to give presents to your young child needs a lot of help to begin with, or went to Penn State.

Its as stupid as halloween, we teach our kids not to take candy from strangers then on halloween send them out to do that very thing.....????

But in whats left of America we are still free to be a stupid as we want to be.....occupy movements and democrats prove that everyday.

May this be a reminder to the OWS crowd...when the revolution happens, guess who will be better armed!

Who really does that is the United States Supreme Court, not an idiot with a gun

Yeah, kind like the Supreme Court upheld our rights by saying that corporations are people too, huh? Don't put too much faith in a bunch of overpaid lawyers owned by corporations and lobbyists. And that goes for the judges in both parties.

Luke 22:36 - Jesus said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

Sounds like Jesus was OK with weapons. But don't let that keep you from an idiotic, ill informed, liberal diatribe.

The funny thing is that you "Conservatives" always modify the bibile to suit your BS, Just as the constitution.

Luke 22:36 - Jesus said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

Funny...I don't see any swords in the picture. Oh...and you might want to look up the word "diatribe". I don't think it means what you think it means.

Luke 22:36 - Jesus said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Funny...I don't see any swords in the picture. Oh...and you might want to look up the word "diatribe". I don't think it means what you think it means.

I think the photo would look less hokey if Santa was holding a shotgun. He looks like a sissy sitting there unarmed.

Kornfed - revolution? what revolution? I remember back in the 60s hippies talking about a revolution.

Since then the government has calibrated its approach to keep people under control e.g. no draft - these days people are sufficiently comfortable (or sedated) to post angry stuff on the internet and leave it at that.

rebuttal - As far as the pop guns you can buy at your local armory protecting you against the government. I seem to recall a Marine in Arizona with an assault rifle that was blasted to death in a bungled police raid. If he hadn't had a gun he probably would have been the recipient of a good sized settlement for something or another.

Purnell, do you possess a sense of humor?

As far as the pop guns you can buy at your local armory protecting you against the government. I seem to recall a Marine in Arizona with an assault rifle that was blasted to death in a bungled police raid. If he hadn't had a gun he probably would have been the recipient of a good sized settlement for something or another

So this would be your argument as to why one should never arm themselves?

The gun club's next special deal is 'Buy a gun and if you can shoot Christ off the cross with five rounds or less you get 10% off your next purchase of ammo!"

Sorry about the double-post above. I got an error message saying it couldn't be posted, so tried again and it posted it twice.

I did not state "one should never arm themselves" I merely offer the reality that if you think the weaponry available to citizens will stop the government you will wind up with a sheet over you. If you want to use it for any of the many things a gun is useful for then that's a right that needs to be protected. Way too much over heated rhetoric on this subject - not to play ju jitsu with your own rhetoric but a gun is a tool - if you want to shoot a deer it's a good tool - or defend yourself against a possible criminal threat if you want to use it to fashion the political environment you want - it's a very bad tool.

Brokinarrow: I can always hope that the justices in the supreme court at one point will do what is right. I can not assure the same outcome when it comes to an idiot with a gun. And don't get me wrong, I am not for gun control, because law abiding citizens don't go robbing people with guns, and criminals do not follow the law to purchase their guns.

But I can always hope that Congress will change the errors of the Supreme Court. Check the link with the introduction of the amendment to correct Citizens United v FEC (http://www.scribd.com/doc/71154073/A-Constitutional-Amendment-to-Reform-Campaign-Finance). I like a million times the idea of a stupid court than a numbnut with a weapon, we can change the errors of the court, we can never change the errors of stupid with a weapon (as you have seen with the shootings in Arizona).

Congratulations to all participants.

This is the single most "collapsed" thread in the history of newsvine:o)

"It's been really fun," said Brooke Rodda, a spokesperson for the club. "We've had a tremendous response from the community."

This mode of thinking/non- is completely incomprehensible to me. I don't understand how killing someone or something constitutes fun in any reasonably intelligent person's mind. I guess that's the answer right there. It's not possible to be reasonably intelligent and engage in imbecilic behavior such as this.

Stop giving these gun enthusiasts a hard time. These weapons are for hunting and personal defense. I mean it's not strange for someone to use a H&G AG36 with grenade launcher to defend your home. And there is no better way to bag that 16 poiter than a few bursts with your MG3 mounted on the back of your H2. Am I right??

Must have read something between the lines there, Mort. Nothing in this article about the guns even being fired - let alone used to kill anyone or anything. You do realize that there are thousands of shooting enthusiasts - including Olympic athletes - who shoot TARGETS (paper or clay), right? Or were you unaware of that? Just because you prefer a nice, quiet game of canasta with your friends doesn't mean others are wrong for enjoying a nice, loud bang and the satisfaction of watching a beer bottle explode into a million pieces.

I wouldn't personally want this as my Christmas card. But, I tend to find most family photo Christmas cards a little on the tacky side even without an automatic weapon backdrop.

Reminds me of the abortion clinic where they all dressed as elves.

I don't think anyone on here wants the government to say you can't take this picture (thus infringing upon your 2nd amendment rights). We just feel the need to point out how completely idiotic the NRA and its members can be. How absolutely oblivious to life and reality can you be? It is hilarious how absolutely dumb these people look, posing with guns and Santa. This is seriously a point and laugh type of situation. Is that really what you want, for the majority of the world to be pointing and laughing at how dumb you are? I promise you that the people who are taking these pictures have very low IQ. Otherwise, you would see the idiocy of this.

More people die in car accidents and drugs than guns licensed owned. This picture brought a lot of controversy by the the ones that wan to limit our constitutional rights, all kind of names and adjectives where given to the gun owners, however more damaged cause programs like " fast and furious" from DOJ of this administration that end with the unjustified dead of a border police, precisely to demand gun control.Who has lower IQ ?

It is silly---

---but where do you get these people are NRA members? Do you even know how small a percentage of gun owners the NRA can even claims as members? Besides that, are you even aware of the NRA's huge program in firearms education?

This is an _Arizona— gun club

I think the one called "Classof2010" means he/she is a teatard tea party member or whatever the silly hat wearing group are calling themselves these days.

As for the picture, that is the worse looking Santa I have ever seen. Let these idiots pose with their guns. They are so insane, no one is ever going to make them see the seriousness this picture portrays them. They are NOT pro-life, they are Pro-War and think of themselves as superior beings because they live by the "sword". Someone before was mocking someone for quoting a bible verse and said, what, I don't see a sword in the picture. There wasn't guns when the verse was written. JEEZZZ what idiots.

Justiceforall - Good points, and thanks for posting that link. I can only hope that thing gets passed, but somehow I worry that both state and federal congressmen won't want to impose limits on themselves. Who knows though, maybe some rational thought will finally prevail!

I think that some people on here are confusing "Tolerance" with "Passivity". I can be tolerant of wack-a-doodle, gun nuts, but that doesn't mean I have to sit passively by while biting my tounge. For those making the comments about liberals and how we're only tolerant if we agree with you, you're wrong. We're only passive if we agree with you. We're tolerant if we don't, but perfectly free to express our opinions or influence culture or thinking. Just as those on the right are. I can be tolerant of you without acquiescing to your views. Intolerance... well that's when people actively try to force you into their mold. Like, instead of refraining from having an abortion and staying out of other people's choices, they try to force you to live their way by enacting laws/bans.

So here is me being tolerant...

I have no real problem with gun ownership, per se, but the pedestal some place guns on is batsh($ crazy. Please, can someone name any other inanimate object that we would take pictures with and mail in Christmas cards??? Perhaps this year I'll pose with Santa and my filing cabinet, or laundry basket??? This is such a perfect illustration of my beef with gun nuts. I've yet to hear any gun enthusiast make a rational argument or present non-biased data in support of gun ownership. They inevitably fall back upon illogical fear mongering, or personal insults when they're unable to answer my claims. The reason some people are so crazy about guns isn't because they're such wonderful tools of self defense or deter crimes or protect our freedom, it's because they're sexy. They make mundane, ordinary people, living mundane ordinary lives, feel excitement and power. Of course if you all realized that, you'd have to admitt that you're life is mundane and ordinary. And wouldn't that be a kick in the pants. So instead you buy into these fear mongering arguments put forth by the NRA, who by the way has a vested interest in keeping you buying into them, seeing as they make gazillions of dollars off our your illogic.

And P.S...

Shouldn't you gun enthusiasts be shooting people like Santa Clause, as opposed to taking a picture with him? I mean, he is a "home intruder". Quick, it's your most likely never in a lifetime chance to actually get to legally shoot someone... Blow his jolly old ass, back to the North Pole, where he belongs!

Sarah...I don't consider myself either a Democrat or a Republican...I like issues on both sides. To me, these political names just confuses me more. As for the idiots who like to put "tard" in the mess...please stop. It's offensive...and you sound stupid.

I DO like what you said and how you said it. I could never find the right words.

Merry Christmas, Sarah...

Shouldn't you gun enthusiasts be shooting people like Santa Clause, as opposed to taking a picture with him? I mean, he is a "home intruder". Quick, it's your most likely never in a lifetime chance to actually get to legally shoot someone... Blow his jolly old ass, back to the North Pole, where he belongs!

Sorry, but the rest of your argument kinda went out the window on that one. I'm a gun enthusiast, and I hope I never have to turn them on another human being. Stop stereotyping everyone please. And if you want present, non-biased data in support of gun ownership - Just watch the news sometime, especially news from large cities. There are home invasions, burglaries, all sorts of violent crime every day. Just because it hasn't happened to YOU does not mean it hasn't happened to others, and as I keep reminding people, the police officers don't just magically appear in your house when you call them.

Blue Panther,

Merry Christmas right back!

BrokinArrow,

In no way did I say crime didn't exist. I'm saying there's more to that argument then simply "A gun will keep me safe from crime." Watching the news tells me nothing about that. You have to look at the mentality of the victim, the circumstances of the crime, the other options for deterrance/protection that were/weren't used, the motive of the criminal...

For example, the most common form of sexaul assault is date rape, where you know the perpetrator. So, if you think that a gun would protect a female from date rape you have to believe that...

1. She has the calmness and presence of mind to realize a rape is occuring (most woman face huge guilt after being assaulted because they freeze, as oppose to fight), and come to the conclusion that she's going to fight.
2. She's physically capable of fighting him off long enough to get to her gun.
3. She's mentally capable of pointing gun with confidence, and maintaining possession of it, all the while still mentally processing the assualt that's occuring.
4. She's mentally capable of shooting someone she knows, and may even care about.

And the same could be said for men. Guns are not a one size fits all solution that advocates make them out to be. How will possessing a firearm help me if I'm caught in a drive by shooting??? It will be over with before I even know what happened. That's what I'm getting at. Gun advocates attempt to simplify crime, criminals, and victims.

It's not about whether crime happens, it's about the type of crime, the type of victim, the type of criminal, the type of environment, all having to come together in a certain way to make guns a logical tool of self defence. The odds are way greater that I drop dead of a heart attack, though no one ever advocates that I travel with an AED.

Sarah--

You're right that a gun doesn't guarantee anything. You're right that in the grand scheme of things for some people it may be a liability.

But it's not for you or me to decide what is the right decision for another individual.

(1) I've been the vicitim of 2 crimes that precipitated the purchase of a gun. I recognize that a gun is merely a tool that lies last on the continuum of self defense, but if it comes down to it I want it available to me and it's my own decision.

(2) I've a female friend who was threatened by her now ex-husband. I have no doubt when she says he was going to kill her. She had a pistol. She didn't even need to shoot - but it was the reason he didn't lay a hand on her that night. I have no reason to doubt her.

(3) I've another friend who was threatened by 2 people at a rest-area after dark. They had a knife; he had a gun. He was able to remove himself without firing the weapon, but without it he is certain that he would have been stabbed.

(4) I hunt.

(5) I have shot competitively and enjoy it

The only thing I know is that it is a right and a personal choice, and it is a mistake to generalize the majority of gun owners based on a few morons who get their face on MSNBC.

Mark,

I totally agree with you. I've never advocated outlawing guns, or even concealed carry. There are definite times, domestic violence, being among them, that they would be a logical deterent or safety measure. My issue has always been, not with the guns, but with the fear mongering of gun advocates. I truly feel that the greatest steps we can take toward a safe society, is to cease fear mongering and investing in deadly weapons because of illogical arguments. I would love to see our culture "keep it real" so to speak, and develop into one where we no longer illogically believe everyone "needs" a gun to be safe or remain free, but if you "want" to have one, that's cool.

I've had this argument many a time, and not just on the MSNBC vine, I've had it with cops, former soldiers, college students, family, friends, hippies, liberals, activists, yada, yada, yada, so please believe me when I say I'm not just generalizing. I am much appreciative of those who can see the reason behind what I'm getting at, instead of automatically jumping into the "boogieman" argument. So I thank you for that.

There's fear mongering in both of the lobbying camps. Handgun control perpetuates lots of fear about weapons are capable of... about whether you'll even get to your gun... that a gun in your home will be used on you... etc etc. There's all the misnomers involving the definition of "assault weapons" and what the AWB really means (and functionally it means very little because it's based on cosmetic differences and not capabilities). Personally I think we should have access to whatever weapons a typical patrol officer might carry (non-automatic varieties), or their functional equivalents, for self defense.

At the end of the day, all of it is irrelevant. I made my own rational choice. It bugs me that other people are trying to mess with that choice. This includes the pro-gun crowd that make bad PR.

Sarah-3043284

"I have no real problem with gun ownership, per se, but the pedestal some place guns on is batsh($ crazy. Please, can someone name any other inanimate object that we would take pictures with and mail in Christmas cards???"

Christmas trees, cars, houses, etc.

Like you said they are just inanimate objects (or tools if you prefer), I really don't understand why people make such a big deal either way.

Well, they turn little d!cks into large pr!cks.

I personally would not use a picture like this for a card. However If someone did then it would not bother me.

Looking at the cards hanging on my banister I have one with pictures of dos, houses, the fireplace, sporting goods and a tractor. Seems that some of my friends and family like to take pictures of things that interest them. These folks are the same way in my opinion. Guns interest them and they are getting a holiday card depicting things that they like.

What is of particular interest to me is the number of liberals here who want to stifle tier speech. Ridicule and public humiliation are regularly used by people to stifle the views of others. Ask a homosexual if being made fun of and publically ridiculed played a role in them remaining in the preverbal closet. Point being that the shallow attempts to say that these post are not meant to stifle the speech of others in hogwash……….they are simply mean spirited attempts by radicals to force the views of a few down the throats of the rest. True liberal thinking and tolerant people would be appalled by most of these anti freedom post.

you have to be kidding of course. i would only use it for a joke & i would be careful who i send it to. (but to each american ,Freedom Of Speech).

Gun lunatics taking a picture with Saint Nick - priceless!!!!!

Hear, hear!

DILLON AERO.......das auto.

Same old Same old... Maybe some wack job, who poses with these idiots, will get his hands on a weapon and massacre innocent people. Don't they in Arizona remember Tucson? Gun enthusiasts can't seem to answer the question...how do we keep guns away from the nuts?

To answer willy's question, gun nuts don't like chick's in bikinis. They get turned on by AK-47s.

Yeah, when I was a military weapons trainer, we got that poster of Christie Brinkley in the white bikini, and used camo tape to make it suit our situation! And for those who like the full auto - YES! I burned 800 rounds of tracer through a couple of M16's one night, loads of fun! Really hard on the guns, though. Barrels were WHITE hot! Cleaning was a lot easier if you had a vat of dry cleaning solution.

Simply sick

Peace on Earth

Prince of Peace

THis is just so totally wrong in every way shape and form. But the gun lovers will never see that.

Perthaps they shooud judt shove their guns up their ------- and F with them. They love them more than they would ever love God, Jesus qnd the measage of love that this season is all about.

Luke 2:13-14 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

This is what the Angel told the shepards when he spoke of Christs Birth. How you can corrupt this with such filth is beyond me. Even an athiest who does not beleive, can appreciate the message of love and peace that is in the Bible. (Not the corrupted version practiced by so called Organized Religion in the US. Too bad those who think this type of filth is OK never really get what God and Christ are about.

Awe heck, cant wait for December 10th. You better believe I will be driving on up to Scottsdale to have my photo taken!

Bit puzzled at the heading though "AZ gun club offers santa shoot". I was looking forward to the opportunity of shooting santa. Oh darn.

Frankly True

"Simply sick

Peace on Earth

Prince of Peace

THis is just so totally wrong in every way shape and form. But the gun lovers will never see that.

Perthaps they shooud judt shove their guns up their ------- and F with them. They love them more than they would ever love God, Jesus qnd the measage of love that this season is all about.

Luke 2:13-14 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

This is what the Angel told the shepards when he spoke of Christs Birth. How you can corrupt this with such filth is beyond me. Even an athiest who does not beleive, can appreciate the message of love and peace that is in the Bible. (Not the corrupted version practiced by so called Organized Religion in the US. Too bad those who think this type of filth is OK never really get what God and Christ are about."

Christ is truly about peace, but that doesn't mean he is anti-gun or that guns are sick. Sick are those who kill for no reason. Guns just happen to be the tool some use.

Sick is claiming a tool is evil when only the very few who use it for evil are sick.

Guns are owned by people from all walks of life, including those who supposedly hate free people from owning guns, like Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer who both own guns and have concealed carry permits while they would deny that freedom to everyone else. The issue has nothing to do with God or Jesus. It only have to do with those who want to legally enjoy a right and those who want to take that right away because of a tiny minority of the population.

Dude I don't know who you think you are but you need to pull your head out of your Bible's a** and realize that guns don't determine if a person is "psyco" or a "devil worshiper." I get sick and tired of people judging others for having guns. Just because a small amount of people use them to harm, the rest of us use them for their intended purpose; hunting, target shooting, and protection from said psyco's who some how ended up with a gun.
I say if these family's want to take a picture with Santa, a SAW, a Mini Gun, and a Shotgun, leave them be! If you don't like what they are doing then don't do it yourself! (what a hell of a concept....huh?) And whatever you (or anyone at that) would like to say further, how about you write it on a piece of paper, wad it up into a ball, shouve it straight up your "tight wad" a**!

I'm with you. If you want freedom you keep guns. Ck out what Hitler did. Obuma has learned from Hitler.

".....fighting for peace....kinda like screwing for virginity...." hmmmmm

Frankly True:

You need to get laid, dude.

Seriously, you'd think with all the fire power those Arizonians have and after teething their babies on ammo clips, they'd be able to take care of their own borders.

lol what a bunch of white trash losers!

Believe me if they let us Arizonians patrol the border with our guns we would not have a border problem!! We like hot girls and guns at the same time. Go check out any Dillon Aero calendar!!

WTF is this. I love guns and have noting against it, but to Use HOLY days and santa ( our children most cherrish man) to promote guns is %$#@ up. What's next, santa for war? santa flying B-52 load with bombs instead of flying reindeer fill with gifts. Using christmas to promote gun clubs is really stupid, christmas and Santa is for love and peace, anything relate to killing and war should not be there even it's only for fun. Remember the muslim using their Holydays and Allah to promote killings the infidels? we'll get there if we let these neo-con gun nuts war monger like these run the country.

And I thought this story was gonna be about an AZ gun club which was sponsoring an opportunity to shoot Santa. I mean, really, at a turkey shoot, you shoot turkeys. At a goose hunt, you shoot a goose. So why not shoot Santa at a Santa Shoot ? You know, get back at him for all the bad Christmas presents he brought, year after year. How many bags of Wal-mart socks can you use anyway.

@mikela,

they tried but were sued by BO who said that only the Federal Government could patrol the borders. But the Feds have failed to do that.

Now dash away, dash away, befor they shoot y'all.

Well, if the kids are taught proper gun and proper respect for the weapons, we'd have a lot less shooting accidents in this country. Or we could just keep them entirely ignorant of the subject and then wonder why they accidentally shoot their friend when they break into dad's gun cabinet to "play" modern warfare with their friends.

* should read "proper gun safety and proper respect for the weapons"

Throw in a little proper respect for human life and the birth of Jesus and you might be right.

Respect for human life, yeah that obviously goes with being a responsible parent. Respect for the birth of Jesus - sorry, but not everyone in this country is Christian, and parents are free to teach their children to worship whichever deity they so chose, per the constitution.

Including GUNS! yea! Is this a great country or what? I know, even better, if they armed Santa too!

Brokenarrow,

Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. This story is about pictures being taken for Christmas. Honestly I don't think Christmas has any true meaning these days, regardless a persons religion. This is the absolute definition of "Crass commercialism".

vwterry - Yeah, that is the sad truth, just look at the crazies that come out on Black Friday. Now that I'm older I look forward to the holidays as a time to reconnect with family.

I think it is a great idea. If it wasn't so far I would go get one. And I have gotten 3 guns as Christmas presents and would love to get an AK-47 under the tree.

Seriously, why isn't Santa armed too? even more fun!

it's already there.we are armed to the hilt.

Serious, honest question for the weapon enthusiasts: What are your thoughts on this: at what point do we draw the line on what arms we have a right to bear? Should I be allowed to make, own or buy 5000lb bombs, "daisy-cutters", attack drones, nukes? What are your thoughts?

Would you feel comfortable knowing that your schizophrenic neighbor was mounting explosives on rockets? What do you think? Where is the line or should there not be a line? Thank you.

Hal - Obviously citizens don't need to own large explosives (without an official reason, say you're a hollywood special effects guy or an explosives expert), and those with mental illnesses should definitely not be owning any type of weapon.

Machine guns definitely tow that line, but most states that I know of require some pretty extensive background checks and strict rules on issuing the permits to even own such a weapon. So, in theory, anyone that would use such a weapon against actual people hopefully would never get their hands on one LEGALLY. But we all know that's not going to be the case 100% of the time.

Thank you Brokinarrow for your non-smart-ass response. ( your name is appropriate for the question I asked.) I was asking because I remember hearing one lady saying that *all* Americans should be allowed to have guns without exception and she went so far as to explicitly include children, ex-cons and the mentally ill. and no waiting period. I thought that this was taking it a bit far as I'm sure everyone here would.

Hal - Yeah, definitely agree with you on that. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they instituted a one time gun ownership class before anyone could buy a weapon (on top of other standard background checks and such). Teach them all the proper safety rules and how to care for the weapon and keep it in a safe place etc, maybe throw in the weapon laws of your state along with it. Personally I like the way I was trained in weapon handling - mess up and you have an angry DI throwing you on the ground :-D But somehow I don't think everyone would go for that lol.

R.I.P.

Yeah just like Fox has nother better to do then count how many times a president mentioned god in their thanksgiving address.

To bad Fox does not do more reporting on the parent company News Corp who has had more charges made against their corupt rear ends

serpcom-

Sounds like you are defending MSNBC just because Fox does it too. Just call a spade a spade and get your actual news from someplace credible.

<sarcasm>Agreed. We don't need them liberals finding out about this sort of thing, cause then they might try to take them guns away! Because thats the liberal agenda- to take away the guns.

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They look like a well regulated militia to me.

who else read the title and thought that it was about hunting santa, like a turkey shoot?

msnbc sucks at writing proper titles...

I don't know...I think Texas would have been my first guess.

Oh, I can think of several states actually! There are nutballs everywhere!

Yap, Cameron Ford, you got that one right. On the other hand, two other big contenders are Alaska and Texas.

They just passed a law to carry guns almost anywhere in Arizona. This was after the Giffords shooting. I believe people should protect themselves and have concealed carry laws, but this is totally ridiculous. If adults want to take pictures with guns, that's their right, but leave the children out of this.Texas has concealed carry laws, but we are not yet as bad as Arizona. Thank goodness.

Don't leave me out I'm from Louisiana.

Slipping? Look in American schools right now and how the respect for one another's culture in society has diminished. You worry more about guns yet you seem to ignore the fact that this country alone is engulfed in bureaucracy and corruption. Typical uneducated American.

Yep - Uneducated - must have sat right next to you on the school bus. Bureaucracy and corruption have always been around - the culture of Christmas and Guns do not mix pal - whether you're a Christian, Jew, Mormon, or even a Muslim, you can't combine them and have credibitlity...oh but I'm uneducated so I'll just go get me a gun and show how powerful I can be in my simple mind - loser...make a relevant comment!

I agree with "confused and concerned"- and I am very educated. (Oh wait, according to Glenn Beck that makes me an idiot! Only he is the uneducated idiot.) Really, what makes us any better than extremists in the Mid-East with ridiculous "people" like this making a mockery of Christmas and what Christ stood for!!!!

Really, what makes us any better than extremists in the Mid-East with ridiculous "people" like this making a mockery of Christmas and what Christ stood for!!!!

Because we don't kill our daughters for looking at a man the wrong way maybe? If you think this country is anywhere close to being as bad as the mid-east, I invite you to move there for a year or two and let us know your opinion afterward... assuming you aren't stoned to death while there.

Confused and Concerned- yeah, corruption and bureaucracy have always been around, but you can't deny it's been getting a lot worse of late. This whole "corporations are people" nonsense is a prime example.

LM,

I'm mildly confused by your comment.

posing for pictures with firearms= walking into a crowed market and blowing yourself up in the name of your religion

Where do you get that? Are you insane? Clearly guns do not promote the idea or spirt of the Christmas holiday, but you blow this out of proportion, and make yourself look like a fool when you say things like that. It's just a picture, and a novelty one at that.

Of course we are why is that surprising? I thought libs believed all men were equal? If Afghanis and Iraqis are "barbarians deep down" then aren't we too? :)

Guns don't "promote" anything. They sit there. They're metal. They're inanimate. They occupy space and sometimes move through it.

With all due respect for your military service, John, guns make it faster for morons to kill other people, or at least do serious property damage.

I agree. Seems like we have lost our way. So much selfishness and crassness everywhere. Dragging children into maudlin pictures for self-gratification is probably the lowest I've seen, but its early days yet.

@JohnUSMC

Only in America can you pepper spray someone in the face and no charges are filed. I'm not even talking cops pepper spraying people. I'm talking everyday abnormal folks pepper spraying people in the face.

This is a picture of 3 frightened people. The woman is afraid to tell the yokel she doesn't like guns, Santa is afraid of both of them, and the yokel is afraid of everyone. If he wasn't he wouldn't need guns to protect himself.

Melissa-1175724-1762238 - So do knives and cars. You know how many times I've nearly been sideswiped by some idiot in a huge SUV blabbing on their cell phone and driving down the interstate?

Anyway, if there are MORONS with guns out there (because there are), would it not make sense for us reasonable and responsible adults to own weapons as well? That way we can defend ourselves from said morons if that need should ever arise (hoping that it won't of course).

One point I forgot to tack on to that post melissa - Guns don't do a whole lot of property damage, honestly, unless you have some REALLY big ones, which most of your average "morons" aren't going to have. Back to my earlier example, CARS would do a whole lot more property damage in the hands of an imbecile. If I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could total a house with my car. No way I could do that with my rifle or handgun.

Brokinarrow: you're just not trying hard enough.

I own several guns... I don't need to show them off to make myself feel better... All this does is says "Look at me. I'm and idiot..."

Well keck...Seems as though right wing pusses need to brush up on their critical thinking skills!

@Torpedo Lol concerning the amount of idiots that are developing in liberal public schools across America vs. private i'd say otherwise. Such an oxymoron.

...they seem to be having some fun with it, dont they ?

why not ? ....i mean it would be different if there was an anti obama poster in the back.

...this just seems like fun....yet, some folks on here see it as a direct threat on them....get over yourself.

They dont like guns, hate them with a passion, but not only do they make a decision to not like guns (which I would respect and support) but they also want to make that decision for everyone else also.

Exactly. If you don't like guns, fine, don't buy one.

Really shocks me the level of complete disregard for the fact that the root cause of everyone's distrust of guns is just the utter inefficacy of law enforcement. Why does nobody blame police for not feeling safe in a country with widespread gun ownership? The fact that gun availability is equated to a dangerous situation is indicative of a presumption that police protection simply doesn't exist.

Azrancher,

Kind of like the republicans with abortion, birth control and gay rights. All sorts of contradictions on both sides of this issue. To me a gun at Christmas is no more or less crazy or off than Santa.

Despite possibly shooting my eye out, I'm still hopiong for my Red Rider BB Gun this Christmas.

And Santa wasn't one of the three wise men who showed up at the birth of Christ. Santa does not represent Christ being born.

You seem unsure about your post.

Mary must be another conflicted christian. Either that or she is unsure that god will forgive them or that they know not what they do. Which is it Mary? Inquiring minds want to know.

Wow JFC ...that was dumb

Santa has a beard and he dresses funny and he's from a different country. That would scream TERRORIST and "shoot first, think later" to any of these gun nuts under any other circumstance.

I'm not a "gun nut", however I do find it interesting that if a person likes guns he or she is considered a nut by some. The same term could be said of anyone who is enthusiastic about anything: golf nut, exotic car nut, sports nut, triathlon nut, sex nut, religious nut, peanut nut, etc.

Folks, these are the people that you want to own guns. They are law abiding, not street thugs with a pistol. Most of the laws concerning guns are fairly useless anyway. If you think about it for even one second it should become clear to the average Joe that criminals don't care or abide by those laws...that's probably because they are CRIMINALS.

Let these people have their guns. It has absolutely no affect on your life and quite frankly it is none of your or my business.

That said: Santa and guns? I don't see the connection.

As if we are all going to rush out to Scottsdale in the 1st place

I am sure the feeling is mutual.

I hung a bullet in a tumbleweed one year for my Christmas tree. Get it? Cartridge in a Bare Tree.

Like the year I bought my lovely wife a pink Remington 870 for Christmas. And I want to buy my grandkids Chipmunk .22s.

What in the world are you talking about?

Typical conservative babble.

Typical Arizona mentality, sad to say.

No, we just dislike rank stupidity such as you display.

sosad dan, Too bad the world does not see all the way you do. You are so brilliant.

The Winter Solstice is the reason for the season. That's not ideology; it's fact. The Winter Solstice celebrates the victory of life over death, of light over darkness. Guns, especially automatic weapons, are instruments of death. They represent the complete opposite of everything this season stands for.

I bet you watch FOX news....

Did anyone else read that post as "Liberals seem blah blah blah blah"? 'cuz any post that begins with "Liberals seem..." or "Conservatives seem..." or "Democrats seem..." or "{Insert your favorite group to hate on} seem...." looks a whole lot like "blah blah blah" to me....

Maybe it's just me.

agreed...This type of hype gives responsible gun owners a bad name.

Never seen anybody I know who hunts wearing a Santa suit holding a shotgun around kids..

I think the Arizona weather and lack of water has made those folks unable to think properly.

Our right to bear arms is protected and the right to free speech..

jUST SHAKING MY HEAD....

Then look at the new santa movie out Santa is dressed in militarty garb delivering toys..

Americans should really protest this and exercise the freedom of speech thing by not taking the kids to see that movie..(saw a preview of it when I went to see puss in boots, a nice kidd film but the advertisement for the military santa outraged me...ARTHUR CHRISTMAS SANTA IS DRESSED UP LIKE A MILITARY GENERAL AND THE ELVES ARE DRESSED UP LIKE SOLDIERS THIS IS WRONG ON MANY LEVELS AND I HOPE CLERGY AND MINISTERS WILL WARN FAMILIES DO NOT TAKE YOUR KIDS TO SEE THIS MOVIE...MAYBE THE MOVIE HAS A NICE STORY LINE BUT THE FACT IS SANTA HAS NOW BECOME A COMMANDO MILITARY FIGURE..BRAINWASHING OUR KIDS THIS IS JUST WRONG

FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALSO EQUALS FREEDOM TO NOT SPEND MY MONEY ON A BOGUS MOVIE

can we allow the children to be children without ruining the holiday with this garbage ?

Right there with ya Virginia voter. I would also add the word "stupid" to your description.

Have you not seen gun magazines this time of year before? Really?? It is stupid, I agree, but harmless. Do we really suspect that someone is going to receive one of these cards and have their child harmed for life?

I don't find it any more stupid that a dog with a santa hat or the newsletters that people send to everyone that they have an address for and I see plenty of both of them. To each, their own!

readabook - it has to go much deeper than not spending money on a movie. The corporations behind those movies (sony, viacom, disney, etc.) are supported by investors. Many people do not realize it but by investing in mutual funds and other types of stocks they are inadvertently supporting things they absolutely disagree with. Do you know where your 401k or other retirement funds are invested? Do you know what stocks your mutual funds (ie Magellen, Fidelity, etc.) are investing in? Investors insist on a return and right now our society is so corrupt that this sort of trash passes as entertainment and sells tickets. And it goes deeper than that. Just look at all the money is spent on advertising this junk and how it is linked to just about any consumable product imaginable. Especially products aimed at children.

What really should bother EVERYONE ON HERE.. all the TV commercials for Arthur. They show arthur in a sweater and no photos of the santa militia or the elfs in camo. Look THINK 5 YEAR OLDS

You have a gun, you know what you have to go through to own and carry one. Firearms lessons, registry etc...This is a bad thing all the way around. AND YES WHEN YOY BOYCOTT A MOVIE IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

watch rudolph the rednosed reindeer..THE ELFS AND SANTA ARE NOT DRESSED AS COMMANDOS

Miracle on 42nd street...don't remember Santa and Machine guns in that movie either

Santa at the mall no gun

The people in the photo need to be called out. BY GUNS OWNERS You guys on here KNOW THIS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR FOR SMALL CHILDREN TO SEE...Kids need to have there first experience with a firearm with parents NOT WITH SANTA ...THE 2 ISSUES ARE NOT THE SAME...

AND SHOULD NOT BE TOGETHER...YOU HAVE YOUR Gun show magazines and etc YOU KEEP UM LOCKED UP IN THE GUN SAFE AWAY FROM THE SMALL KIDS...

I SAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO SAY LET THE 5 YEAR OLD CHILDREN ENJOY CHRISTMAS when they get older THEN YOU SHOW THEM THE RIGHT WAY to handle a firearm, these idiots are a perfect example OF WHAT NOT TO DO WITH A FIREARM OR GUN CLUB

Ok I was 5 when I got my first 22 for christmas was the best chistmas of my life . got my first 410 shotgun on christmas when i was 6 and have had guns in my life ever since I can remember . Guess what . never once considered useing it in crime . never considered useing it for anything more than fun .

JUS BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THINGS DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO DOES NOT MEAN ITS WRON GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR