An undocumented worker from Honduras with two other undocumented workers from Mexico just stabbed to death a 40 year old woman in a walmart parking lot trying to steal her car, the farm or company that employed them should be charged with accessory to murder. Get these people out of my country now... In NY

The despicable treatment of these people and their working conditions are yet additional reasons that our immigration laws MUST BE ENFORCED. It is absolutely appalling that our government permits these companies to partake of blackmarket labor, to depress wages for American workers and LEGAL immigrants, and to treat the ILLEGAL workers in the manner that they do. This story is JUST BEGGING FOR OUR GOVERNMENT TO ENFORCE ITS IMMIGRATION LAWS! ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND THE PROFITEERING LAWBREAKING EMPLOYERS cannot be permitted to continue!

They make the mess they live in and Open Border groups are responsible for their problems and the problems illegals bring this country. Is your politician an Open Border supporter? Do they support E-verify? If they don't then they are indeed an Open Border supporter.

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Your type of person makes ME want to throw up. Blaming the persons stuck in this situation and ignoring the fact that the farmers are the ones who created and perpetuate this situation.

It's the farmers who HIRE these folks (they don't come here just for the heck of it - they come here for the JOBS BEING OFFERED TO THEM)

It's the farmers who pay less than minimum wage.

It's the farmers who provide substandard living conditions (toilets, bedbugs and all)

It's the farmers who force these people into this situation.

So when you blame the worker, you best pull your head out of your a.. and start using more of your brain than what the right wing fanatics tell you to use.

The FARMERS are the problem. The EMPLOYERS are the problem. If it weren't for them - these illegals wouldn't be here.

This is nothing more than modern day slavery. All you people talk about the "GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS" blah blah blah, you have no idea WTF you're talking about. It's not the government that needs to to its job--it's the people, the Americans, who hire these workers, knowing full-well they are illegal, just so they can save a few bucks. These immoral, low-down, profit-hungry employers would still utilize slavery if they could, but this is the next best thing. All you haters and racists can stand on your soapbox and bleat about the government and the liberals day-in and day-out, but it's not getting you anywhere, is it? You need to start preaching to a lower level of filth--the corporate farmers like Big Tobacco--and see where that gets you. Isn't capitalism AWESOME?!

PrecededByNone---

You're comments are moronic! Given that the lawbreaking employers are inclined and ARE IN FACT treating these people like slaves--- who do you think is available to stop this--- the employers? NO--- THE GOVERNMENT. The GOVERNMENT is the ONLY PLAYER that can put a stop to this! If, in fact, our government enforced its own laws, this wouldn't be permitted to occur. The "modern day slavery" that you assert IS ONLY PERMITTED TO OCCUR BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU and your advocacy for our government not to enforce its own immigration laws (which, by the way, ARE THE MOST GENEROUS IN THE WORLD)!

And please give us a break with your intellectually dishonest claims of "haters and racists"! What race? Your positions are despicable and are THE VERY REASON this system of LAWBREAKING AND ILL TREATMENT EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE--- YOU TAKE THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE IDIOTIC POLICIES THAT YOU ENDORSE!

Enough of the name calling already. It's clear both employers and migrants share the blame for this situation. Employers can treat migrants any way they like because the undocumented have no recourse. Meanwhile, if you can't keep your sanitation and sleeping quarters clean, then you're a pig.

E-Verify is the way to go. Labor laws are enforced for those who can take their employers to court.

Angelica S,

Moronic? Look at yourself. The government HAS laws. It IS enforcing them. Just because they aren't going around and rounding up everyone with the slightest tan or accent, and throwing them in concentration camps and gassing them like you'd prefer doesn't mean the government isn't playing an active role in stopping illegal immigration.

The government is the "ONLY PLAYER"? Hahahaha. Oh, please. Yeah, I guess you're right... corporations shouldn't be held accountable for anything! People who hire illegal immigrants are just victims, right? And YOU! YOU who buys food from these farms and supports illegal immigration! Oh you poor, poor victim. There's just not a thing to be done about it, is there?

I DO take responsibility for the 'idiotic' policies of humane and fair treatment of migrant workers--I only buy my food from local farmers markets or fair trade companies. Among other things. Tell me, what do you actively do to stop illegal immigration? Hint: posting hateful diatribe on Newsvine doesn't count!

I'm sorry. Do you want to do the work that they do? Do you know anyone that does? (Refer to situation with Alabama farmers).

These migrant workers do back breaking & dangerous work for hours on end for little pay. The least the employer can do --because they own these shelters-- is help keep these facilities clean, considering that they aren't even paying their workers what is due to them.

PrecededbyNone

If corporations are violating the law--- who is going to stop them?????---- THE GOVERNMENT! WHO ELSE??? The Government must stop them. Why are you saying they shouldn't be held accountable!????? What the H#LL are you talking about?

You support and incentivize further lawbreaking. I do not. I support fair trade products (and pay a lot for them) and also shop at farmer's markets! I, unlike you, want for this cycle of illegality to STOP--- your statements only reveal that you want for it to continue and incentivize more!

And again--- to address your further false assertions--- WHAT RACE IS BEING HATED????

Angelica,

I think your caps-lock key and ? key are stuck.

Former..."The EMPLOYERS are the problem. If it weren't for them - these illegals wouldn't be here."

Exactly. That has been my argument all along. Remove the incentive and they will stop coming.

The employers pocketing the profit should pay to help their employees, but likely these illegals will get some government fix for their plight at my expense.

Explain to me again how that makes my tomatoes cheaper....

Right on Sarge .

Angelica - if the corporations can't sell their products because of a boycott - you can get the corporations to sit down and give fair pay and decent working conditions. It's not the government's job to everything while the average American just plays armchair activist.

Great post FormerMarineSgt

In other news: migrants crapping in the field cause an outbreak of Listeria sickness that killed 29 people

You want to put an end to this?

Fine the employers. Enforce immigration laws. Enforce the labor laws.

Jail the officials who take bribe money and don't report these activities.

Problem solved.

As to the clean living conditions in the camp: clean up after yourself people!!! Ever seen a Boy Scout camp? do you think they have cleaning ladies to wipe their rear ends? Get busy!

"maint-870932"

An undocumented worker from Honduras with two other undocumented workers from Mexico just stabbed to death a 40 year old woman in a walmart parking lot trying to steal her car, the farm or company that employed them should be charged with accessory to murder. Get these people out of my country now... In NY

Surely if you knew all that you could have posted a link to verify, correct?

How about we start jailing employers who hire illegal immigrants? Minimum of 1 year for each undocumented employee, served as consecutive sentences.

I'm sure our politicians will give them some of our tax money now so they can stay at the Ritz-Carlton and enjoy Champagne and Lobster dinners.

There is a difference between living in poverty and living like a pig. These workers can clean up after themselves, the housing is part of their work contract, as is the less than minimum wage. If they don't like it, then leave and find work elsewhere.

They have a roof over their heads, so what's the problem? How many LEGAL American citizens are homeless and hungry? Give me a break! These men are illegal, if they don't like it, THEN THEY CAN GO HOME. No sympathy from this woman. Fine the employers, send the illegals home, improve living conditions and give the jobs to Americans!

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Oh gee most of you are the people bashing the occupy group and this is what there protesting about. Give a large donation to your local gov. offical and you too can have your own personal slave. Get rid of the lobist and the big donations to campains and make the law makers responceable then this disapears. I am white and have picked tobacco I worked construction until a group of illegals offered to do it below min wage and we lost our jobs. Several even lost there homes I have no pitty for those scabs that come here breaking the law to get here then take work from us. Offer to work for less you get less so go cry somewhere else. Sneak into Iran I here you get a free room there and even get a up grade from farm worker to spy. Oh yea sneak into chile you will be labeled a spy and shot. Hey lets sneak into mexico and work for less you will be rounded up jailed and put in prison. This many times comes with a complmentry beating Oh yea you get the bed bugs and the bucket for a toilet no extra charge even in the jails there.

go back to mexico if you dont like it

Former Marine Sergeant

Although I agree that much of the fault lies with the farmers themselves, the fact remains that these illegals created their living conditions.

Did you have a maid clean your latrines or your barracks room while you were in the service? A little personal hygene by these illegals and a little pride could go a long ways in how clean their living conditions are. The problem is this is what many of them are used to and is probably better than most of them had.

This is just proof that, unless we want the U.S. to become a country like the ones these illegals came from, we need to crack down hard on the employers and force them to follow the rule of law and we need to quit the catch and release program the Administration has employed and move them out as fast as they are processed through deportation courts.

Also the deportation judges should have most of their discretion removed so that unless an illegal faces certain murder upon return they will be on the next thing smoking back to their home country.

It´s not the employers nor the goverment fault, It´s we the American people, we are the ones who eat every day this toxic farm products like milk, eggs, strawberries, apples, grapes, peaches, avocados, celery, lettuce, artichokes, beets, carrots, cucumber, spinach, oranges, lemons, tomatos etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc the day we stop eating there will be no jobs available for this illegal aliens in my loved AMERICA, Oh my God all this writing made me hungry I guess I´ll order some pizza with extra tomato, for today I´ll give this illegal aliens a break, but tomorrow they better watch out, cause for sure I´ll stop eating their dirty fruits and vegetables, you make the math, no comsumers, no jobs for this illegal aliens. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY NOW

And in Alabama we saw just how many Americans raced to take those undocumented worker jobs. ZERO !!

Not one person.

Of course you will never get these stupid GOP people to understand that these undocumented workers are woven into the very fabric of America and have been for over a hundred years.

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Well, well, well. If this isn't the ultimate American Corporate Wet Dream! I laugh at people wanting "government" to fix this problem! Are these the same people who want government OUT of American Business (to quote Ronnie Reagan)? Isn't the goal of Corporate America to get government and regulations out of their businesses so they can "grow and create jobs"??? Yet when something like this comes to light, it's now "the governments fault"? LOL!

Please, make up your mind! For over 30 yeas our government have been putting in corporate lobbyist and former corporate employees to "oversee" and "regulate" their industries! That's called foxes watching the chicken coop! How do you think Corporations are getting away with this slave labor? Because our so-called government is in the pockets of corporations!!! Get money out of politics and you might, MIGHT, get some real oversight and regulations that are effective.

As long as Corporations put money and profit (read low wages and little to no benefits) ahead of human need, then we will see this kind of thing over and over. Nothing new folks. Go read a little history.....PLEASE. Teddy Roosevelt was fighting the money barons and monopolies over a hundred years ago to keep America from falling into an oligarchy. Well guess what? The fight has never stopped! It's always a fight between labor and management! Right now, management is winning that fight....BIG time! And our Corporate Government is letting it all happen!

Have "government fix" the problem? That's laughable. Our Corporate Government could care less about immigrants or any other worker, legal or otherwise, as long as Corporations are rolling in the profit and keep giving their share back to the politicians so they can bankroll the next election! Just follow the money people...just follow the money.....

US1776 - The problem is not so much the migrant labor force - lots of them are here LEGALLY on appropriate farm labor visas. The problem is in POROUS BORDER which lets in and out criminals, as well as drugs coming in and money going out. You can't come up with a decent and practical immigration policy unless you can actually control the border traffic.

FormerMarineSgt......."The FARMERS are the problem. The EMPLOYERS are the problem. If it weren't for them - these illegals wouldn't be here."

WRONG !!!

The Federal Government is THE PROBLEM for our current Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) problem by NOT enforcing their own Federal Immigration Laws. If the Federal Immigration Laws were ENFORCED, these illegals would not be here.

What is really sickening is the Federal Government suing States for trying to enforce the Federal Immigration law(s) within their boundaries when the Federal Government has not done it's job in controlling our BORDERS which has allowed the Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) to enter the States.

Send ALL Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) back to their country of origin and then send the bill to their home government for the costs of shipping them back.

Yep, RetiredMilitary

Great Michael, and who's going to pay to send all 10-12 million of them back? The companies that employed them? Send a bill to the govt of their country? There's a big fat LOL. So Michael, what's your solution?

LOL... "go back to mexico"??? Sorry, but the tobacco lobby doesn't want that to happen. Y'all enjoy that cigarette now, ya hear?

United States 1776

I don't know where you got the zero number for the jobs taken after the illegals were moved out of Alabama. If you do a little checking you will find your post is false but then I think you already know that right!!!!????!!! Look at Albertville Al. and Wayne Farms. This pultry producer was forced to have a job fair to replace over 100 workers that left their jobs because of the new law. Over 300 people showed up to take these jobs and they were all filled by the end of the first day of the job fair.

Do some research and you will find that very few farmers ran ads for help in the Alabama newspapers because they knew they would have to pay minimum wage and pay into workman's comp.

The fact is, economically, we do not need the illegals. Them leaving is not going to cause prices to rise drastically and in fact, when illegals have been forced out of jobs, those jobs were taken almost immediately by legal residents of this country.

The hateful attitudes on here literally make me sick to my stomach. I don't know how any of you can be so proud of America, how any of you claim to be rushing to the defense of the nation against your perceived 'invasion', how you can claim that we are the greatest country on earth and worthy of any sort of protection. When this nation is filled with ungrateful, hateful, racist morons like yourselves, this country deserves to be taken over.

When you claim to be the greatest and most powerful nation in the world, that power and greatness comes with responsibility. Responsibility, first and foremost, to those less fortunate than all of your piggish, over-weight, over-privileged selves. You claim, "oh, why don't they just go back to Mexico?". Tell me, anyone who has ever said that, where you would take your family if you were in their situations. Would you return to Mexico, where the filth is even worse, where there are no jobs whatsoever, where you're more likely to get shot in the street and your body left in the gutter than anything else? Is that really where you'd allow your family to be? Do you honestly think these people left wealth and riches just to come break our laws? You can make all the laws you want and enforce them to the very best of your abilities, but do you think any of these people give a @!$%# about that? If your family was in that situation, do you really think any law would stop you from trying to leave?

In your home, with your family, all of you have food on the table (food, by the way, probably bought from these illegal-immigrant-exploiting-farms). You obviously are doing well enough for yourselves if you have internet access and a computer. You must be doing quite well for yourselves I'd imagine, for having such holier-than-thou attitudes. If your looked out the window and saw your neighbors getting shot up and starving, would you just ignore it and build a bigger fence and hope the problem goes away? Because that's exactly what you're all doing, and those are exactly the kind of laws you're calling for.

With people like you who have attitudes like yours, this country isn't worth the "saving' you call for.

Filthy living conditions? Just like home. Your own people made the mess in the can, so get them to clean it up, thats how it works in my house, if I plug the crapper, I unplug it. Gee, what a concept. Go back where you came from if you don't like it.

@ FormerMarineSgt - With respect I must disagree with your some of your statements sir. Although I came to this country legally, it was only farmers who offered me work. No one ever forced me to work. I chose to do so because it was a way for me to improve my life. No one ever provided my living quarters, I did that myself even to the point of living in the field for a time. At no time did I receive less than minimum wage nor did I ever witness that happening to my companions. When I went to start my own business, it was my former employer, a farmer, who helped me financially. No bank would loan me money. I have spent my entire adult life (52 years) working with and for farmers. Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree on this but every night of my life I thank God for the good people I have known in farming. I know there is good and bad in people from all walks of life, but more often than not, I believe farmers are good people.

Moshuluu. It hapened in Albion N.Y. this week google it...

moshuluu

Surely if you knew all that you could have posted a link to verify, correct?

Evert hear of google? It works you know:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=40+year+old+stabbed+in+Walmart+parking+lot

Why can't the farming industry just "self-regulate"... you know... like we want the oil companies to do.

The same corporations we seem so bent on protecting from taxes are the ones who create situations where illegals are hired. There are no "farmers" there are corporate farms and agribusiness; job-creators.

Either you want government involved or you don't

Either government is drowning in debt, or we need to put everyone in prison for any and every breach of law.

make up your minds.

I don't understand why the employer is responsible for cleaning their personal living quarters?

They have the ability to live in cleanliness if they chose to, it's not anyone's fault but their own that they cant empty their trash can or pick up their empty shampoo bottles.

AS FAR AS THE SLAVE LABOR GOES - couldnt agree more, it's simply modern day slave labor. The difference? These folks simply dont have to work these jobs like actual slaves would have to...they didnt have to come here...they dont have to stay here. That doesnt make what these employers are doing any better, but that is reality.

But, they are ILLEGALLY HERE and thats why these farms employ them, they are cheap and they are capable of working them to death.

The ironic part is, is that these workers want better working conditions and better wages...if that were to happen, they wouldnt have these jobs...as americans (and legal immigrants) would take these jobs before them.

I would prefer we fix our immigration laws, and put a very strong law on the books about employers employing illegal workers...I dont want to just fine them, I want to put them out of business. IT IS THAT SIMPLE...we've got americans out of work, and we don't need folks making bank off of modern day slavery...

WE THE PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THIS.
It's just that im betting we're too lazy and lack empathy, and therefore...we wont do squat.

People get stabbed all the time. Usually it's by white, crackhead, American citizens though.

Preceded maybe you need to leave the country. If you hate it so much get the hell out!!. I served in the military to protect our way of life and I just don't feel that I should support those who pay no taxes yet live off of the public dime. Have you served in the military? I just don't understand people like you. You would not live like you do if you lived in some of the countries that I had to go to. I think that our country is one of the best in the world and I can understand the attitude of "go back to where you came from". There are laws on how you can immigrate to this country and it isn't sneaking across the border at midnight. Our founding fathers wrote the document that has these laws. So, these undocumented workers as this article called them are in fact illegal aliens that broke the law to get to this country. So, I say they should go home, and then apply for a work visa. Having that they would have legal recourse when their conditions are bad otherwise they should just shut up and put up with it. Hey, all they have to do is clean up after their selves. I wouldn't want to live in a place that stinks like an outhouse. Maybe, they can set up a rotation and have one guy a day clean up after work. It could work.

Things have really changed. When I was young (in the late eighties) and growing up in Ohio's tobacco country every able bodied person that wanted to make some quick money was looking to cut tobacco. B/C it was such a BIG cash crop they paid pretty well to have the help cutting it and hanging it. Apparently there were no un-documented/illegals that were available. Just because there are desparate people out there, it does not make it RIGHT to take advantage of these people. I don't know how these farmers sleep at night. They should lock their doors and windows though....cause all those desparate people that work for them probably know where their big house is.....

Thanks for your service Robert . Although I don't see why you need to rub it in my face. I have three brothers, all in the military, each has done at least two rounds of service in different countries, from Afghanistan to Korea to Kuwait to Iraq and beyond. None of them find the need to brag about it.

You would not live like you do if you lived in some of the countries that I had to go to.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, that's why those people don't give a rat's ass about our laws, and are coming here in hope of a better life, probably very much like your own forefathers did?

PrecededbyNone "When you claim to be the greatest and most powerful nation in the world, that power and greatness comes with responsibility. Responsibility, first and foremost, to those less fortunate than all of your piggish, over-weight, over-privileged selves."

I agree, but I dont think that we need to have everyone all over the world come HERE to escape the ratholes they were born in. Rather, what about this concept - we go there, help educate them and help them ...wait for it...wait for it....HELP THEMSELVES? Make those ratholes no so ratholey?

"You claim, "oh, why don't they just go back to Mexico?". Tell me, anyone who has ever said that, where you would take your family if you were in their situations. Would you return to Mexico, where the filth is even worse, where there are no jobs whatsoever, where you're more likely to get shot in the street and your body left in the gutter than anything else? Is that really where you'd allow your family to be? Do you honestly think these people left wealth and riches just to come break our laws? You can make all the laws you want and enforce them to the very best of your abilities, but do you think any of these people give a @!$%# about that? If your family was in that situation, do you really think any law would stop you from trying to leave?"

I dont blame people for leaving mexico, or wherever and coming here...but do you think they WANT to leave their native lands? I think they'd rather stay where they were born and work there...and there's work to be done everywhere, we've just concluded that money is finite and those holding all the marbles get to decided when and where the work gets done...it's the reason why 1/2 this nation is sitting on it's ass looking for handouts...when we all could be working, and building up all our nations into greatness.

"In your home, with your family, all of you have food on the table (food, by the way, probably bought from these illegal-immigrant-exploiting-farms). You obviously are doing well enough for yourselves if you have internet access and a computer. You must be doing quite well for yourselves I'd imagine, for having such holier-than-thou attitudes. If your looked out the window and saw your neighbors getting shot up and starving, would you just ignore it and build a bigger fence and hope the problem goes away? Because that's exactly what you're all doing, and those are exactly the kind of laws you're calling for."

But I dont think you're approach is helping anyone, you seem content that these folks come here and be sorta forced to work under slave-like conditions...because in some small way it's helping them, in a really big way...it's helping you stay above them. Seems my approach would be more humane...yours is just keeping the status quo..and the status quo sucks.

No doubt though, your "empathetic approach" is better than "kick em all out, who cares what happens to them"...so uh, kuddos on being slightly better than the ones you're trying to shout down.

Tell me where I said anything about keeping the status-quo. All I said is building fences and ignoring the problem and trying to make laws to this effect isn't going to solve anything. I don't think opening up the floodgates will help anyone either.

And yes, I do think an "empathetic approach", as opposed to "kick em all out" (which by the way, IS the status quo, certainly not my approach) is much better.

The only point I was trying to make is that all these hateful people on this thread are doing is observing others living in unimaginable, filthy poverty, and all they can say is "well, maybe they should go home" or "well, they had it coming". Yet they have nothing at all to say about the despicable, greedy companies exploiting the workers. Nothing at all. It's hypocritical, it's cruel, it's downright f*cked up, and with a country full of people like that, I find myself compelled to side with the illegal immigrants here. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not ashamed of this country, but I hope you all are ashamed of yourselves. Not a very American attitude at all.

Robert "I served in the military to protect our way of life and I just don't feel that I should support those who pay no taxes yet live off of the public dime."

at least you admit that you weren't protecting our freedom, but rather...protecting our ability to keep our feet on every other nations neck so that we look stellar by default.

"There are laws on how you can immigrate to this country and it isn't sneaking across the border at midnight."

Good thing the native americans didn't have any laws...we'd not exist huh? Good thing we just manifested destiny (aka genocide) You think, by any chance this is karma in action? We invaded this land, we took it by force, we starved off the natives that we couldnt kill with guns...and put the stubborn rest on reservations...you think perhaps this "invasion from the south"...is just karma trying to come full circle? Maybe you dont believe in karma...

"So, I say they should go home, and then apply for a work visa. Having that they would have legal recourse when their conditions are bad otherwise they should just shut up and put up with it."

you see, the folks who make lots of money because they get to pay them such cheap wages...do not agree with you...which is why they own our polticians, and why NEITHER PARTY has done anything to address illegal immigration.

I understand that this article is about harvesting tobacco in N.C. As a kid, I did this in MD. for spending money, along with other things, like mowing lawns and shoveling snow. For me, it was not a matter of food, and shelter. One had to be careful especially when it came to spiking the sot-weed on the poles that were later hung in the barns to cure.

For years I have suggested the cause of the many outbreaks of the "tainted" spinach, lettuce, mixed greens, and other bagged items, sold by our local grocery stores, is due to the unsanitary hands of the pickers.

One look at the toilets and the description within this article and it becomes very clear. Add to that the knowledge that there are few if any "portable toilets" near the fields makes it more obvious. The fact that the portable toilets and places to wash are a mile or so down the road are a serious reason for concern. If one is a picker; they are paid either by the hour or by the amount they pick in a given day. Their options are obvious. Will they decide to take the hour or so to walk to any provided facilities and give up a portion of their daily income or use the closest means there are?

Consequently, there have been and will continue to be outbreaks in our country of E Coli, Listeria, and others that make people seriously ill and even kill.

I have never read that the cause of these tainted foods is from the pickers. Generally, following a national out-break and the subsequent research for the cause, it is found that a field of innocent cows, miles down the road from the fields are the cause. I don't believe that for a second.

It is bad enough that we have to pay so much for the food at the grocery stores today. It is even worse that we have to be very concerned over human fecal matter on our food.

Preceded by None---

It's precisely BECAUSE they don't (as you state) "give a rat's ass about our laws" that we will not permit or endorse their ILLEGAL entry by granting rewards in the way of amnesty for lawbreaking! You said it! That's why!

And further, you're the ONLY one here exhibiting any hatred --- hatred for the rule of law that is (which laws are the MOST GENEROUS IMMIGRATION LAWS IN THE WORLD)! And you also show incredible DISDAIN for LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who complied with the law, waited the wait, paid a high price, and waited their turns to come here LEGALLY. Many LEGAL immigrants are in the same impoverished conditions as the LAWBREAKERS. You completely disrespect LEGAL immigrants through your dishonorable advocacy for lawbreaking!

May if you type "ILLEGAL" in caps lock, or shout it a little louder, someone will listen to you.

If their only crime is crossing the border to protect their families, to work a job that no American will work for a pay that most Americans would laugh at, then they don't deserve to be treated like this. There are true criminals, murderers in prison who are treated better. Maybe you think they don't deserve amnesty, but I'd say they're worthy of a little bit of compassion.

I'm curious Angelica, my friend, why you have the harshest of disdain for the people picking your food, but nothing at all to say about the American corporations exploiting cheap labor so they can keep their lazy, worthless, greedy CEOs in yachts and mansions. If you ask me, your anger is seriously misguided.

Hi Angry People,

You see how your "Job Creators" view workers? Slavery is alive and going strong... and ya'll want to give some extra tax breaks to these people. Slow clap for you guys....

PrecededByNone---

1. People are listening to me-- review the above posts.

2. We have laws, which are THE MOST GENEROUS IN THE WORLD, permitting over 700,000 to come to America legally each year. Why do you continually assert that there is something lacking in compassion in enforcing these MOST generous laws?? Every country has a right to enforce its immigration laws.

3. I agree that all people must be treated humanely (see above posts); however that does not mean they shouldn't be deported. Treating people humanely means that you don't hold certain people to comply with law and permit others to be above those same laws. Humane treatement requires that we must all be subject to the same rules and standards.

4. Why do you lack compassion for the American and LEGAL immigrant worker whose wages and lost job opportunities are being DEVASTATED by this ILLEGAL immigration scheme? Why do you support a system by which the only people benefitting from the ILLEGAL BLACKMARKET are the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS that hire ILLEGAL workers? Why do you want to continue to perpetuate a system of slave labor?

Why do you lack compassion for African Americans, whose unemployment rate is over 16%??? Why do you lack any compassion for African American teenagers whose unemployement rate is over 40%? Why is that?

5. I've got news for you--- UNLIKE YOU--- I don't want for the people who pick my food to be paid poverty level wages and no benefits. Unlike you, I don't want to shift the true costs of doing business from the lawbreaking business profiteers onto the backs of the unwilling American taxpayers (as when these business pay the crap wages that you endorse and no benefits, the unwilling American taxpayer is forced to finance the healthcare and other social welfare benefits for the ILLEGAL BLACKMARKET SLAVE LABOR FORCE FOR WHICH YOU ADVOCATE SO STRONGLY. --- Why do you support shifting the true costs of your ILLEGAL WORKFORCE onto to the backs of the American taxpayers??? WHY? WHY? WHY? --- INDEED!

6. And finally, regarding your OUTRIGHT LIE that I say nothing about the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS--- IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ--- YOU WILL SEE THAT I HAVE REPEATEDLY MADE REFERENCE TO THE LAWBREAKING EMPLOYERS and, as I have said repeatedly here--- they shouldn't get away with it!!!! BUT WHY, PRECEDEDBYNONE=== WHY DO YOU RESORT TO BLATANT LIES AND SUBTERFUGE???? WHY?

what about the so called sin tax on tobacco? that's where the greed is.

a portion of that would help those immigrants. although they are illegal workers i agree with an earlier reply that there would be zero americans to sign up for that job or last more than a day in the field.

I have lived and worked around migrant farm workers, so I know that they didn't come here on a first class flight and leave behind a modest house in the suburbs just to come here to work. Most of them were living impoverished lives to begin with. Have you ever visited Mexico? If not, then you have no idea how migrant farm workers there live either. They come to america thinking they will make good money here to send home to their families, and live better. Unfortunately that isn't always the case. I blame the government AND the businesses and corportations, first for letting them live in such poor conditions and second for employing them illegally in the first place. The government allows migrant workers, as long as they are documented, to come to the US and work for a certain length of time on work visa's on the condition they return to their prospective countries to become documented again and return to work the next year. I have worked with many migrant workers over the years, and I do know this is how they live in their homelands. Mexico is full of poor villages where some of the people live in shanties, four pieces of plywood if they are lucky and a dirt floor. Same kind of lifestyle can also be found in Honduras, I have been there as well just a few years ago and saw firsthand some of the shanty houses while walking down a city street. If this is how they are living in their own country, why do we feel it necessary to feel sorry for how they are choosing to live here? No one is bringing in busses full of slaves and I doubt anyone is keeping them here by force. They have the choice to return home, but here they have more freedoms than they do their own countries. They have the freedom to keep working as long as no one is deporting them, as long as their employer isn't being shut down for employing illegals paid under the table. And why would they pay for better housing when they can get it for free by the employers?

Please do not speculate on americans "not wanting to take those jobs" that illegals do. I've said it a thousand times on newsvine that statement is just BS. I've worked in agriculture myself for several years, along with many hardworking americans AND illegals and documented migrants, problem is that employers would much rather hire illegals and undocumented workers, they hide the employer taxes, pay minimum wages, have a smaller ghost employee base, and as long as Uncle Sam and the good old gov close their eyes to the situation, it is going to continue to be a problem here. Speak for yourself when you say americans won't do those jobs, usually its just you that won't do those jobs.

"Fe-Fi-Fo-Fum, I smell an illegal alien"..... Go back where you came from illegal aliens and take your dirty mattresses and toilet paper with you Pedro, and don't forget the anchor babies you had here as an illegal alien also!!

Sally

Very easy. You make e-verify the law of the entire country. You don't allow states like California to offer sanctuary. You fine the crap out of the employer for each illegal that it has in its employment. The second time charge the employer under RICO and put them in jail and take away all their assets. Sell the copany to the legal workers of that company so they do not loose their jobs.

You certainly don't do it with the current catch and release policy and you surely don't do it by allowing business owners, including farmers, to circumvent the laws.

I see people on here crying all the time about this company or that company sending their jobs overseas. Tell me what the difference is in sending them overseas or out sourcing them right here in the states to illegals?

I challenge anyone of you that advocate for the illegals to explain why you would push for something to be given to an illegal that you wouldn't to a legal resident.

Economically speaking, there is no need to keep 11 million plus mostly uneducated/undereducated illegals in this country when we have millions already out of work.

If illegals help a country's economy grow, then why aren't the countries that these illegals come from trying to keep them?

the article says they pay to live there. not for free

Angelica, I'd like you to tell me exactly where I said anything that makes you justified in laying the following accusations against me:

Why do you support a system by which the only people benefitting from the ILLEGAL BLACKMARKET are the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS that hire ILLEGAL workers? Why do you want to continue to perpetuate a system of slave labor? Why do you lack compassion for African Americans, whose unemployment rate is over 16%??? Why do you lack any compassion for African American teenagers whose unemployement rate is over 40%?

UNLIKE YOU--- I don't want for the people who pick my food to be paid poverty level wages and no benefits. Unlike you, I don't want to shift the true costs of doing business from the lawbreaking business profiteers onto the backs of the unwilling American taxpayers (as when these business pay the crap wages that you endorse and no benefits, the unwilling American taxpayer is forced to finance the healthcare and other social welfare benefits for the ILLEGAL BLACKMARKET SLAVE LABOR FORCE FOR WHICH YOU ADVOCATE SO STRONGLY. --- Why do you support shifting the true costs of your ILLEGAL WORKFORCE onto to the backs of the American taxpayers??? WHY? WHY? WHY? --- INDEED!

BUT WHY, PRECEDEDBYNONE=== WHY DO YOU RESORT TO BLATANT LIES AND SUBTERFUGE???? WHY?

And before doing so, kindly remove the CAPS LOCK FROM YOUR COMPUTER AND STOP HOLDING DOWN THE '?' AND '!' KEYS BECAUSE IT ONLY MAKES ME THINK THAT YOU ARE, IN FACT, EITHER INSANE OR ABOUT THIRTEEN YEARS OLD AND NOT CREDIBLE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have dangerously overstepped your boundaries with your baseless accusations against me, and I have nothing further to say to you except that I recommend you seek help.

chartsweb

I pay to live where I do but I still clean the place up. I don't let my toilets get clogged and I don't let the toilet paper in the bathroom overflow the waste basket. I also clean my house and if there was the first bug Id go get something to deal with them instead of letting them crawl around where I sleep.

You would think that a person with even a few years education would know it is best for their health if they clean up behind themselves.

PrecededbyNone--- LOL--- you have nothing of substance to say--- so you're preoccupied with the caps lock feature!!! And, further, my comments WERE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR OWN SPECIOUS STATEMENTS! Clearly, you have NOTHING of substance to say! Au Revoir!

What migrant workers need is a union . Where is Cesar Chavez when you need him ?

why are they whining about. They have a place to live. If they think it's dirty then clean it up. What? they want a maid also. In most cases it's still better than what they had back in mexico.

mike 2557769

If you go back and check Cesar Chavez didn't want the illegals here in the first place. They actually sent union farn workers to the California-Mexico border to try to keep them out. And Why? Because he realized he couldpush for better wages and better working/living conditions if farmers were forced to hire legal residents versus illegals.

But yeah go ahead and form a union, then it will just make it easier to round them up and send them home when the time comes that politicians finally listen to the majority.

Michael Lockwood , Exactly my point . Unions are the watchdog for American workers .

@preceeded

So based on reading your many inane comments I can only gather that you would be of the opinion that: "Since criminals are going to break the laws anyway we shouldn't bother to enforce any laws. Let the criminals do as they wish, make life miserable for everyone, destroy everyone else's way of life, and then, when the criminal complains about what a cesspool they live in, make the non-criminals clean it up, fix the problem and pay the criminal."

Have I hit your life philosophy right about on the head with a 12# sledge? These people, these illegal aliens (no I would glorify/justify them by calling them anything else) have created their own mess and are dragging us down along with themselves.

The corporations did not start the problem. They have certainly taken advantage of it, but if the illegal alien wasn't here to take the job at sub-par wage, then the corporations wouldn't be able to hire them in the first place. That would force one of two things; 1) Americans would be forced to take less for their work, or, 2) The corporations would be required to pay Americans a reasonable wage to work the job. Situation one is highly unlikely because, A) Americans, as a rule, have more pride in themselves as a people to accept poverty level lifestyle on purpose, and B) There are too many laws already on the books to prevent it. Situation two, can not happen at this time because the illegals have over-run our borders and flooded our country. Add to that the fact that Liberal politics has made it near impossible for our Immigrations Law Enforcement to do their jobs, by ensuring every criminal to cross our border get treated better than our citizens, and you have what we have today.

And BTW, if these pigs can't even empty their own trash cans and clean up after themselves, I have no sympathy whatsoever for them, they prove by that action alone that they are filth, we don't need any more filth in this country.

Note, I make no mention of race, I could give a damn what color they are, an illegal is an illegal no matter the level of melatonin in their skin.

If they don't like the life in their own country, let them petition for citizenship, if they are denied, let them petition somewhere else.

Dear Michael Lockwood. Please read your history book again (and again). Those people you think should "go (back) home" to Mexico were here in North America FIRST!!! Aliens from Europe took their ancient homelands (think Israel's argument for being in their ancient homeland) by military CONQUEST. I think they have every right to venture north back into their ancestor's homeland to seek what was taken from them to begin with: a land of opportunity and livelihood. I don't think birth should be a privilege for nationalism. By birth, we are ALL privileged to make a living, regardless of where and when one is born. I laugh when people put nationalism and man-made laws ahead of our basic human need to work and survive. That's called ARROGANCE which you seem to have ample supply of. But keep on yelling out your pathetic arguments. They will NOT change social evolution and the FACT that European (read whites) Americans will soon be the MINORITY in this country. When we get enough of them elected in government, they will change the sordid laws that keep people from their right to live and survive....

Brad

So you think Mexicans and other South Americans were living in North America first? You are the one that truly needs to go back and research his history.

At least you admit to being an open borders hug an illegal instead of most on here that try to beat around the bush. The good thing is we as a coutry have laws and the majority of the people don't feel the same as you so I guess you and yourrs will have to deal with that won't you!!!!

You are right we are all able to make a living but that doesn't mean that you will make as much as the next person or that I will make anymore than you. All it means is we are here to pursue our goals within the laws that govern us. If you don't like the laws you work to change them you don't break them whenever you feel they slow you down.

Nobody is stopping the illegals basic needs to survive or work. They are free to make a living and survive in their home countries and I am glad that the majority are finally pushing to make sure they get that chance.

By the way the only pathetic arguments are the ones you make. If you don't like the way the laws are here, work to change them or don't let the door hit you in your 4th point on your way out. Take your arguments to any other country and they will laugh you out right after they beat your pathetic open borders a..!

One last point; most legal immigrants including hispanics don't want the illegals here and want them to go through the same process that they did to come here legally.

Really Joe. You'd take your wife, children, and family back to Mexico or South America, where there are no jobs, even filthier conditions, where you'd probably be living on the streets and eventually murdered by the drug cartels? I think not. And I think after working on a farm for 14 hours a day to earn what most people get in an hour, cleaning a toilet is the least of your concerns. Your high-and-mighty attitude is what is perpetuating this problem. Clearly you've never really worked a day in your life, or had to worry about where your next meal is coming from, or where you and your family are going to live. You're also perpetuating this problem because you probably buy your food from these farms and support the very people who hire illegal immigrants in the first place. How does it feel to be playing a starring role in this whole cycle of illegal immigration?

Most people on planet earth wouldn't break the law by coming here illegally in the first place... Einstein.

These people, who are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the world population who BREAK OUR LAWS shouldn't be rewarded with high wages, even minimum wage is too much for them because they shouldn't even be here in the first place...... They should have been deported a long time ago and their treasonous, treacherous enablers like yourself should be deported along with them.

But hey, once we round up and deport all the immigrants Americans will flock to these jobs (and living conditions.)

Think how good it would be for the country if we enacted laws that required the unemployed to work and ive in these conditions.

Jobless rates would be down, and corporate profits would be up.

'Treasonous, treacherous enabler', eh? Pretty strong words there...Einstein... Tell me, what did I do to enable their coming here? I don't buy from these farms. I don't hire them. Corporate agriculture does though, and anyone who buys food from mainstream supermarkets. Where do you buy your food, funkysnake?

Standing up for basic human rights does not even begin to make me a 'treasonous, treacherous' person. It makes me a decent, civil, compassionate human being. These farmers are employing these people just to save a few bucks. They (according to the article) provide the living quarters and are responsible for maintaining them, but leave them to filth that strongly echoes times of slavery. These corporate farms WOULD still utilize slavery if they could, there's no doubt about that. This is barely a step up.

These farms should be shut down. Seems pretty simple to me. The other farms where these things are not happening will be better off for it. Eliminate the illegal competition and the legal operations will thrive.

These working conditions are definatly horrible. It should be illegal to expose anybody to chemicals like that. One thing the migrant workers could do that would make their life a lot better would be stop putting their used tissue in a pile. I know why they do it. Down in central and south America the plumbing is so bad that putting tissue in the toilet will clog the plumbing pipes under the floor. You have to start digging up concrete to fix it. It's just custom to put it in the garbage can next to the toilet. Somebody needs to explain to them that they can flush the tissue here. It's that simple.

That said, if you are going to employ workers, illegal or otherwise, you should hav to provide beds, and other basic needs. I don't see how a fellow human being could let other human beings live like that. It's just wrong.

I don't know Rhino, by the looks of that once storage shed that is now a suposed bathroom I'm not willing to even imply that the plumbing works just because it's here. Hell i'm not even willing to say it even has plumbing.

GREAT!!!

I can't wait until morons shut down all of our farms because the mexicans that work them are incapable of flushing their used toilet paper down the toilet and have never been taught how to AIM FOR THE TOILET when they urinate.

It's going to be ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL watching people like you starve to death when you have to pay $30 for a small container of peanut butter.... AGAIN... because you just can't stand the fact that the owners of the farm won't go aim the penises and flush the toilets for the incompetent dirty mexicans he employs. Imbecile.

ENJOY YOUR PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A FUTURE :)

Preceded, I know a lot of farmers that work 14 hours in a field and their houses are clean. It seems that those poor illegal aliens would at least empty their trash cans. I think just the smell would make them want to clean up. Why would they let it overflow like that? I just don't understand why you think the farmer should clean up the illegal workers sh#t. He didn't make the mess so why clean it up? I have worked long, long hours and I would never let things get that bad. I know they would like the dividers between the toilets but why would you let used toilet paper pile up like that? It takes people that don't care about how they live to let it become like that. I say that they should go home to sunny Mexico or where ever they come from south of the American border and let them be happy. I mean if they live like that then touch the farm produce, no wonder people are getting sick.

You break the laws to come here and then complain about the conditions. My mother taught me that even a house with a dirt floor can be clean, but it is up to the character of the people living in them to make it so. Go home and fix your own country LEGALLY, rather than coming here illegally and complaining about it. The fact that Mexicans want a better life is admirable, protecting our borders so the citizens of the U.S. can do the same is also admirable. Guests don't sneak in your window at night and set up camp in your living room, invaders do.

I just don't understand why you think the farmer should clean up the illegal workers sh#t.

Probably because they're taking wages out of the workers paychecks to be doing just that, but instead are pocketing the money.

Preceded, I know a lot of farmers that work 14 hours in a field and their houses are clean. It seems that those poor illegal aliens would at least empty their trash cans.

And do what with it? Take it where? Out to the curb? You are clearly feeding into and perpetuating the stereotype that people live in poverty and filth just because they choose to.

I say that they should go home to sunny Mexico or where ever they come from south of the American border and let them be happy.

Ahahahahahaha!!!!! Wow, you are SO incredibly out of touch with reality that it made me laugh out loud. Yeah, they left wealth, riches, sun-kissed beaches and paradise just to come up here and break our laws. Sure. Uh-huh...

Go home and fix your own country LEGALLY, rather than coming here illegally and complaining about it.

In case you haven't noticed, or read the newspaper in the last 10 years, that's not really a viable option. The drug cartels own the government. But YOUR solution of rounding up all the illegal immigrants, throwing them back across the border to be shot and killed by their own 'government', and building bigger fences, all the while ignoring the real problems, is surely much better.

"It makes me a decent, civil, compassionate human being. "

Humble too.

If they are legal immigrants, the authorities should go in there to enforce proper living conditions. If they are illegals, put them on a bus and drop them over the border.

Tell me Kathryn, did you choose your last name? It's fitting.

This is a landlord issue. They pay rent. In Ohio (at least) the landlord would be shut down. What other choices do you think these men could have made and keep in mind you don't know anything about them or their life.

terriels- my landlord doesn't come over and take my garbage out, clean my floors, or do my laundry, it's on them to do it themselves.

What they don't say about the bathrooms is wether the toilets work or not. I bet they work just fine. In Mexico they don't put the used paper in the toilet they put it in the trash as seen in the photo. I can attest to this as I worked security at both the migrant worker camps in our area and this was done at both facilities. I asked why they were putting it the trash and I was told in Mexico they don't have waste treatment plant that can deal with toilet paper in the system so they have to put it in the trash. Once they are here they just keep doing it at home like thy're used to even though they don't have to. The toilets work fine they just won't put the used paper in it and flush it. And like port-o-lets at music festivals these messes were created by the people who used them not the mystical and mythical @!$%# Fairy who comes and spreads feces in the night.

What "Lame" says is true, I also speak from experience. Hispanics won't flush toilet paper, they put it in garbage cans or on the floor. Yes, those conditions are rough, but also what's missing is a little basic hygiene from the workers themselves. I see it on a regular basis.

Hmm. Maybe you guys should try working 14 hours a day on the farm, earning for all your labor only what most people make in an hour, and see where your priorities lie. Cleaning a toilet? I think not. Going out and spending all your wages on cleaning supplies? I think not. I think it would probably be getting a meal, spending some time with your family, and going to bed to get up for your next 14 hour shift. You people are so ignorant and your holier-than-thou attitude is making me sick. Tell me something... you all buy food. Where do you buy it from? Probably corporate farms. Guess what? You're all part of the problem of illegal immigration. Pull your heads out. Your disdain, racism, and hatred sure isn't solving the problem now, is it?

"This is a landlord issue."

That's what American GIs say, in every corner of the world, just before they take out the trash and clean the living area. That is a clever way to beat bedbugs though - sleeping on the bare spring.

preceeded,

Priorities? Do you expect others to come into your house and clean up after you? My bet would be that you have a little more pride in yourself then theses people do. It where THEY live and if THEY choose to live like that, landlord or not, then so be it.

When an employer and/or landlord provides the shelter and is supposed the be the entity maintaining it, and is taking money out of my paycheck to do so, YES, I DO EXPECT THEM TO CLEAN UP AFTER ME. Have you ever worked 14 hours on a farm? I bet not. And, "Retired Smoker", if you have truly ever smoked or you do smoke now, you're supporting the corporations that employ illegal immigrants, and therefore accountable for the problem. Tell me, how does it feel?

Pandy: you are right. I am one generation from poverty and know what you say is true from personal experience. There is no reason in America to live in filth, with bugs. Poverty is no excuse for filth, lying or cheating or stealing. My Father was born in a dirt floor shack in Ohio. My Mother's mother was born in the US from immigrant parents. Gramma did not complete High School and cleaned houses and did laundry until she was 76 to take care of herself and family. Gramdpa was illed in an industrial accident when the for girls were less than 10 years, There was no insurance, no workers comp, no financial resaponsibility on the part of the employer - General Motors. Grandma got nothing for loss of her breadwinner husband. Nothing. My Dad was in the CCC in the depression, did complete High School. Then enlisted in the Armay and was at Schofield Barracks when the Japanese bombed and starffed it on Dec 7, 1941. Fought the Japanese through New Guinea and Philipines. Used the GI bill to become an Electrician and helped build Nuclear reactors, the lab at AFIT at WPAFB, major factories throughout the midwest. No one in my family was ever filthy, ever had bugs, and we have no tolerance for any one who would live like that. You could eat off the floors in my house or any house of anyone in my family. Granny always said soap was cheap. We all know what plugs up toilets. There is no need to have a plugged up toilet and there is no need to call someone else to unplug a toilet that you screwed up and plugged. Clear it yourself then clean everything. That will motivate you to make sure it naver happens again. Laziness is behind all this. Excuses have become normalised in the US. We have become the third world country you would think these people came here to escape.

Did you have to walk uphill to school both ways, too? Wake up. We don't live in a time where hard work gets you anywhere anymore. It's not 1945. The only thing valued in this country anymore is money. These people work their asses off, every day, harder than you have probably ever worked in your life, for a wage you would laugh at. Their employer takes money out of their already meager pay to provide them with lodging, it's the employer's responsibility to keep the facilities clean and hospitable--not the workers.

Preceeded,

"YES, I DO EXPECT THEM TO CLEAN UP AFTER ME."

Really? You expect your employer to take your garbage out? The same garbage you wiped your ass with? I dont fukn think so pal. You are the one with the "holier than thou" attitude if you expect someone to clean up your crap! You want them to wipe your ass too? Get a grip

um, pandy....bedbugs aren't killed by washing the items, including in the almost boiling temperatures used in American hotel chains. It's a huge problem in the US throughout all social and economic levels right now. Just saying...

Give me a break Proceed... If they are living in those work conditions, it is because they are illegal. Otherwise, they'd go off and work at McDonald's for better living and working conditions.

They do not need to toss their 'poop' paper on the floor or in the trash, a little educating can go a long way in that. But the fact that immigrants have been coming here for years and years and still haven't quite picked up on that little tid-bit is perplexing. And the fact that they make very little money doesn't prevent them from sitting up a little and tossing their paper down the toilet.

I see the smile on this guy's face in the picture. He's nice and happy that he feels so lucky to have this job, as conditions in his own country probably weren't any better. I've been to the poor district in Mexico, I've seen feral dogs with diseases roaming the streets and entire families living in hovels without water, electricity, or heat. I've seen a mother surrender her body in disgrace just to able to feed her child, likely at the pressuring of her own husband.

Work here illegally, or go back home. I know what this guy is waiting for, amnesty. So I imagine he is going to stay.

"YES, I DO EXPECT THEM TO CLEAN UP AFTER ME."

Dang, all these years I've been working full-time and doing my own cleaning?? My employer or landlord should have been cleaning up after me? Who knew?!

@PrecededByNone

Yes I have worked 14 hours a day and then some! I would carry quite literrely 30,000 pounds or more a day and do it in 100 pound incriments in sun, rain, snow and covered in the filthy crap that gets on bundles from sitting outside. And guess what? when I got home I would do my dishes take out my garbage... I would clean u pathetic lazy morron! and if you actually read the article they are getting paid over 7 dollars an hour so I think they could afford to got to dollar general and pick up a 1$ bottle of lysol to clean. And to all who want to blame one side or the other. It is both the employer and the ILLEGAL (undocumented, wtf?) worker who are to blame. If these conditions are so bad and your to lazy to clean up after yourself, GO BACK TO THE COUNTRY YOU CAME FROM!!

PrecededByNone

Have you done farm work? I'm certain more than a few of us here have. I'm first Generation off the dairy farm...14 to 16 hour days happen regularly. Your stupid excuse of expecting the farms to provide room service and janitorial services as just that....stupid. Most of this is cultural as had been pointed out, and if they live like poor dirty farmers in Honduras or Mexico they'll live the same way here. In the same sense, if they were MS-13 in Honduras, they'll be MS-13 here as well.

I don't feel sorry for them. They are migrant workers who are foreign nationals. Go back to Mexico and work in one of the Automotive Plants that the US Big 3 or Volkswagen built for cheap(er) labor and which keeps other Americans out of work.

precededbynone your logic is lame bet you never been to the farms at your local farmers market. Alot of the produce sold there is simply bought at the wholesale house marked up and sold to the public like it was raised by that poor local farmer. I worked at one of the produce suppliers where they came in and bought there mexican picked low wage produce to sell to the likes of you NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL

Preceded,

You are paying good money at the "farmer's market" to buy produce from people who bought it at the wholesaler, not the farm. They usually did not grow the produce, nor did they know the "farmer." Next time just go to the grocery store like the rest of us. If you want "organic" produce, it's available there, too.

Wow. We've got some real compassionate people on this thread, don't we?

"Stupid logic". Let me address that.... Tell me. If your employer was taking money from your already meager paycheck to provide you with a service, say health insurance, and when you went to the doctor you discovered that this service was actually NOT being paid for, that instead your employer was actually pocketing that money to pay for his condo and yacht, tell me how you would feel.

And as for the local farmers market I go to... The produce is grown on a farm right across the river. I've actually done work on that farm myself. So yes, I actually have done farm-work, and I know who the owners are and who they employ. I'm very, very lucky to have this luxury.

Sounds like most of you ungrateful, heartless fools live in a country that deserves to be 'overrun by illegals'. What are any of you doing to stop it? Do you honestly think that building a bigger fence and ignoring the problem will make it go away? You're all delusional.

Yes. 1 year for each undocumented worker you hire, served consecutively.

You can have compassion without Christianity.

I agree with everything you said except the christian part..that is an option that is not needed. Isn't this part of the country the bible belt or at least very close? Seems these folks have had more than enough of christian compassion.

This is a tough situation. Seeing the photos can help put into perspective why unions came about. But there is always more behind the story than what you see.

Can you farm owner afford to give them stalls? Probably but smoking is being cracked down on so I imagine sales are down.

They are illegals so they pay no taxes and they probably send a good amount of the money they earn back home to their families can live a "better" life. I use the term better loosely.

Part of it comes down to compassion. Part of it comes down to illegal immigration. Part comes down to the employer doing the right thing (whatever that is and the views will vary wildly I'm sure).

Crappy article written by illefal aliens and broadcast on telemundo.

This article represents illegal aliens... NOT IMMIGRANTS

Who ever wrote this article is a poor writer and a illegal alien activist.

I am not fooled by trash writing about trash

What, these people are still here. I thought parents would be sending their kids to take these positions for our new hire Americans first program. Maybe they just can't find the location because it isn't in a mall.

True Compassion will only come with the enforcment of our immigration laws--- stopping this ILLEGAL BLACKMARKET LABOR SCHEME--- stopping the PROFITEERING LAWBREAKING EMPLOYERS-- preventing the wage depression and lost wages for American citizens and LEGAL immigrants. You are turning compassion on its head by urging the continuation of this ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SCHEME.

They are illegals so they pay no taxes

They pay no income or Social Security taxes. They pay other taxes. And because they're illegal, they aren't eligible for other public assistance, like food stamps.

I agree with everything you said except the christian part..that is an option that is not needed. Isn't this part of the country the bible belt or at least very close? Seems these folks have had more than enough of christian compassion.

Spoken like a true liberal. Tolerance for everyone except Christians.

They aren't "eligible" for food stamps? Are you naive enough to think they don't get them? Or use the emergency room at the hospital for free? Or have their wives collect aid for their children? Wake up!

I'd go one step further and say you'd get more empathy toward anyone in such a sad situation from people who don't crow about their faith and how victimized they are because of it.

black ppl were slaves but they had to clean themselves and the owners home. illegal is one thing but filthy is another. these men are filthy cockroaches and rent is free. take that @!$%# out. filthy. does the employer now have to clean their azzes too!!!!!!!!!!! i don't feel sorry for anyone that god has blessed to get here and then complain about a place that is alot better let them tell it than where they come from. cockroaches..now i know the meaning of why some are this. it's a pity and a shame. we are all gonna be sick someday behind this filth.

BS, plenty of construction workers losing their jobs to illegals not to mention just about any other job they may be holding including state jobs in states where they don't allow E-verify.

Alex-Le-

The situation arises from greed of the employer and the government turning a blind eye to these ILLEGALS.

There is a legal guest worker program, but these creeps who run these farms are too cheap to pay for the extra the government would require. If the people would be DOCUMENTED they would have rights.

No American would take these jobs-you are right about that. Legal workers have rights and if the employer did not provide the conditions and wages the employee would accept, the employer would go out of business. Again the problem is greedy business owners and our Federal government turning a blind eye. And this is under a Democratic administration that this is happening.

these people work hard and deserve better.

Yes, they deserve better back in their own country which, by federal law, is where they should be deported to.

The Alabama farmers were interviewed and they said that the tomatoes and other produce are rotting on the vine since the illegal immigrants left-they also said that no Americans are willing to do these jobs-they even tried to force prisoners to harvest the crops and the farmers said they worked too slowly and complained a lot.....

The south is still looking for a way to keep slavery rather than pay a wage . There is something deeply wrong with that part of the country..maybe it's the water but it seems to last from generation to generation. A huge feeling of superiority that allows the crushing of others is a disorder not a virtue.

Peace - that's because the farmers pay by the bushel instead of by the hour. If they hired part time shifts of high school and college students and were willing to pay by the hour until they got good at it, they'd have plenty of labor. They're not willing to give American kids the chance because they're not used to the labor, they were too slow and complained.

I think they just don't want to pay minimum wage or payroll taxes. They just can't be bothered. They'd rather take a loss and get farm subsidies.

Fawn: nonsense...tell it to the farmers in Alabama who can't even get their crops in now that both legal and illegal labor is fleeing. American kids and American adults will not do this backbreaking low paying work. period. They aren't just slow and complaining. The ones who do show up don't show up for day two.

I REITERATE - that if the farmer's paid legitimate wages, instead of by the bushel and under the table, they'd get workers.

There are guys and gals running to North Dakota to break their backs for GOOD wages. Don't tell me picking tomatoes is harder than oil rig work.

I WILL tell it to the farmers, if they don't want their crops to rot, try paying decent wages. That means paying payroll taxes, unemployment insurance, and offering benefits and decent working conditions. It's called cost of doing business. If you're not willing to pay that price or not willing go out out and bust your own butt, you probably shouldn't own a business.

But screwing your fellow citizens over by hiring illegals (who move here and use our resources, schools and social programs without paying for them), cheating on your taxes, and undercutting the worth of labor should NOT be rewarded with any sympathy whatsoever.

Make the welfare recipients earn their money

I agree with AP for the most part, when my friends and I were teenagers we picked vegetables in the summer and the saved the money to buy school clothes and such (we're white) we had no problem doing it, today's teenagers? Yeah not so much.

Remember in Napoleon Dynamite when he worked at that chicken ranch? EWWWWWWW!

"they even tried to force prisoners to harvest the crops and the farmers said they worked too slowly and complained a lot....."

Well duh! At $0.60 a day, I would complain a lot and work slow too. Even the illegals made more than that! Yup, that's what they make. And then, they take out of those wages to pay for other things. I once even had an inmate say that he preferred a magazine subscription to a cash payment, as they take too much out of his wages for other things.

Maint actually has a better idea... turn the welfare division into the 'Job Corps' and put everyone earning government benefits on a labor role. If a job is available, and they aren't working... perfect match. Of course, we'll have to make it part-time, to give a chance for those looking for work to actually find it.

Some working conditions were made illegal many years ago Alex. It has nothing to do with who is doing the work. The only thing illegal immigrants deserve is an opportunity to work long enough to buy their own ticket back to their own home. It's bad enough that people like you can't see the consequences of their being here, it's worse that you feel we need to improve their lives for them.

Dan, you seems irate because you claim that you lost your construction job to an illegal. You have nothing but contempt and anger for the illegal yet I hear nothing from you directed at the employer that canned you to hire that illegal for less. Open your eyes Dan and engage your brain. Who's fault is it that YOUR EMPLOYER canned you and hired a cheaper illegal? The illegal or your employer?

Farming tobacco was what BUILT this country, homes. :)

I wonder if you are one of the ones who complain about high prices in the produce asile? Bet you are.

Not me, crone. I'll pay whatever it takes to get those parasites out of this country. If I means that I have to give up my (infected!) cantaloupe, then I will. Now that I see what filth these critters live in, I am not surprised that the fruits are toxic. It all runs downhill, doesn't it? Tattoo something on their foreheads on the way out, and issue a shoot to kill command if they try to come back. Put the welfare sponges to work. Put the prisoners to work. Too bad if they are slow, and don't listen if they complain! There is a solution to this. The liberals need the voting block, so it will never stop unless we make it stop!

It's good to know how you feel. I guess we need a return to indentured servitude, or possibly even slavery. After all, we'd provide the slaves with food and housing. That make it fair, right?

Of course it wouldn't have to be good food or housing. After all, that would cut into profits.

WHOA! Reading through these comments and actually feeling the seething anger and hatred of many for their fellow man is nothing short of heartbreaking. You DO realize that these undocumented workers are ALLOWED to be here because both business and government are failing to follow the rule of law, don't you? You DO realize that the conditions these undocumented workers live in is squalor and their woefully lacking pay is tantamount to slavery, don't you? You DO realize that these people are here because they want to work so that they can subsist and do it in, at least, some measure of safety, don't you? You do realize that these undocumented workers are human beings, don't you? Don't hate the undocumented worker. . .hate the system that allows them to be victimized to such a degree and, consequently, keep your produce prices at a price you're willing to pay. If YOU, the individual, want to do something meaningful in order to send a message to both business and government that you're none too happy with the employment of undocumented workers in this country and/or with the fact that employers are allowed to pay them such paltry wages & provide so very little in the form of standard creature comforts, DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCE/PRODUCTS! And to those who say this problem persists under a Democratic POTUS, GET REAL! This has been going on for my entire lifetime which is now in excess of 50 years, and I do believe that slavery, which mimics this scenario all too closely, was practiced by our founding fathers. You know those slaves were undocumented too. They were branded like cattle, but I suppose at SOME point that was viewed as little too "extreme" and "inhumane." We are one TWISTED society when we blame the VICTIM who's being VICTIMIZED by the Big Business and Big Government bully. SICK, I TALL YA!

I think most of the people posting are aware of the business and government problems but this does not make the illegals any more welcome asknreceive. I have a problem with the word victim in it's use here. They knowingly entered this country illegally. If they don't like the consequences of their action that is their problem, it does not qualify them as victims. If I entered their country illegally and was not given the keys to their country I would not feel like a victim.

Why don't you spend some time traveling/living outside of the Good Ol' USA and get back to us with your first hand experiences. You've NO idea the conditions these victims have fled only to find themselves being treated like chattel in the one place they should be able to find some measure of comfort and acceptance. I'll call them victims because that's what they are, and people like you, Curt, can call them all the nasty names you can think of. I'm a human being first and foremost, and my fellow-man's pain and suffering is my concern. People like you need a good dose of humility by seeing and experiencing the very environments that make these people risk life and limb to reach our borders. I've been to such places through various volunteer efforts. You've NO idea how a heart can ache and break when you have to leave just ONE of them behind after you've done all you can do to help. Then there are the children who get inside your bones. Then again, I'm assuming you have a heart, which might be a bit presumptuous on my behalf. Go back to your Mercedes and tell it "On!" Meet Curt. . .Exhibit A of our ever-deepening moral and spiritual decline, folks. Sad. . .nothing BUT sad.

asknreceive

I have travelled all over the world. Some places were great and some not so much, so do not think that you can preach to all of us. The fact is these people are not victims or if they are they are the victims of their parents and their grand parents ignorance in bringing them into a world where they could not provide for them in the first place.

Do not read into my statement and think that I wish them dead or anything like that because then you would be deflecting from the real issue. The fact is every country has the right to defend their borders with laws and force if necessary to ensure the health and welfare of its legal residents.

Economically speaking we nor any other country need 11 million mostly un/under educated illegals leeching off of the legal residents while we have millions of our own in poverty.

These illegals are not a boon to the economy. If they were the producers of so much wealth don't you think their own countries would be trying to keep them there instead of pushing them on us?

If you feel you need to help these people, then why don't you load up and go to their countries, and work to make living, there, better so they won't have to look for a better place to live?

I have seen pain and suffering and death in many places but I do not feel the need to support these illegals nor would I ever put one of them before the welfare and needs of the legal residents of this country.

"doesn't want you; doesn't need you."

want? no....need? imagine paying for the services, things they produce , the labor they provide if the employers had to pay minimum wage?

your little plate of chicken wings with blue cheese dressing and celery would be very, very pricey indeed

i love how people like you blame the effect instead of the cause. get a clue. stop blaming the people willing to do the work and go after the people offering them jobs....oh wait, that would be scum like the Koch brothers, tyson, dole foods, philip morris, and on and on and on

lemme guess.....a teabagger

Give 'em a break. They're blinded by the darkness of Faux Noise.

Can you picture ANY teabagger out in the fields picking for 3.00 a day? I'd like a picture of that.

Take off the blinders Dexter-Morgan. ILLEGAL immigrants are costing you and me plenty. We may be getting a good deal on our bowls of salad, etc., but we're paying through the nose in other ways to support the ILLEGALS who harvest all those greens. California alone coughs up about $12 billion annually for them. So, I'm more than ready to pay the extra cost of salad greens harvested by AMERICAN CITIZENS being paid minimum wage or better for their work. That supports the economy of the US. Get those illegals the hell out of here. Meanwhile, severely punish companies who hire them. This illegal immigration is killing this country.

Hey teabag Jacqui

"Get those illegals the hell out of here. Meanwhile, severely punish companies who hire them."

you have it backwards....Go after the companies first and problem # two will solve it self...no jobs here and low wage workers dont come here...pretty simple, huh?

oh but you can't! because companies like the Koch brother bankroll your operations

very typical right wing argument of ALWAYS having it backwards...do f-tards ever get tired of being on the wrong side of every problem?

no go back to that plate of cheap buffalo wings and shut the F up until you have something even half way intelligent to say

OK then Dexter-Morgan, what's your solution to the problem? Or, do you have anything useful to propose? BTW, I detest political parties. I affiliate with none of them.

TeaPublican. . .no doubt!

TOTALLY AGREE! Thanks for such a succinct, honest opinion . . . helps to keep your head on straight when your heart goes out. But I agree with this, having experience a similar growing-up life in rural America.

Perfect! this strand wouldn't be complete with out the typical "I used to work in a store and blah blah blah" BS

Why not? You have a right to type what you want just because the person doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean you have to put the person down. I grew up dirt poor but didn't let myself stay that way. I worked long hours on the farm growing up without pay because it belonged to the family. We got up early and during harvest time went to bed really late. We might of worked in the field but we still had to take care of our house. Just because you are tired doesn't give you an excuse to live like an animal. I mean come on, how hard is it to empty a garbage can when it is full? I also think that the person saying that they aren't allowed to go to a store is full of it. You can see empty bottles of shampoo so they could of bought some lysol or something to clean the bathroom with. Just because you are living poor doesn't mean you have to live like a pig. clean up after yourself.

From looking at the pictures the worker need to clean after themself. If they do not like the condition then go back to your country which is worse than what you are living in now.

I can see the smoking tires now..WOW, a chance to be a slave, live on a concrete floor and pick fruit. All this for minimum wage. Not only that, but add in the job satisfaction that somewhere a much better off person does not need to get there hands dirty and the knowledge that you are saving some rich owner enough on labor to send all of his kids to the best schools while yours work beside you in the field. Yes indeed..the American dream..load the trucks kids..we're heading south.

In Los Angeles, we have 50,000 homeless people; a good number of whom spend their days sitting near freeway exit ramps begging for handouts. Do you suppose they are making close to minimum wage? I don't. So, why can't our government and businesses find a way to get these people off the street corners and into produtive endeavor? If we did that we could cut the flow of illegal immigration. It's just plain stupid to propose that unless a job pays a fantastic rate, it isn't wotyth having. Bull! People who think that way are either greedy or lazy and probably both. And, the businesses and politicians who support illegal immigration are betraying all US citizens.

Hey hampster, If your living conditions were like that would you sit around and whine or clean it up so you didn't have to live in filth. I'd clean it up just for my own peace of mind and comfort instead of livibng in filth and and wishing someone else would do it for me. No government housing project was build with broken windows and missing A/C units. The people trash it and then bitch cause no one else is cleaning up. Lazy worhless babies

Hey Dexterruez no government built any of the migrant's housing! Everything is the responsibility of the land owner! There are no rules regarding migrant housing or any other aspect of migrant workers. Usually it is the entire family working the fields for a pittance of a wage! Not unusual to see kids as young as six or seven working the fields. Not unusual to see migrants charged for staying in a ram shackled house! Not unusual for migrant workers to lack the most basic necessities of life. And as for the migrants fixing, repairing, or cleaning up; well after a 12 or 14 hour day in the fields rest is more important than cleaning up a ram shackled shed!

And as for the migrants fixing, repairing, or cleaning up; well after a 12 or 14 hour day in the fields rest is more important than cleaning up a ram shackled shed!

Then they reap what they sow and they get to deal with it.

Is there a reason you want to make sure everyone knows you're a white American? It is glaringly obvious that you are a white American by your horrific post. It's I am a white American, not I A WHITE American , and article is not spelled artical and teen-ager is one word, no hyphen in the middle. Definitely and American education.

I agree! This is a silent invasion. Not just from Latin countries, but from asian countries as well. These people are illegally invading our country, stressing our financial infrastructure and not willing to abide by the laws of this country. They think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter. I can't believe the workers let their living conditions get so bad. It is not the "landlord's" fault that they trash the bathrooms and choose to live this way.

The article never called them illegal. They are undocumented.

Illegal is when you are undocumented AND have committed a crime.

Undocumented is when you are here legally but ICE has lost, misfiled, mishandled, or simply hasn't gotten to your application in the time allotted to process it. Thes people have commited no crimes, not even illegal entry. ICE is backlogged on Mexican visa applications; in 2010, they were getting to visa petitions filed in 1994. See this article for the figures:

According to ICE's own rules, the undocumented are allowed to work supervised jobs with employers who withold taxes to pay for their own monitoring and checkins so these people are not here on your tax dollars.

However, they don't have requirements for living conditions for these workers who are treated no better than those undocmented who ARE sitting in ICE detention on your tax dollars. I wasin ICE detention for three years because they lost my adoption paper 18 years after I was adopted and decided to deport me as an undocumented immigrant; conditions described in this article are barely any worse than condtions in some of the ICE detention camps--look up Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch for what they say about ICE detenton. Us detainees are told to keep our living areas clean but if the camp guards don't give us supplies we have to unstop clogged toilets with our bare hands and there's no soap or towels either.

But whether in ICE detention or out of it, the immigration system needs reform and before that can happen the American public nees to understand there is a difference between 'illegal' and 'undocumented' and learn to have some compassion for those who are 'undocumented' through no fault of their own.

Maybe you should ask John Boehner about tobacco contributions...by the way, did he stop handing those tobacco lobby checks out on the House floor or does he do it in his smoke filled office now?

Fawn,

I worked at an American Legion. We rented the hall out to them on New Years or close by. They do not put their paper in the toilet at the Legion either. They totally trash the place. Who do they blame for that?

You obviously are not well travelled. In other countries, Mexico included, it is customary to put used toilet paper in the trash because the plumbing systems are prone to get plugged up. By the looks of these bathrooms that more than likely are not cleaned often, it would make sense that a clogged toilet would be an absolute nightmare. They would rather play it safe and put the paper in the trash than to risk plugging up a toilet and having them overflow. It that happened they probably would never get cleaned up by the owners.

But I don't see toliet paper in the trash I see it all over the floor. And shampoo bottles as well.